GunnerBill Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 4 hours ago, Virgil said: @GunnerBillI’d be curious to know what your grades are on some of these guys. Or anyone you think is missing? It looks a decent list (I'd actually missed that Lassiter was still there which means I had 13 Rd 2 grades left when I said I had 12). I think Christian Haynes, IOL, is the highest ranked guy I have who isn't on your list and TJ Tampa at corner is probably the other one I'm slightly surprised not to see. At running back Benson and Wright are my RBs 2 and 3 after Brooks who has gone. Corum and Lynch are then 4 and 5 for me. And we know Benson has been in for a visit so he might be a name worth adding if not too late! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: In the real draft, not all of those WR's will be gone before we pick at 60. There is a lot of positions that may not see any activity in round 1 or very little that come into play in round 2 like LB, S, and RB to go along with a plethora of the second tier guys on DL, CB, and OL. This is rich and deep draft at WR, teams are not going to feel the pressure to press for one and more teams will take another position than people think that is going to see more fall off than WR will. Totally get people are split on where Legette will go. And I am in the camp that thinks Legette is a 2nd rounder, but probably 2nd half of the 2nd round. Doesn't mean he makes it to 60, but I do think he would be in a trade up range that isn't too expensive if Beane went another direction in the first and looked to make a move up in the 2nd. To be clear, I much prefer getting a WR somewhere in the first and not waiting too. Only discussing since we know its possible we don't get a WR in the first. I don't think it is completely beyond comprehension that 15 WRs are gone before #60. 13 in the first two rounds is the record. I think that record goes this year. Whether it is exactly that list is a fairer question. I disagree with you on Legette I think he is gone by #45 or so. But there are 2 or 3 in that list that could go later. But also 2 or 3 who haven't gone here who could go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 36 minutes ago, mrags said: I feel like this is a shame. People voting for Jenkins because they’ve heard the name because of his father. the guys undersized and not even remotely what we need at DT. Both he and Fiske are between 295-300lbs, but Fiske is the better option as a rotational 3-tech imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) I have voted Lassiter. I actually thought he'd gone. He is the best player left on the board IMO and I think the Bills corner situation is less settled than others. Douglas will be gone after 2024, I am out on Elam ever translating to our scheme. So when a corner is sticking out on the board like Lassiter is here he has to be the pick IMO. I'd go Fiske over Jenkins as my 2nd choice. Think he is a better fit for what we do. So if this becomes a 2 horse race later he is where I will re-allocate my vote. I'm lower than most on Kinchens. I think he is a sub par athlete to spend a 2nd round pick on. Bullock from USC is my next best at safety, but Lassiter, Fiske and Jenkins are all above him on my board anyway so I'd not be considering him in this scenario. Edited April 6 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 It's early for him, but if Beane doesn't have a third, I am thinking about Cole Bishop Utah S. I wanted Bullard, but some traitor GM took him right before us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) Fiske is the highest rated player on my board remaining. I love Lassiter, but I don't think CB is a position of need this early in the draft with Benford and Douglas as the starters and my belief that management still has hopes for Elam. Drafting Lassiter here would be a statement that Elam was a wasted draft pick. There are also good corners to be had later in the draft. I also like Trice, Kneeland and Bullock here, but safety would be best in the 3rd if Beane can find us a pick there. Edited April 6 by GASabresIUFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I have voted Lassiter. I actually thought he'd gone. He is the best player left on the board IMO and I think the Bills corner situation is less settled than others. Douglas will be gone after 2024, I am out on Elam ever translating to our scheme. So when a corner is sticking out on the board like Lassiter is here he has to be the pick IMO. I'd go Fiske over Jenkins as my 2nd choice. Think he is a better fit for what we do. So if this becomes a 2 horse race later he is where I will re-allocate my vote. I'm lower than most on Kinchens. I think he is a sub par athlete to spend a 2nd round pick on. Bullock from USC is my next best at safety, but Lassiter, Fiske and Jenkins are all above him on my board anyway so I'd not be considering him in this scenario. Do you think he could/would/should be a starter in 2024? Over who? I think it is really an interesting team building question if you think he wouldn't start in 24. Then it is either slightly better CB who sits in 24 and can possibly start 25-27 or a DT who could play ~40% snaps in 24 and maybe 50-65% in 25-27. I am not sure I have an answer in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 22 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Do you think he could/would/should be a starter in 2024? Over who? I think it is really an interesting team building question if you think he wouldn't start in 24. Then it is either slightly better CB who sits in 24 and can possibly start 25-27 or a DT who could play ~40% snaps in 24 and maybe 50-65% in 25-27. I am not sure I have an answer in this case. I think he would certainly compete to start in 24. I am not as high on Douglas as a lot of people. But even if he doesn't ultimately win a job in 24 he is sufficiently clear by my grading that I would just take him. When you have a talented guy sticking out who plays a premium position you select them and work it out later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 6 Author Share Posted April 6 Poll has been pared down. Ill do my next cut down around 830am. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 9 hours ago, TOboy said: Kinchens was tempting but I voted Fiske. He has the potential to be a long term contributor on the line. Kinchens was last among Safeties at the combine with a 4.65 40 and last with a 35” vertical. In comparison DE Chop Robinson ran 4.49. That doesn’t necessarily mean Kinchens can’t play, but it is a pretty big concern. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I have voted Lassiter. I actually thought he'd gone. He is the best player left on the board IMO and I think the Bills corner situation is less settled than others. Douglas will be gone after 2024, I am out on Elam ever translating to our scheme. So when a corner is sticking out on the board like Lassiter is here he has to be the pick IMO. I'd go Fiske over Jenkins as my 2nd choice. Think he is a better fit for what we do. So if this becomes a 2 horse race later he is where I will re-allocate my vote. I'm lower than most on Kinchens. I think he is a sub par athlete to spend a 2nd round pick on. Bullock from USC is my next best at safety, but Lassiter, Fiske and Jenkins are all above him on my board anyway so I'd not be considering him in this scenario. Do you think Lassiter is fast enough to play outside corner or is he mainly a nickel/slot? Didn’t he run > 4.6 at his pro day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 8 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Do you think Lassiter is fast enough to play outside corner or is he mainly a nickel/slot? Didn’t he run > 4.6 at his pro day? Yea he didn't run well. I think he is a zone guy only. He could play outside IMO. But agree he also projects well inside because his agility measurements were excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 19 minutes ago, section122 said: Poll has been pared down. I’lldo my next cut down around 830am. I’m hoping to get to 100 votes, but Saturdays are weird. Let’s see where we are at noon and make a judgement call. The poll opened late and it’s a close one. No need to rush. We are on a good pace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Jenkins is probably the value but I went Kinchens here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Are any of these DTs a potential Jones replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea he didn't run well. I think he is a zone guy only. He could play outside IMO. But agree he also projects well inside because his agility measurements were excellent. Agree, what I’ve seen of him showed outstanding quickness and he seems quite willing to play the run for his size. He could be a nice get that late (60). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 6 Author Share Posted April 6 33 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m hoping to get to 100 votes, but Saturdays are weird. Let’s see where we are at noon and make a judgement call. The poll opened late and it’s a close one. No need to rush. We are on a good pace Sounds good I removed the people with only a couple of votes and changed the end time. I'll leave it alone for a while now and see if a group separates. 16 minutes ago, Virgil said: Are any of these DTs a potential Jones replacement? Both guys project more as a 3t. They both weigh in a little under 300 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) This is why I love these mock draft threads. People take their roles seriously and understand the team needs of the teams that they are drafting for. It also has a bit of a butterfly effect. This is a nightmare scenario for the Bills IMO. Clearly it’s possible that many WRs go. They just did. Certain dominos dictated that. This is why they can’t wait until 60 for one. That’s not an option. They probably go with one of the DTs here but that’s not impact for this roster, imo. That’s just where the value is with where there’s a long term need. I’d prefer a 1-T if that’s the route but the board didn’t fall that way. The Bills current needs as I see them: - WR1 - WR2 - Edge - S - CB - DT - power back - LB - Edge - WR/CB with return ability Edited April 6 by Kirby Jackson 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 7 hours ago, NickelCity said: Legette, McConkey, Wilson, Pearsall. Outside of the "big three" receivers, these guys keep standing out to me. Legette and Pearsall would be an awesome double dip, but no part of me thinks Beane will draft two receivers back to back. I’m really warming up to the idea of Ladd Mc at 28 - if we were stay there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is why I love these mock draft threads. People take their roles seriously and understand the team needs of the teams that they are drafting for. It also has a bit of a butterfly effect. This is a nightmare scenario for the Bills IMO. Clearly it’s possible that many WRs go. They just did. Certain dominos dictated that. This is why they can’t wait until 60 for one. That’s not an option. They probably go with one of the DTs here but that’s not impact for this roster, imo. That’s just where the value is with where there’s a long term need. I’d prefer a 1-T if that’s the route but the board didn’t fall that way. Yea you are left with two 3Ts who won't get on the field a ton. Or a safety (I have Bullock here not Kichens but even after him there is a run of guys in that early 3rd round territory that could make sense - Hicks, Bishop, Taylor-Demerson). Or an edge who is more a base end than a pass rusher. Or a corner who might not be a starter in 2024 who you are drafting for 2025. Or a guard which I could live with but again question how much of a dial mover it is. I think #60 is a tough spot for the Bills. Much more so than #28. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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