BillsFanNC Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) Following up on the recent NYT article on the huge CIA involvement in Ukraine, this short segment is a must watch to explain what has been going on there for the past decade. To the useful idiots: remember when you were screaming: NO WAR FOR OIL two decades ago? Edited March 1 by BillsFanNC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 MAGA wants to kill that support to help Putin. FU!!! 👎 F MAGA TRASH SCUM! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: MAGA wants to kill that support to help Putin. FU!!! 👎 F MAGA TRASH So what's bothering you today? A great man once said "the truth will set you free". The CIA's involved. Surprise, surprise. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 46 minutes ago, Tiberius said: MAGA wants to kill that support to help Putin. FU!!! 👎 F MAGA TRASH SCUM! Bro, you also need to seek help. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 47 minutes ago, Tiberius said: MAGA wants to kill that support to help Putin. FU!!! 👎 F MAGA TRASH SCUM! New York times is maga? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 7 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Bro, you also need to seek help. Also well beyond help. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 21 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Also well beyond help. Oh, Karen now trusts the NY Times? On 11/1/2023 at 3:45 PM, BillsFanNC said: There's not much you can trust from NYT reporting these days On 11/1/2023 at 12:44 PM, BillsFanNC said: Finding Qanon never disappoints with the NY Times citations! On 8/24/2023 at 10:35 PM, BillsFanNC said: NYT, WaPo, CNN Credibility! On 10/18/2023 at 9:30 AM, BillsFanNC said: However, there are still legacy news sources who claim to be straight, objective news outlets. Think evening news, NYT, WaPo etc.. Do you think those outlets are objective and just report the facts? Idiots 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 The NYT told about what was always there: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 9 minutes ago, BillStime said: Put on your thinking cap. The story has no idealogical overtones. The NYT published the story on the CIA's involvement in Ukraine because the CIA wanted the Times to print the article. No cries or demands to identify the leaker of vital national security info is an obvious clue. The writers are also known agency errand boys. The question is why at this point in time does the CIA want the public to know about their involvement? Is it a precursor to some abrupt change in direction? A CYA action to place blame on previous managers, or something else? Perhaps a peace deal without US involvement brokered by the Saudis between Putin and Zelensky thst both have had hi-level contact with MBS recently? One rumor out there now. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Put on your thinking cap. Irony is dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 14 minutes ago, BillStime said: Irony is dead. So is your common sense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 24 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: So is your common sense. Keep digging. It's quite amusing. ANYHOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Speaking of irony, how ‘bout Zelensky groveling in Saudi Arabia with the Prince who invested with Jared Kushner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, US Egg said: Speaking of irony, how ‘bout Zelensky groveling in Saudi Arabia with the Prince who invested with Jared Kushner. Why was he there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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L Ron Burgundy Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 8 hours ago, BillStime said: Never read anything more true than this. Seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 10 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Following up on the recent NYT article on the huge CIA involvement in Ukraine, this short segment is a must watch to explain what has been going on there for the past decade. To the useful idiots: remember when you were screaming: NO WAR FOR OIL two decades ago? Of course the CIA was in Ukraine. They are everywhere, both officially and under (usually diplomatic) cover. All you supposed tough guys are suddenly like the frickin' Church Committee back in the 70s, shocked (shocked!) to see such things ... which just proves my point that the Trumpies are the new pacifists, the Dems are the new Cold Warriors. Wuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 ⬆️ Useful idiots with 0.0001% of the insider knowledge that Benz has. But hey it's 2024.. Everyone is an expert on everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 I wonder why the FBI/DOJ are going after journalists in police state fashion? A real head scratcher. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 CIA in Ukraine: Why is this not seen as provocation? An explosive new NYT report shows how Washington needlessly fed into Russia’s worst fears and precipitated the invasion, justified or not MARK EPISKOPOS The White House’s messaging on the Ukraine war is built around two simple-yet-powerful adjectives: “We are united in our condemnation,” said President Joe Biden almost two years ago in a joint statement with EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, “of Russia’s unjustified and unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine.” The “unjustified and unprovoked” line has been used numerous times by a chorus of top U.S. officials and allies, quickly becoming a rhetorical mainstay of Biden’s maximum pressure campaign against the Kremlin. This messaging conflates two important, yet fundamentally different issues. There is little question that Russia’s invasion has wrought a horrific human toll on Ukraine and upended European security in ways that few anticipated prior to February 2022. But it is also not without its context, which includes a litany of grievances that — however unjustified from the perspective of the West — constitute what the Kremlin saw as sufficient provocation to initiate the most destructive war in Europe since 1945. An explosive New York Times exposé by Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz sheds light on major developments preceding the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. According to the report, the Ukrainian government entered into a wide-ranging partnership with the CIA against Russia. This cooperation, which involved the establishment of as many as 12 secret CIA “forward operating bases” along Ukraine’s border with Russia, began not with Russia’s 2022 invasion, but just over 10 years ago. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/cia-ukraine-russia/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 who can be so overtly covert? sometimes even covertly overt? f-ing a man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/1/2024 at 7:58 AM, Tiberius said: MAGA wants to kill that support to help Putin. FU!!! 👎 F MAGA TRASH SCUM! Biden wants to support Ukraine so Hunter continues to get paid & doesn't have to move back in with Dad . So that's why Joe got Hunter the hook up with Burisma it's starting to make sense now . Hey Tibs The truth will piss you off !! On 3/1/2024 at 7:16 PM, B-Man said: Between Iraq, Afghanistan, & now Ukraine there seems to be a pattern that has developed I just wonder how long it will be before Ukraines president will be found to be the bad guy & be sought out by the US gov't for his crimes against America . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, B-Man said: The “unjustified and unprovoked” line has been used numerous times by a chorus of top U.S. officials and allies, quickly becoming a rhetorical mainstay of Biden’s maximum pressure campaign against the Kremlin. Implying that Putin's invasion was at least somewhat justified and a little bit provoked. Oh, please tell: what were these provocations? 2 hours ago, B-Man said: a litany of grievances that — however unjustified from the perspective of the West — constitute what the Kremlin saw as sufficient provocation to initiate the most destructive war in Europe since 1945. I see. We must be more sensitive to a dictator's "litany of grievances" and make sure our allegiances kowtow to him. We must not assist an ally in gathering intelligence about a possible invasion of it's own territory, lest the dictator's behemoth next door takes offense and launches a full-scale bombing campaign against its civilians. Edited March 5 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/1/2024 at 8:58 AM, Tiberius said: MAGA wants to kill that support to help Putin. FU!!! 👎 F MAGA TRASH SCUM! Tibs, why don’t you dispose of the emotional temper tantrums, and just listen to the logic of what the guy is saying for Christ sake… You’re a grown a$$ man flailing about like a child because of your TDS…get an F-ing grip… 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just now, JaCrispy said: Tibs, why don’t you dispose of the emotional temper tantrums, and just listen to the logic of what the guy is saying for Christ sake… You’re a grown a$$ man flailing about like a child because of your TDS…get an F-ing grip… Putin trying wipe out an entire nation of 40 million people and you want people to just be cool with that? What the f is wrong with you? 27 minutes ago, T master said: Biden wants to support Ukraine so Hunter continues to get paid & doesn't have to move back in with Dad . So that's why Joe got Hunter the hook up with Burisma it's starting to make sense now . Is there anything right wing media says that you don't believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, B-Man said: An explosive new NYT report shows how Washington needlessly fed into Russia’s worst fears and precipitated the invasion, justified or not All I can say is: RTFA. I mean the original NYT article, not someone else's take on it. Here it is. If it's paywalled, well, there's workarounds posted all over the place. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html bottom line: Ukraine (with USA and UK critical assistance) did provoke a tantrum in Putin because they thwarted his plan to install a Russian puppet government there. So the noninterventionists may have a point, but if so, the point is this: we should cede the Soviet Union's historical sphere of influence to Putin in a kind of eastern European Russian Monroe Doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Putin trying wipe out an entire nation of 40 million people and you want people to just be cool with that? What the f is wrong with you? Well, now I can see why you’re so emotional- you believe in a narrative that isn’t even happening… So then I urge you to please watch the video, so you can know what’s actually going on, and you don’t give yourself an aneurism over a false narrative…👍 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: So then I urge you to please watch the video The video you posted - really a powerpoint of key grabs from the NYT deep reporting - is wrong or deceptive on key points, such as suggesting that CIA operatives were actually on Russian soil. Again - GO TO THE SOURCE. It is a very well sourced and reported story in (gasp!) the NYT. You are free to argue your own conclusions after reading it, including whether the US has a key strategic interest in Ukraine and, if not, whether we should just let Russia have it. But at least that would be based on real reporting, not something called "The Crux." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 14 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Well, now I can see why you’re so emotional- you believe in a narrative that isn’t even happening… So then I urge you to please watch the video, so you can know what’s actually going on, and you don’t give yourself an aneurism over a false narrative…👍 Bull sh it will make me feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Putin trying wipe out an entire nation of 40 million people and you want people to just be cool with that? What the f is wrong with you? Is there anything right wing media says that you don't believe? Well there's nothing that left wing media says that you don't . Right ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: I wonder who's next First Fanny might get kicked out, AOC loses it when confronted about her stances on palestine, now this . I love it - the truth will set you free, or make you quit, or get you fired or make you lose it to the point of using the F bomb many times for all to here ...😜 Oh excuse me i forgot - IT'S ALL TRUMPS FAULT - There i feel better ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/1/2024 at 7:16 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Of course the CIA was in Ukraine. They are everywhere, both officially and under (usually diplomatic) cover. All you supposed tough guys are suddenly like the frickin' Church Committee back in the 70s, shocked (shocked!) to see such things ... which just proves my point that the Trumpies are the new pacifists, the Dems are the new Cold Warriors. Wuss. It’s not that we are shocked…everyone knows the illegal activities the CIA gets away with… Our whole point is to just not be surprised if Russia invades a country (who had always been friendly to them) because the CIA orchestrates a coup, in that country, to oppose Russia, in an attempt to diminish Russia’s energy production…👍 This whole war is the fault of the American Establishment, and it’s CIA foot soldiers…And I will always oppose sending one penny more, to fund it… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 42 minutes ago, T master said: Well there's nothing that left wing media says that you don't . Right ? No, I take with a grain of salt a lot of the stuff on media sources. The right wing sources just are worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, I take with a grain of salt a lot of the stuff on media sources. The right wing sources just are worse Any more it's hard to know if either just report the news and leave it at that . I quit watching the nightly news quite a while ago then i started watching documentaries where they go in depth with their research to find out all the dirty little details but it got so dirty at times i had to quit watching because the amount of evil people that run this country outside of who is president is astounding !! P.S. Then when i do post anything with hard evidence or any proof of wrong doing you and BT are usually silent & have nothing to say, the first to reply on everyday happenings that keep people distracted on the hard stuff but the quietest on the real hard stuff that truly needs more people to see what's going on . Edited March 5 by T master 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, T master said: Any more it's hard to know if either just report the news and leave it at that . I quit watching the nightly news quite a while ago then i started watching documentaries where they go in depth with their research to find out all the dirty little details but it got so dirty at times i had to quit watching because the amount of evil people that run this country outside of who is president is astounding !! Are the documentaries just bull sh it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Are the documentaries just bull sh it? If it doesn't follow what you believe things to be in your mind they are !! You wouldn't take the time to watch any way you would watch like 5 minutes find the one thing you disagree on & say it's Trump fault and leave it at that ... So then there's that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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