OldTimer1960 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea you are left with two 3Ts who won't get on the field a ton. Or a safety (I have Bullock here not Kichens but even after him there is a run of guys in that early 3rd round territory that could make sense - Hicks, Bishop, Taylor-Demerson). Or an edge who is more a base end than a pass rusher. Or a corner who might not be a starter in 2024 who you are drafting for 2025. Or a guard which I could live with but again question how much of a dial mover it is. I think #60 is a tough spot for the Bills. Much more so than #28. I have no problem with picks being made with an eye towards 2025. I know that the team will try to compete in 2024 while doing a roster reset, but I think it will be a bit of a down year. Now they are set up with first and 2 2nds next year to address any remaining holes that they can’t fill this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 BBB will know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 11 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Between 28 and 60 - the following WR's were selected: 30.) Baltimore: Troy Franklin - Oregon 33.) Carolina: Xavier Worthy - Texas 35.) Arizona: Xavier Legette - South Carolina 36.) Washington: Ladd McConkey - Georgia 43.) Atlanta: Keon Coleman - Florida State 46.) Indianapolis: Ricky Pearsall - Florida 48.) Jacksonville: Roman Wilson - Michigan 53.) Philadelphia: Malachi Corley - Western Kentucky 54.) Cleveland: Jermaine Burton - Alabama 58.) Green Bay: Ja'Lynn Polk - Washington This exercise has proven the idea that you can still get a good one at 60 is a dangerous game to play. Legette isn't sniffing 60. I don't care what the simulators are telling you. I think our mock may not be an accurate representation of the 2nd round league wide. My hypothesis is that as a fanbase/board we are overwhelmingly scouting and have the highest interest in the WR group. This bias is significant beyond what the League in general is prioritizing. Therefore, the results here are not indicative of what a true 2nd round will look like at the end of April. I may be wrong but that is my theory. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 9 minutes ago, CNYfan said: I think our mock may not be an accurate representation of the 2nd round league wide. My hypothesis is that as a fanbase/board we are overwhelmingly scouting and have the highest interest in the WR group. This bias is significant beyond what the League in general is prioritizing. Therefore, the results here are not indicative of what a true 2nd round will look like at the end of April. I may be wrong but that is my theory. I don’t know, those all look like solid values, to me. And not unlike what happened in 2022, when six WRs went top 18 and then eight more between 34-54… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 minute ago, mannc said: I don’t know, those all look like solid values, to me. And not unlike what happened in 2022, when six WRs went top 18 and then eight more between 34-54… I thought 13 was the record in the for the first 2 rounds, is it 14? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I thought 13 was the record in the for the first 2 rounds, is it 14? I may have miscounted…yep, it was 13 Edited April 6 by mannc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 minute ago, mannc said: I may have miscounted… Yea checked it is 13. That has happened twice. Most recently as you say 2022. When 6 went is Rd 1 and 7 in Rd 2. If a bookie would offer me a market on it I'd actually put money on more than 13 off the board by the end of the 2nd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea checked it is 13. That has happened twice. Most recently as you say 2022. When 6 went is Rd 1 and 7 in Rd 2. If a bookie would offer me a market on it I'd actually put money on more than 13 off the board by the end of the 2nd round. Me too. It’s a really deep class and teams are seeing how expensive WRs are on the open market now. It is now the premium position, other than QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 This list should be narrowed to the top 3 and everyone recast their votes whose guy is now out. P.S. ~ When you vote again, vote for Fiske Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 6 Author Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, H2o said: This list should be narrowed to the top 3 and everyone recast their votes whose guy is now out. P.S. ~ When you vote again, vote for Fiske Done poll is down to the top 3. If you voted for someone no longer listed please vote again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I just don’t see the point in either DT. Oliver has that spot locked up, we would want someone who can replace Jones eventually. This is a high pick on a backup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 12 minutes ago, Virgil said: I just don’t see the point in either DT. Oliver has that spot locked up, we would want someone who can replace Jones eventually. This is a high pick on a backup To me it’s two fold. It’s a case of BPA, and also it’s about getting after the QB. The only guy on the roster with any interior pass rush acumen is Oliver. It is one of the most expensive things to buy on the open market and interior pressure is the best way to beat Mahomes. Jenkins and Fiske potentially give you that. I like Kitchens, but I think you can find a safety later in the draft. I would have gone Walker or one of the DTs here. I’ll add some highlights as poll is starting to close: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: To me it’s two fold. It’s a case of BPA, and also it’s about getting after the QB. The only guy on the roster with any interior pass rush acumen is Oliver. It is one of the most expensive things to buy on the open market and interior pressure is the best way to beat Mahomes. Jenkins and Fiske potentially give you that. I like Kitchens, but I think you can find a safety later in the draft. I would have gone Walker or one of the DTs here. I’ll add some highlights as poll is starting to close: Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t McD not put them and Oliver on the field together? McD likes the big boy next to the rusher. So this player would back up Oliver, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Virgil said: Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t McD not put them and Oliver on the field together? McD likes the big boy next to the rusher. So this player would back up Oliver, no? Yes Jones and Oliver would still start. I think on run downs one of Fiske or Jenkins would be rotational with Ed, who had been around 60-70% of the overall snaps. On passing downs I would put Jenkins or Fiske on the field with Oliver and let them Hunt. So in my world this guy who would take the other 30% of run down snaps and also take all the pass rush snaps that went to guys like Phillips and Settle the last couple of years. My point is that this complimentary interior pass rush person does not exist on the roster at the moment. The value is there at this point in the draft. Edited April 6 by MrEpsYtown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yes Jones and Oliver would still start. I think on run downs one of Fiske or Jenkins would be rotational with Ed, who had been around 60-70% of the overall snaps. On passing downs I would put Jenkins or Fiske on the field with Oliver and let them Hunt. So in my world this guy who would take the other 30% of run down snaps and also take all the pass rush snaps that went to guys like Phillips and Settle the last couple of years. My point is that this complimentary interior pass rush person does not exist on the roster at the moment. The value is there at this point in the draft. That’s fair. I guess I just don’t believe that type of player should be a round 1-3 pick. I want this picks to be fully time starters by year two. While I like our roster, I don’t think we are in a place for a luxury pick, which is what that feels like to me. Granted; we can’t trade in this draft, but I’d trade back and get my starting G/C or Safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I went Jenkins. In the short he term can play behind Oliver at 3 tech in rotation. I think in a year or 2 in the scheme can play beside Oliver at 1 tech. I dont see that same versatility in Fiske. As a 3 tech Fiske has more potential but isnt Ed Oliver. Moving forward what is the plan at 1 tech. Jenkins would answer that question and be the 3rd guy in the rotation behind both players. Fiske imo would be more behind depth behind Oliver with Johnson and Williams behind Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Virgil said: That’s fair. I guess I just don’t believe that type of player should be a round 1-3 pick. I want this picks to be fully time starters by year two. While I like our roster, I don’t think we are in a place for a luxury pick, which is what that feels like to me. Granted; we can’t trade in this draft, but I’d trade back and get my starting G/C or Safety. I typically agree with this, but with the Bills they rotate guys so much that this extra high end DL is immensely important. Do I think they should rotate as much as they do? No. But they do and it’s McDermott’s philosophy and a pass rusher here is the value imo. We should be getting immediate starters early in the draft. There are zero high end cheap, young, defensive tackles or DL on the roster. I think they could draft more than 1. Edited April 6 by MrEpsYtown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 27 minutes ago, Virgil said: That’s fair. I guess I just don’t believe that type of player should be a round 1-3 pick. I want this picks to be fully time starters by year two. While I like our roster, I don’t think we are in a place for a luxury pick, which is what that feels like to me. Granted; we can’t trade in this draft, but I’d trade back and get my starting G/C or Safety. I see that path with Jenkins. Will play similar snaps to Jones and Oliver immediately. With Jones at 32 years old he would also be the replacement at 1 tech. Fiske would mainly be a rotational player for me because he would be behind Oliver. In a perfect world you sub Fiske in on passing downs but with tempo and modern football easier said than done imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Virgil said: I just don’t see the point in either DT. Oliver has that spot locked up, we would want someone who can replace Jones eventually. This is a high pick on a backup 100% where I’m at on it. Don’t want to waste a high draft pick on a guy that isn’t playing a majority of snaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I like Fiske and Jenkins... No question. But Fiske gives me a bigger KW vibe, and I think the Bills are going to love him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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