PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[BarleyNY]

37 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The reason that they are on pace to sell out in March/April (if that’s true) is because they already adjusted PSL figured based on sales numbers.

 

I doubt they put PSL numbers in stone. They have probably oscillated quite a bit.

Yep. They’re on pace because they’re adjusting the PSL pricing to do so. Many people mistakenly think that factors such as construction overruns are impacting the cost of PSLs. That was never going onto be the case. The pricing was always going to be based on what the market would bear. The Pegulas were not going to leave money on the table.

[mushypeaches]

I'm on the waiting list - have been for 3 years now and wish I had thought to get seasons a year or two earlier

 

The PSL is an investment - and as one of the earlier posters said, if you sell 2-3 games worth, you'll get your investment back pretty quickly

Even though the prices are going up, the demand will still be there, and with decreased stadium capacity, it will stay there, even if the team declines

 

Will the new stadium be better?  In some ways - yes

Will the new stadium be worse?  In other ways - yes

Those who don't like it, can stay home and watch on TV

But I'm 50 years old, and I plan to attend every game I can before I can't any more

You only live once

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Look on the bright side, at least EA doesn't have exclusive rights for the stadium! That's a win!

[Einstein]

15 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

The PSL is an investment

No it's not. 

An investment implies the earning of profit. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

No it's not. 

An investment implies the earning of profit. 

 

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an act of devoting time, effort, or energy to a particular undertaking with the expectation of a worthwhile result.

 

[WotAGuy]

24 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

The PSL is an investment - and as one of the earlier posters said, if you sell 2-3 games worth, you'll get your investment back pretty quickly

 

 

 

Only if your customer also bought the Brooklyn Bridge and some prime swampland in Florida. 

[Nineforty]

51 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

I'm on the waiting list - have been for 3 years now and wish I had thought to get seasons a year or two earlier

 

The PSL is an investment - and as one of the earlier posters said, if you sell 2-3 games worth, you'll get your investment back pretty quickly

Even though the prices are going up, the demand will still be there, and with decreased stadium capacity, it will stay there, even if the team declines

 

Will the new stadium be better?  In some ways - yes

Will the new stadium be worse?  In other ways - yes

Those who don't like it, can stay home and watch on TV

But I'm 50 years old, and I plan to attend every game I can before I can't any more

You only live once

 

As far as you know

[Einstein]

32 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

 

 

  

If you want to argue any other definition, feel free, but it will be a waste of time as 99% of the population agrees with the above.

[US Egg]

There’s a lot of this:

 

[gmanbfan]

So investments...

 

Let's say I get a pair of tickets for the new stadium with the intention of going to three games a year, and selling the other 5-6 games.  For those three years, I go to the games I want to, and use the profits from sales pay the ticket price for those games, and collect the extra profits pay off the PSL fee I incurred.  

 

Then after three years I sell the PSL rights to someone else who pays 25% more then what I paid (which is now all profit as I used sales of seats to pay off the PSLs)

 

I've watched bills games for free for three years, and made good coin selling off the psl's.  Sounds like an investment with added benifits to me.

 

And for those who say i'll just go to 2-3 games a year - FACE VALUE price on ticketmaster for the worst seat in the house for the KC game is $356.00.

 

I think it's a pretty decent investment as a bills fan.

Edited 16 hours ago by gmanbfan

[US Egg]

2 minutes ago, gmanbfan said:

So investments...

 

Let's say I get a pair of tickets for the new stadium with the intention of going to three games a year, and selling the other 5-6 games.  For those three years, I go to the games I want to, and use the profits from sales pay the ticket price for those games, and collect the extra profits pay off the PSL fee I incurred.  

 

Then after three years I sell the PSL rights to someone else who pays 25% more then what I paid (which is now all profit as I used sales of seats to pay off the PSLs)

 

I've watched bills games for free for three years, and made good coin selling off the psl's.  Sounds like an investment with added benifits to me.

 

And for those who say i'll just go to 2-3 games a year - FACE VALUE price on ticketmaster for the worst seat in the house for the KC game is $356.00.

 

I think it's a pretty decent investment as a bills fan.

Wow! Wanna take a look at my portfolio? 

[eball]

So this is interesting.  I put down the $250 deposit last year, and a few weeks ago got an email that they would not be able to offer me season tickets in the new stadium.  Oh well.  Then, this week, I saw a call coming in from the Buffalo Bills so I answered.  It was a rep calling me to ask if I am interested in premium seating.  She knew I was out of market and that I had season tickets (club) in the past.  Long story short, I have a Teams meeting with her next week to see their presentation (since I can’t go to the “experience” locally), and then I’ll have an opportunity to buy.  I just might do it.  All of the preceding discussion aside, I do think I could at least break even and get to go to a few games each year (with playoff priority).

 

I’ll let ya’ll know what happens next week.

 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

No it's not. 

An investment implies the earning of profit. 

In terms investment for financial profit, yes. In terms of investment for other things one values and enjoys, no. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

  

If you want to argue any other definition, feel free, but it will be a waste of time as 99% of the population agrees with the above.

 

Wrong. If I invest my time in my kids, I'm not looking for profit I'm looking for their betterment. If I invest my heart into my marriage, I'm looking to better our relatinship.

 

But thanks for the 99% opinion Mr. Main Character. lol

28 minutes ago, K-9 said:

In terms investment for financial profit, yes. In terms of investment for other things one values and enjoys, no. 

 

Exactly. But trust him, he speaks for the 99%. He knows. He's Einstein LOL

 

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Slippery Rubber Mats

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

In terms investment for financial profit, yes. In terms of investment for other things one values and enjoys, no. 

 

The poster was talking about financial investment. He specifically talked about earning money through selling games.
 

Of course the term “investment” can be applied in many facets, such as investing in your health - but we aren’t talking about that type of investment so it seems silly to even mention it.

 

2 hours ago, gmanbfan said:

So investments...

 

Let's say I get a pair of tickets for the new stadium with the intention of going to three games a year, and selling the other 5-6 games.  For those three years, I go to the games I want to, and use the profits from sales pay the ticket price for those games, and collect the extra profits pay off the PSL fee I incurred.  

 

Then after three years I sell the PSL rights to someone else who pays 25% more then what I paid (which is now all profit as I used sales of seats to pay off the PSLs)

 

I've watched bills games for free for three years, and made good coin selling off the psl's.  Sounds like an investment with added benifits to me.

 

And for those who say i'll just go to 2-3 games a year - FACE VALUE price on ticketmaster for the worst seat in the house for the KC game is $356.00.

 

I think it's a pretty decent investment as a bills fan.

 

What in the world makes you think anyone is going to pay 25% more?

 

Especially several years from now toward the end of Allen’s career?

 

Look at Jets PSLs. You can pick them up for pennies on the dollar. Same goes for Giants. Same goes for Cowboys. Same goes for Panthers.

 

”Jets fans who tried to sell PSLs this year lost an average of $3,233 per seat. Giants fans lost an average of $189, even though their team won the Super Bowl last year. And Cowboys PSL owners lost an average of $2,390 per seat since their stadium opened in 2009.” - old article but shows how PSL’s don’t typically appreciate 

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Einstein

[K-9]

53 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The poster was talking about financial investment. He specifically talked about earning money through selling games.
 

Of course the term “investment” can be applied in many facets, such as investing in your health - but we aren’t talking about that type of investment so it seems silly to even mention it.

Glad you understand that profit is measured in different ways for different things by different people. You may think it silly of me to mention that, but since you’ve been harping on the financial aspects of the PSLs and the sales thereof for a while now, I thought you could use the reminder. Silly me.

[gmanbfan]

I'm talking about the upper level seats where the PSL is going to be between 1k and 1.5k.  

 

PSL prices are nowhere near what they are in Dallas and NY.  And if you bought the 50K PSL seat for the Buffalo Bills, ya, not an investment.  You got the money to burn.

 

So even if you pay the PSL, sell some seats to make your 2k-3k PSL cost back AND pay for the tickets you choose to go to, and walk away from your tickets after 3-4 years, you just got to go to three games a year for free.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Silly me.

Yes, silly you for thinking that a conversation about financial investment has something to do with other random types of non-financial investment.

[WotAGuy]

I’m totally invested in this investment discussion. 
 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by WotAGuy

[K-9]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Yes, silly you for thinking that a conversation about financial investment has something to do with other random types of non-financial investment.

I can’t help it if you don’t appreciate nuance when it has been obvious throughout this thread that different people have been assigning other value to their purchases over and above the “financial investment” you’ve been harping on throughout.