PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[major]

8 hours ago, Mr Info said:

You are correct. My rep sent me a copy of the 27 page PSL agreement to review before deciding whether to purchase. Included were payment terms, licensee benefits & obligations, non payment of season tickets, etc.

 

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[CodeMonkey]

22 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

A little dramatic.  Every business is affected by their bottom line.

 

So anyone who buys a PSL is getting blindly and stupidly raped?   
 

You have your right and opinion to not like it and also not go.  But since the NFL continues to grow and this is supply meets demand again…and the NFL has no reason to change.

 

I am not going to like paying more but I understand it is what it is.  I bring my son up there every year and this won’t stop me from doing it.  Plane tickets, hotels and game tickets are expensive for me but I will continue to do it because its worth it to me.

 

If its too financially hard on you, it sucks, I really do feel bad for you but this the result of something that is the biggest sport in the world revenue wise.  
 

 

Agree about the bolded 100%.  It's great that you can afford it, and that you and your son enjoy the experience enough to take the price increase in stride. It's not financially hard on me. Like you I could afford it as well.  But the experience for me is not worth anywhere near the cost of the day at the Ralph.  We stopped going in person several years ago.  Now for the 1pm starts I record the game, and I have software that skips the commercials automatically on playback. So my family spends Sunday afternoons doing what we like, then we get pizza and all meet up to watch the game in 90 minutes or so while eating dinner. 

 

What I feel bad about are the fans that have managed to afford seasons for their families for years, now needing to find or get a loan for a pretty large lump sum payment that does nothing but help finance the Biils new stadium rather than the NFL, which as you say is the "biggest  sport in the world revenue wise" (it's actually 2nd behind soccer, but close), financing it.   That just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.      

[GottaRun]

55 minutes ago, mrags said:

Huh? This is exactly why they are doing it the way they’re doing it. They are going section by section. If that family had seats in the cheapest section of the stadium, they will get an opportunity to buy tickets in a similar section of the new stadium. 
 

you do know that the new stadium will have as many seats as there are season ticket holders in the current stadium now right? 

If it was just a pure ticket purchase I could agree with you.
If the PSL was the same price throughout the stadium I could agree with you.

 

With the very limited info we have to go on it sounds like PSL prices are far, far, far higher for those of us who sit lower level near the middle of the field.  So as a longtime season ticket holder I might end up being punished as I can't afford a PSL in the area the Bills expect me to sit in.  

 

It's a logical move by the Bills in the sense of making sure they sell the expensive seats, but it's a bs move in the sense that I could move to a cheaper seat any of the last 21 years I've had tickets and no one would have batted an eye.  Now all of a sudden I'm tied to my area ... or maybe I'm not.  For sure I'm left guessing as the Bills aren't releasing info.

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Lol yes Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are “good people” now, right… back to 🏈…

 

Yes, I would recommend that too. 

 

I guess giving away BILLIONS of dollars does not get you forgiven for having billions of dollars….in your mind at least.  I don’t get the hate for people you have never been in a room with. Being successful and wealthy does not make you evil, despite what you might think.  It sounds angry and jealous, tbh. 

 

Do you hate everyone, or just billionaires. Where do you draw the line? How do you feel about your neighbors? You've probably met them. (This is the flip side of an argument made earlier, fyi.  😊) 

 

OK, let’s just draft somebody already………

 

[major]

[QCity]

8 minutes ago, GottaRun said:

With the very limited info we have to go on it sounds like PSL prices are far, far, far higher for those of us who sit lower level near the middle of the field.  So as a longtime season ticket holder I might end up being punished as I can't afford a PSL in the area the Bills expect me to sit in.  

 

 

Yeah those STH's are probably going to feel the most sticker shock, as it looks like they converted that area into Field Club seating.

[Augie]

14 minutes ago, GottaRun said:

If it was just a pure ticket purchase I could agree with you.
If the PSL was the same price throughout the stadium I could agree with you.

 

With the very limited info we have to go on it sounds like PSL prices are far, far, far higher for those of us who sit lower level near the middle of the field.  So as a longtime season ticket holder I might end up being punished as I can't afford a PSL in the area the Bills expect me to sit in.  

 

It's a logical move by the Bills in the sense of making sure they sell the expensive seats, but it's a bs move in the sense that I could move to a cheaper seat any of the last 21 years I've had tickets and no one would have batted an eye.  Now all of a sudden I'm tied to my area ... or maybe I'm not.  For sure I'm left guessing as the Bills aren't releasing info.

 

These are the stories I was fearing, but knew were inevitable. It’s not even “simply” the extra cost right now, you get to marinate in a dark sense of unknown before they ever show you the sticker. Nobody likes the unknown.

 

I get it. Good luck to all of you. 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

Nobody likes the unknown.

This is the #1 mistake the Bills have made.

Treating this like a timeshare sale, rather than simply releasing the pricing for the entire stadium, is amateur hour.

[papazoid]

8 hours ago, Mr Info said:

You are correct. My rep sent me a copy of the 27 page PSL agreement to review before deciding whether to purchase. Included were payment terms, licensee benefits & obligations, non payment of season tickets, etc.

 

can you post it in a pdf file ?..ty

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

This is the #1 mistake the Bills have made.

Treating this like a timeshare sale, rather than simply releasing the pricing for the entire stadium, is amateur hour.

 

I have no argument since I have zero exposure to the process, but from what I’m reading there are serious flaws. How much was predicted vs what we are experiencing? That is the kind of thing I’d like to know, right behind a look at the draft board!!!  

 

 

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Edited April 1 by Augie

[mrags]

25 minutes ago, GottaRun said:

If it was just a pure ticket purchase I could agree with you.
If the PSL was the same price throughout the stadium I could agree with you.

 

With the very limited info we have to go on it sounds like PSL prices are far, far, far higher for those of us who sit lower level near the middle of the field.  So as a longtime season ticket holder I might end up being punished as I can't afford a PSL in the area the Bills expect me to sit in.  

 

It's a logical move by the Bills in the sense of making sure they sell the expensive seats, but it's a bs move in the sense that I could move to a cheaper seat any of the last 21 years I've had tickets and no one would have batted an eye.  Now all of a sudden I'm tied to my area ... or maybe I'm not.  For sure I'm left guessing as the Bills aren't releasing info.

Well. With this argument I agree with a bit. Because I’m not sure anyone expected lower bowl mid field tix would be considered club level seats with the highest PSLs in the stadium. I can tell you I didn’t think it would be the case. I did however foresee that club members would be given first crack at the tickets based on how they rolled out the opportunity to buy tickets to that “home game” in Atlanta if we would have beat the Bengals 2 seasons ago. So I upgraded at that time and moved into the club levels. Had I known things would be rolled out the way they are I wouldn’t have done it. I would have kept my end zones seats where I’m sore I was in the upper 25% of seniority. And I would have had availability to covered and heated end zone seats (based on the renderings and the survey, there will be) in the back rows of the end zones in the 100-300 levels. 
 

so if you are one of the few people with 40 yard line to 40 yard line, mid field, and you got pushed out a bit because the clubs took over those locations then I feel bad for you. Anyone else however at this time can just shut up because they haven’t even gotten to those sections of the stadium yet and there’s no way to tell if you’re getting screwed or not. For all you know if you’re in the back rows of the 100s, maybe you end up in the first few rows of the 200s and have significantly better seats. And until they provide any information on seat pricing or PSL pricing, all we can do is speculate and it’s not doing anyone any good besides getting the masses all riled up. 

[GottaRun]

36 minutes ago, mrags said:

... so if you are one of the few people with 40 yard line to 40 yard line, mid field, and you got pushed out a bit ...

And here's where you might be missing the point... or I might be... but here's where the Bills are in real danger of screwing this up.  Are we getting pushed out a bit, or are we being moved to the back of the line?  This shouldn't even be an area of concern for the STH, the policy should be established and it should be public.

Edited April 1 by GottaRun

[Mr Info]

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

 

can you post it in a pdf file ?..ty

Tried and it’s too large. Shrinking it reduces the ability to read it.

[mrags]

50 minutes ago, GottaRun said:

And here's where you might be missing the point... or I might be... but here's where the Bills are in real danger of screwing this up.  Are we getting pushed out a bit, or are we being moved to the back of the line?  This shouldn't even be an area of concern for the STH, the policy should be established and it should be public.

Well. It isn’t public and that’s probably for fear of a riot or massive amounts of people cancelling before they even get a chance to view the experience. 
 

If you are mid field 100 level. My guess, is that you will be first to pick your tickets in the experience as soon as the club members are done picking their seats. And they will work their way from midfield to end zone on each level. So instead of an option for midfield you might be 10-25 yard line in the 100s or maybe move up to 2-500 levels with other options. It seems there’s going to be less box suites, more club seats, a little less 100 level seats, more 400-500 level seats. I personally think most of the 200 and 300s will end up being club seat options. 

[Punching Bag]

12 minutes ago, Mr Info said:

Tried and it’s too large. Shrinking it reduces the ability to read it.

 

Sent you message to get around issue.  I and a number of people have used it.

[junior]

4 minutes ago, Punching Bag said:

 

Sent you message to get around issue.  I and a number of people have used it.

I'd also really like to see this. I have seasons on the 50 and am dreading finding out what my PSLs will cost.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, CodeMonkey said:

 

Agree about the bolded 100%.  It's great that you can afford it, and that you and your son enjoy the experience enough to take the price increase in stride. It's not financially hard on me. Like you I could afford it as well.  But the experience for me is not worth anywhere near the cost of the day at the Ralph.  We stopped going in person several years ago.  Now for the 1pm starts I record the game, and I have software that skips the commercials automatically on playback. So my family spends Sunday afternoons doing what we like, then we get pizza and all meet up to watch the game in 90 minutes or so while eating dinner. 

 

What I feel bad about are the fans that have managed to afford seasons for their families for years, now needing to find or get a loan for a pretty large lump sum payment that does nothing but help finance the Biils new stadium rather than the NFL, which as you say is the "biggest  sport in the world revenue wise" (it's actually 2nd behind soccer, but close), financing it.   That just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.      

Agreed.

 

When I said #1, I meant one league in a single country.  FIFA is in over 200 nations and 700 Leagues and yet the NFL is right behind them in total revenue….pretty wild.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Yes, I would recommend that too. 

 

I guess giving away BILLIONS of dollars does not get you forgiven for having billions of dollars….in your mind at least.  I don’t get the hate for people you have never been in a room with. Being successful and wealthy does not make you evil, despite what you might think.  It sounds angry and jealous, tbh. 

 

Do you hate everyone, or just billionaires. Where do you draw the line? How do you feel about your neighbors? You've probably met them. (This is the flip side of an argument made earlier, fyi.  😊) 

 

OK, let’s just draft somebody already………

 

If I was looking for a bunch of passive aggressive nonsense, I’d talk to my wife.

 

No, Philanthropy while living in continued opulence is not enough. While we continue to live on a planet with ever growing food scarcity and lack of access to clean safe drinking water for a disproportionate amount of people, millions of CHILDREN, then I will never condone the disgustingly excessive lifestyle of billionaires. 
 
Yes, children dying of starvation makes me angry.
Yes people not having access to the most basic of healthcare makes me angry.

Yes knowing none of this HAS to be this way, makes me angry.

And yes, I am jealous of those who have the means to make a real difference but don’t.

Mega yachts, private jets, private islands, buying social media platforms because you don’t like the narrative while 700+million globally (twice the population of the entire United States), live in abject poverty, and you take advantage of that fact by mining cheap lithium, or using the cheap labor to make all your “Basic” goods. Or maybe like our own Terry Pegs, fracking the planet and destroying ecosystems to make your mint, take your pick, it’s all gross.

Would it appeal to your sensitives if I just said the overwhelming majority of the ultra rich are garbage people? Because really it seems like you got hung up on the semantics of a generalization. 
 

I’m sorry, MOST billionaires are proper shite, better?

 

[Einstein]

31 minutes ago, mrags said:

Well. It isn’t public and that’s probably for fear of a riot or massive amounts of people cancelling before they even get a chance to view the experience. 
 

This circles back to missteps in PR strategy by the Bills management regarding the new stadium.

 

The team's decision to keep the stadium's drawings, virtual reality walkthroughs, and detailed plans under wraps, opting instead for presenting them through timeshare-like meetings in a nondescript location in Williamsville, far from the stadium, effectively deflated any excitement that could have been generated. A better approach would have harnessed the initial enthusiasm with a community-focused event designed to amplify stadium anticipation.

For instance, a strategic move could have involved:

1) Hosting a grand unveiling event open to the media, season ticket holders, and fans, ideally timed around the NFL draft. This would allow fans to experience the draft in a unique way, intertwined with the excitement of the stadium reveal. Featuring appearances by Bills legends from various eras, such as Josh Allen, Jim Kelly, Fred Jackson, and Kyle Williams, alongside performances by bands, offering 50/50raffles, and giveaways, etc, to enrich the experience.

 

2) Broadcast the event both online and in-person to display the stadium’s architecture, amenities, and technological features through detailed presentations, testimonials from the designers, endorsements by players, and exclusive behind-the-scenes content.

 

3) Gifting attendees miniature replicas of the stadium upon departure, akin to the distribution of bobbleheads. This would leave a lasting, tangible memory of the event.

 

4) I would have avoided  any discussion of pricing at the event to focus purely on building excitement and allowing guests to marvel at the stadium’s offerings without the immediate concern of cost. Such an event would far surpass the current approach of individual appointments in a locale far removed from the stadium.

This concept would undoubtedly generate buzz—in workplaces, online, and during family gatherings like Easter, which would have laid the groundwork for widespread anticipation.

 

After allowing the excitement to reach its peak over a few weeks, the team could then introduce the pricing details. And yes, this idea of mine is completely off the cuff and likely has a few holes. That's how all good ideas start. You come up with something then you refine it, fix it, and make it great.

But as it stands, the current strategy has arguably been the least effective approach possible.

 

Edited April 1 by Einstein

[Punching Bag]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

This circles back to missteps in PR strategy by the Bills management regarding the new stadium.

But as it stands, the current strategy has arguably been the least effective approach possible.
 

 

You are a genius in Marketing!   Anyone notice @Einstein after Russ Brandon left Bills?   Now we see where the ideas for UFL are coming from.