Rashee Rice charged in connection to accident - Now being investigated for assault

[Warriorspikes51]

12 hours ago, The Wiz said:

So from what I heard today on the radio, he's gonna skate again for another season and the longer it goes on, the less he is going to serve in terms of suspension.

J O K E 

[T master]

So ! If Hoecht & Ogunjobi got 6 games for PED's and Hoecht's reason was because the person he hired to keep him up on these types of things gave him the wrong stuff and technically was no fault of his own only that he is the one ultimately responsible then that should mean Rice should be suspended for what 10 games to 1 full season because of the 2 crimes he committed right ?

 

That would only seem fair to me .

[H2o]

2 hours ago, T master said:

So ! If Hoecht & Ogunjobi got 6 games for PED's and Hoecht's reason was because the person he hired to keep him up on these types of things gave him the wrong stuff and technically was no fault of his own only that he is the one ultimately responsible then that should mean Rice should be suspended for what 10 games to 1 full season because of the 2 crimes he committed right ?

 

That would only seem fair to me .

What seems fair to you, and what the franchise that has sold it's collective souls to Satan receives for player punishments are two completely different things entirely. 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, T master said:

Hoecht's reason was because the person he hired to keep him up on these types of things gave him the wrong stuff and technically was no fault of his own only that he is the one ultimately responsible

 

You are aware that's what literally everyone who gets popped for PED's says, right? It wasn't Ogunjobi's fault either supposedly. If they took everyone at their word that it wasn't their fault, no one would be suspended for PED's and the league would be full of Schwarzenegger looking dudes.

 

With how strict the NFL Testing of today is, if a player puts something in their body without knowing literally everything that's in it or blindly takes something at the suggestion of another person that isn't a team doctor - they're either a.) pretty dumb or b.) flat out trying to skirt the system.

Edited yesterday at 12:29 AM by BillsFanForever19

[T master]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You are aware that's what literally everyone who gets popped for PED's says, right? It wasn't Ogunjobi's fault either supposedly. If they took everyone at their word that it wasn't their fault, no one would be suspended for PED's and the league would be full of Schwarzenegger looking dudes.

 

With how strict the NFL Testing of today is, if a player puts something in their body without knowing literally everything that's in it or blindly takes something at the suggestion of another person that isn't a team doctor - they're either a.) pretty dumb or b.) flat out trying to skirt the system.

 

BUT !!! If your paying a person to monitor those types of things for you and in typical modern day form they are to lazy to do their job the way they are suppose to then what . I know a lot of people that have personal trainers that are suppose to know their job because that is their profession and if hired to do that job then do your dam job !!! 

 

Use to be if they didn't do their job the way they are suppose to they were immediately fired, but in this case if it was me and the amount of game checks this guy will be missing out on would deserve a discreet but thorough ass whooping from a guy in a ally with a mask on !! Just saying ...

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

BUT !!! If your paying a person to monitor those types of things for you and in typical modern day form they are to lazy to do their job the way they are suppose to then what . I know a lot of people that have personal trainers that are suppose to know their job because that is their profession and if hired to do that job then do your dam job !!! 

 

Use to be if they didn't do their job the way they are suppose to they were immediately fired, but in this case if it was me and the amount of game checks this guy will be missing out on would deserve a discreet but thorough ass whooping from a guy in a ally with a mask on !! Just saying ...

 

This is again assuming he's telling the truth. Again, *every* single person who gets busted for PED's has a similar story. Bc of that, no one really gets the benefit of the doubt. 

 

Even if he is telling the truth, he's just as much to blame. You know that there's a laundry list of things that will get you suspended. You shouldn't put any foreign substance in your body, supplement or not, without knowing every ingredient that's in it. Simply trusting someone else, an employee, a friend, whomever - and not looking into it yourself is DUMB! 

 

I can't roll my eyes harder at the "oh it wasn't my fault, it was my trainers fault". You're a grown ass adult. A Professional Football player. In a league where you're being regularly tested. And you're just blindly ingesting things? 

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

You are aware that's what literally everyone who gets popped for PED's says, right? It wasn't Ogunjobi's fault either supposedly. If they took everyone at their word that it wasn't their fault, no one would be suspended for PED's and the league would be full of Schwarzenegger looking dudes.

 

This is a funny line.

 

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, T master said:

 

BUT !!! If your paying a person to monitor those types of things for you and in typical modern day form they are to lazy to do their job the way they are suppose to then what . I know a lot of people that have personal trainers that are suppose to know their job because that is their profession and if hired to do that job then do your dam job !!! 

 

Use to be if they didn't do their job the way they are suppose to they were immediately fired, but in this case if it was me and the amount of game checks this guy will be missing out on would deserve a discreet but thorough ass whooping from a guy in a ally with a mask on !! Just saying ...

 

Not knowing what a PRIVATE trainer is putting in your own body is an absolutely INSANE claim for a professional athlete to make. Maybe 30 years ago that could hold water. 

 

Then again, didn't Ohtani make this same scapegoat scenario work for him? Even with some super bizarre/contradictory messaging out there initially. 

[Doc]

15 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

You are aware that's what literally everyone who gets popped for PED's says, right? It wasn't Ogunjobi's fault either supposedly. If they took everyone at their word that it wasn't their fault, no one would be suspended for PED's and the league would be full of Schwarzenegger looking dudes.

 

With how strict the NFL Testing of today is, if a player puts something in their body without knowing literally everything that's in it or blindly takes something at the suggestion of another person that isn't a team doctor - they're either a.) pretty dumb or b.) flat out trying to skirt the system.

 

The difference is that the Bills could have called it off with Hoecht and Ogunjobi after learning they were going to be suspended.  One would hope/think that they investigated and discovered they were telling the truth. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

The difference is that the Bills could have called it off with Hoecht and Ogunjobi after learning they were going to be suspended.  One would hope/think that they investigated and discovered they were telling the truth. 

 

Hoecht I'd have made the same decision they did. They are signing him for 3 years. 6 games is a small chunk of that. But Ogunjobi I'd have called off personally.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

Hoecht I'd have made the same decision they did. They are signing him for 3 years. 6 games is a small chunk of that. But Ogunjobi I'd have called off personally.

 

My concern would be that the PEDs aided his play.  In which case I'd have called-it-off if I didn't believe his story after investigating.  As for Ogunjobi, I'd have offered a much smaller contract.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, T master said:

 

BUT !!! If your paying a person to monitor those types of things for you and in typical modern day form they are to lazy to do their job the way they are suppose to then what . I know a lot of people that have personal trainers that are suppose to know their job because that is their profession and if hired to do that job then do your dam job !!! 

 

Use to be if they didn't do their job the way they are suppose to they were immediately fired, but in this case if it was me and the amount of game checks this guy will be missing out on would deserve a discreet but thorough ass whooping from a guy in a ally with a mask on !! Just saying ...

 

no player pays a guy to inject with substances of unknown composition.  everyday player who has ever claimed this has lied

 

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The difference is that the Bills could have called it off with Hoecht and Ogunjobi after learning they were going to be suspended.  One would hope/think that they investigated and discovered they were telling the truth. 

 

The Bills didn't care about signing juicers.  why would they?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

The Bills didn't care about signing juicers.  why would they?

 

No team cares if their players juice.  They just care if they get caught/suspended.  I suppose the Bills didn't care here and felt they could weather these 2 missing the first 6 games but have them for the remaining 11+ and it would still be a win.  Now all that's left is to see how they produce.

Edited 9 hours ago by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No team cares if their players juice.  They just care if they get caught/suspended.  I suppose the Bills didn't care here and felt they could weather these 2 missing the first 6 games but have them for the remaining 11+ and it would still be a win.  Now all that's left is to see how they produce.

How is it “still a win” if you’re not sure if they will produce

[BillsFanForever19]

8 hours ago, Doc said:

One would hope/think that they investigated and discovered they were telling the truth. 

 

Short of hopping in a time machine and watching each supplement he took into his body and the circumstances surrounding it - how would they discover that? You think a "trainer" that is being paid by Hoecht wouldn't lie for them and say "oh yeah, that was my mistake. There was something in it that I didn't know was on the list"? 

 

Ultimately, it really doesn't matter if they knowingly or unknowingly took a banned substance. The perception is the same and the punishment is the same. I just think it's ridiculous to not question whether he or Ogunjobi are telling the truth when literally everyone who gets popped has the same song and dance explanation. And especially to imply as the poster who I initially replied to did that Rice's punishment should be based on Hoecht's suspension while assuming their innocence.

Edited 4 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[BillsFanForever19]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Hoecht I'd have made the same decision they did. They are signing him for 3 years. 6 games is a small chunk of that. But Ogunjobi I'd have called off personally.

 

Even if I decided that 11 games plus the Playoffs was worth keeping him, I would have lowered his guarantees to a level in which I could easily move on depending on how the Draft fell and what may become available after the Draft.

 

It's one thing to decide to go ahead with the deal. It's another to go ahead with a 1 yr/6.69m deal and guarantee 5.42m of it. That's the real head scratcher to me.

Edited 4 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[3rdand12]

16 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

This is again assuming he's telling the truth. Again, *every* single person who gets busted for PED's has a similar story. Bc of that, no one really gets the benefit of the doubt. 

 

Even if he is telling the truth, he's just as much to blame. You know that there's a laundry list of things that will get you suspended. You shouldn't put any foreign substance in your body, supplement or not, without knowing every ingredient that's in it. Simply trusting someone else, an employee, a friend, whomever - and not looking into it yourself is DUMB! 

 

I can't roll my eyes harder at the "oh it wasn't my fault, it was my trainers fault". You're a grown ass adult. A Professional Football player. In a league where you're being regularly tested. And you're just blindly ingesting things? 

Own it.

 simple as that

 If his trainer failed , it's still on the one who hired said miscreant

8 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The difference is that the Bills could have called it off with Hoecht and Ogunjobi after learning they were going to be suspended.  One would hope/think that they investigated and discovered they were telling the truth. 

Did they both fire the trainers ?

 that would add some meat the the defense I suppose ?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

How is it “still a win” if you’re not sure if they will produce

LOL!  Doesn’t matter what I’m sure of. The Bills knew they were going to get suspended and still signed them so I’m sure they believe they will produce.  Now we just have to wait to see if that proves to be true. 

 

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Short of hopping in a time machine and watching each supplement he took into his body and the circumstances surrounding it - how would they discover that? You think a "trainer" that is being paid by Hoecht wouldn't lie for them and say "oh yeah, that was my mistake. There was something in it that I didn't know was on the list"? 

 

Ultimately, it really doesn't matter if they knowingly or unknowingly took a banned substance. The perception is the same and the punishment is the same. I just think it's ridiculous to not question whether he or Ogunjobi are telling the truth when literally everyone who gets popped has the same song and dance explanation. And especially to imply as the poster who I initially replied to did that Rice's punishment should be based on Hoecht's suspension while assuming their innocence.

True it doesn’t matter as far as the league is concerned because players are ultimately responsible for what they put in their bodies. And again, as I said, regardless of how it happened, the Bills may feel that getting 11+ games out of them is worth it. I don’t know.

[BillsFanForever19]

Just now, Doc said:

True it doesn’t matter as far as the league is concerned because players are ultimately responsible for what they put in their bodies. And again, as I said, regardless of how it happened, the Bills may feel that getting 11+ games out of them is worth it. I don’t know.

 

Like Gunner said, Hoecht was signed to a 3 year deal. Is the suspension annoying? Yeah. But that's just 6 games out of 3 full seasons under contract. I would have still signed him. Ogunjobi though on a 1 year deal? That's a different story.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Like Gunner said, Hoecht was signed to a 3 year deal. Is the suspension annoying? Yeah. But that's just 6 games out of 3 full seasons under contract. I would have still signed him. Ogunjobi though on a 1 year deal? That's a different story.

I get that. As I said to GB, I would’ve offered Ogunjobi less money.  But the deal is done.