Richard Noggin Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BBFL said: Not my ideal for as much trading around but the way it fell it seemed like the best value whilst gaining valuable assets in a future draft too…. Not many will like it but I think it solves a lot of roster questions this year and going forward: Majority of the picks here are unlikely to be available, or at least they mostly represent surprisingly excellent value. (Which means I'd be happy with this draft's value long term, despite low floors on those 2nd and 3rd picks.) Bills would be compelled to move on from Morse in this scenario, which is probably smart (for the cap) AND regrettable (for the locker room and maybe on the field--maybe not with JPJ coming in though). Edited February 11 by Richard Noggin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Majority of the picks here are unlikely to be available, or at least they mostly represent surprisingly excellent value. I don’t know man. Every year there’s talent projected in the first or second round even after the combine that drops drastically for whatever reason. Whilst I agree that it is very unlikely I can see it happening for every picks other than JPJ and Brenden Rice. Don’t think they slide as far down as they did in that mock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 28. Brian Thomas Jr. WR LSU 60. McKinnley Jackson DT Texas A&M 99. Johnny Wilson WR FSU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 13 minutes ago, Special K said: 28. Brian Thomas Jr. WR LSU 60. McKinnley Jackson DT Texas A&M 99. Johnny Wilson WR FSU Johnny Wilson is very interesting. How many guys THAT tall have been a success at the skill position? Surprising he only came away with 2 TDs. In fact, it’s surprising that team got as high as #6 in the rankings with very little output in terms of passing TDs for the season… Coleman was it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 47 minutes ago, BBFL said: Johnny Wilson is very interesting. How many guys THAT tall have been a success at the skill position? Surprising he only came away with 2 TDs. In fact, it’s surprising that team got as high as #6 in the rankings with very little output in terms of passing TDs for the season… Coleman was it. The Bills WR room certainly lacks size and strength....these two prospects solve that, IMO. I would be banking on increased TD production from Wilson with a guy like Josh Allen throwing him the ball!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Special K said: The Bills WR room certainly lacks size and strength....these two prospects solve that, IMO. I would be banking on increased TD production from Wilson with a guy like Josh Allen throwing him the ball!! What about #18??? Very similar build and frame to Wilson just 2 inches Shorter… 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, BBFL said: What about #18??? Very similar build and frame to Wilson just 2 inches Shorter… 😜 I’m not saying I agree with it. But I think your point makes sense. I don’t think the Bills are going to draft a big, tall, physical, contested jump ball kind of guy. Specifically because they recently drafted Shorter and think they have something in him. Right or wrong I believe that’s the case. Which leads me to believe even a guy like Thomas may be out of the question unless he’s somehow still there after rd1 and they somehow didn’t address WR yet. I think a guy like Franklin is more on the target. Someone that still runs some clean routes, has some speed, and can still do some of those things, but it’s not what they’re known for. But I haven’t seen enough of Wilson to know that is or isn’t how he plays. He may be the crispest route runner in the world and I wouldn’t know. But I’m doubting he is at 6’7”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 19 minutes ago, mrags said: I’m not saying I agree with it. But I think your point makes sense. I don’t think the Bills are going to draft a big, tall, physical, contested jump ball kind of guy. Specifically because they recently drafted Shorter and think they have something in him. Right or wrong I believe that’s the case. IMO, Shorter is replacing Sherfield as a WR 4 or 5 that also plays Special Teams....he’s not replacing Davis as WR2. I would be happy with Leggette, Worthy, Franklin or Thomas with the Bills first round pick, and hope they pick up another WR during the draft somewhere, assuming most of the rest of the picks will be on the defensive side of the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 27 minutes ago, Special K said: IMO, Shorter is replacing Sherfield as a WR 4 or 5 that also plays Special Teams....he’s not replacing Davis as WR2. I would be happy with Leggette, Worthy, Franklin or Thomas with the Bills first round pick, and hope they pick up another WR during the draft somewhere, assuming most of the rest of the picks will be on the defensive side of the ball. I’m close to the same place. Franklin, Thomas, Mitchell are my picks in the first rd. I like Worthy but we need a true alpha at WR and Worthy is not it. If he somehow dropped to the 2nd rd at 60 I’d do it tho. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, mrags said: I’m close to the same place. Franklin, Thomas, Mitchell are my picks in the first rd. I like Worthy but we need a true alpha at WR and Worthy is not it. If he somehow dropped to the 2nd rd at 60 I’d do it tho. I can see a scenario where the top WRs are not available at 28. Beane takes BPA on the DL, and then moves up in the 2nd for the next tier of WR he likes (worthy maybe?). Then again in 2025 they take their true size WR early in the draft (1st or 2nd) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I can see a scenario where the top WRs are not available at 28. Beane takes BPA on the DL, and then moves up in the 2nd for the next tier of WR he likes (worthy maybe?). Then again in 2025 they take their true size WR early in the draft (1st or 2nd) I was thinking the same. If it falls that way I could see Sweat at 28 or even a trade down into the 30s, hopefully picking up an extra 2nd rd pick or something similar. Take Sweat. Then take Worthy in the 2nd rd. Maybe trade up into the early 3rd and get Walker to go with Worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) Tonight just reaffirms that the only way we are going to get by KC is with a complete new batch at the WR position, this includes WR #1 #2 & #3 Diggs will need to get the lead out of his sorry ass and start playing like a #1 WR next year. We need much better CB's than this team currently has on on its roster. Our CB's are a not even on the same level as KC's and KC completly shut down SF tonight with the play of their two top CB's Sneed and McDuffie. Our D-Line every year fails to get to the quarterback when it matters in big games. SF had Mahomes running for his life in this game and almost pulled out the Win. Same goes for KC, they know when to bring it with their blitzing packages and we still in 7 seasons have yet to get a HC or DC figure this out for us. Onto to the draft. Fingers are crossed. Edited February 12 by Toyo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Found myself in that old Belichick pattern of not finding compelling value towards the end of rd 1, so I traded back here and there to add top-100 picks while also bringing in serious talent on the IDL: Are Worthy and Walker satisfactory additions to the WR group? Not sure fans would be reassured. But it's probably better than forcing picks based primarily on need, long-term. And Murphy plus Jackson at DT is a nice haul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I hate the mock draft simulators mostly because they have outdated player rankings and people take them as factual value of players and B word and moan as guys they saw in these things continue to fall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 35 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Found myself in that old Belichick pattern of not finding compelling value towards the end of rd 1, so I traded back here and there to add top-100 picks while also bringing in serious talent on the IDL: Are Worthy and Walker satisfactory additions to the WR group? Not sure fans would be reassured. But it's probably better than forcing picks based primarily on need, long-term. And Murphy plus Jackson at DT is a nice haul. I’d take this in a heartbeat. Not sure how I feel about Murphy because I haven’t looked at him much. But love much of the rest of it. 30 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I hate the mock draft simulators mostly because they have outdated player rankings and people take them as factual value of players and B word and moan as guys they saw in these things continue to fall. All mocks have guys ranked differently. And guys in the draft fall or go much earlier than expected every single year. It’s like when Belicheck took that OL in the first rd and everyone in the planet laughed at it. But the fact is it happens every single year multiple times. Nobody on the planet besides the Bills thought Bernard or Williams were 3rd round picks either but it happened. Nobody knows for sure. It’s a crapshoot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Found myself in that old Belichick pattern of not finding compelling value towards the end of rd 1, so I traded back here and there to add top-100 picks while also bringing in serious talent on the IDL: Are Worthy and Walker satisfactory additions to the WR group? Not sure fans would be reassured. But it's probably better than forcing picks based primarily on need, long-term. And Murphy plus Jackson at DT is a nice haul. I like the idea of this, not so sure about the players themselves. No doubt we are lacking top end taken at WR, but if the value isn’t there at the back of RD1, go get that DL depth restored. We cannot solve every need in this draft alone, so getting the best value picks to continue and build a winning team around our elite quarterback should be the goal. We saw it last night with Mahomes in the big game. Did they win because Mecole Hartman and MVS are elite talents? They won because of Mahomes and his insane ability, aided by an extremely strong defense that’s elite on the back end and deep on the DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ScorpionZero Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 28 Jer'Zhan Newton DL | Illinois 60 Javon Bullard S | Georgia 99 Braden Fiske DL | Florida State 128 Jamari Thrash WR | Louisville 158 Tykee Smith S | Georgia 161 Erick All TE | Iowa 197 Gabe Hall DL | Baylor 201 Nathaniel Watson LB | Mississippi State 205 Carson Steele RB | UCLA 245 Jalyx Hunt EDGE | Houston Baptist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BBFL Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 14 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Found myself in that old Belichick pattern of not finding compelling value towards the end of rd 1, so I traded back here and there to add top-100 picks while also bringing in serious talent on the IDL: Are Worthy and Walker satisfactory additions to the WR group? Not sure fans would be reassured. But it's probably better than forcing picks based primarily on need, long-term. And Murphy plus Jackson at DT is a nice haul. Murphy and Worthy would be a great combo a first picks going by value where you’re picking, especially with that AZ trade to drop from 28. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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