SCBills Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Weakest leader? Tell that to Putin Haha.. ok. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, SCBills said: Haha.. ok. Destroyed a good chunk of his army. Weak? Who called that murderous thug a genius? Not Biden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Destroyed a good chunk of his army. Weak? Who called that murderous thug a genius? Not Biden Our border is a disaster, crime is rampant and two new wars we’re now involved in popped up under his 3 years as President. Maybe it’s all coincidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Our border is a disaster, crime is rampant and two new wars we’re now involved in popped up under his 3 years as President. Maybe it’s all coincidence. When hasn't the border been a disaster? There's crime in the USA? Really? Ok Wars happen, thank God that idiot Trump didn't have a foreign crisis to slobber all over. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Meanwhile: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: trump went over to Korea and saluted the enemy We shouldn’t elect Trump either. However, since we actually had policies like “Remain in Mexico” and no new wars sprung up during his Presidency, those like you are left with “yea, but what if…” hypotheticals. Because, “what if” what’s happening under Biden, happened under Trump? Interesting question.. at least we never had to find out the answer. Edited October 12, 2023 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: “No electrical switch will be turned on, no water hydrant will be opened, and no fuel truck will enter until the Israeli abductees are returned home. Humanitarian for humanitarian. And no one will preach us morals,” Katz said Thursday. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-12-23/index.html Really??? Explosive allegations: The Israeli government has not confirmed the specific claim that Hamas attackers cut off the heads of babies during their shock attack on Saturday, an Israeli official told CNN’s Matthew Chance, contradicting a previous public statement by the Prime Minister’s office. “There have been cases of Hamas militants carrying out beheadings and other ISIS-style atrocities. However, we cannot confirm if the victims were men or women, soldiers or civilians, adults or children,” the official said. The explosive allegations that children had been decapitated at the kibbutz of Kfar Aza emerged Tuesday in Israeli media. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-12-23/index.html I guess there are a couple ways to look at it. One, you take the high road and ignore the fact that your sworn enemy invaded your country, raped and murdered your unarmed citizens regardless of age, gender, infirmity by the thousands, kidnap anyone not murdered, and subject the victims to psychological torture yet allow the enemy to avail itself of humanitarian aid. On the other, you follow the Israel model and understand this is a fight for existence, and in spite of your best efforts and intentions, the victims kidnapped are likely ****ed...and you treat the enemy in kind. It's interesting though that part about debating whether the terrorists followed appropriate murder protocol of a less barbaric means when taking the lives of the most innocent victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 So I guess the hostages are just going to be a secondary priority. Tough decision. Real tough, but gotta do what you have to do, I guess Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, a spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces, said in a televised briefing Thursday that Israel would no longer allow Hamas to exist as an entity next door. “Unlike other operations, we are collapsing the governance and sovereignty of the Hamas organization,” he said. Israel has mobilized 360,000 reservists in recent days and armored divisions are massing near the border with Gaza. “Humanitarian aid to Gaza? No electrical switch will be lifted, no water hydrant will be opened and no fuel truck will enter until the Israeli hostages are returned home. Humanitarian for humanitarian. And nobody should preach us morals,” he posted on the social media platform X, previously known as Twitter. Any ground invasion is expected to be longer, bloodier and larger than last time in 2014 and would likely have to destroy Hamas’s extensive underground tunnel network. In that war, troops just focused on the outskirts of urban areas. But the Israeli military insists this time that the soldiers will not hesitate to enter even the most densely packed areas, where the hostages are believed to be held. Airstrikes have already been wider than in the past, and the army has abandoned engagement rules like “roof knocks,” a tactic by which the Israeli air force delivers warnings by firing nonexplosive or low yield devices on buildings before destroying them. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/12/israel-seeks-end-hamas-gaza-war/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I guess there are a couple ways to look at it. One, you take the high road and ignore the fact that your sworn enemy invaded your country, raped and murdered your unarmed citizens regardless of age, gender, infirmity by the thousands, kidnap anyone not murdered, and subject the victims to psychological torture yet allow the enemy to avail itself of humanitarian aid. On the other, you follow the Israel model and understand this is a fight for existence, and in spite of your best efforts and intentions, the victims kidnapped are likely ****ed...and you treat the enemy in kind. It's interesting though that part about debating whether the terrorists followed appropriate murder protocol of a less barbaric means when taking the lives of the most innocent victims. Innocent people on both sides are getting killed, regardless of age gender or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 45 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Weakest leader? Tell that to Putin He’s obviously already well ***** aware 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, Tiberius said: Innocent people on both sides are getting killed, regardless of age gender or whatever Yes, that's what makes the attack by Hamas so barbaric. Why do you think the people in Gaza haven't risen up against them? Surely they don't support the savagery, do they? Btw, in your latest post, you mentioned that the hostages appear to be a secondary priority. Hamas could de-escalate almost immediately by arranging for the release of all hostages, and the Palestinians not affiliated with Hamas could certainly partner in attempts to gain the release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 32 minutes ago, SCBills said: Our border is a disaster, crime is rampant and two new wars we’re now involved in popped up under his 3 years as President. Maybe it’s all coincidence. Give it a minute and it will be back to the "millions of jobs added under his administration" talking point. its forgetting how the mob and media made every single issue a crisis that he wasn't managing to their standards. that they now dont hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Yes, that's what makes the attack by Hamas so barbaric. Why do you think the people in Gaza haven't risen up against them? Because its a dictatorship. That's what the fight is all about in the world today. Israel could overplay its hand here if it just wastes 100,000 people and the hostages are killed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Maybe ignore causality for a minute and just absorb the contrast drawn between the objective results during each respective administration. It is interesting the two differing patterns, no? Sure it might be coincidental Maybe just recognize reality for a minute and realize that it the entire world does not revolve around the president of the US. There definitely wasn’t anything else happening in the region that lead up to this that more likely drove the attack? Maybe something happening between Israel and one of the would-be regional hegemonies? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So I guess the hostages are just going to be a secondary priority. Tough decision. Real tough, but gotta do what you have to do, I guess I suppose you almost have operate under the assumption that those hostages if they aren’t dead already aren’t going to be allowed to survive. I’m not sure what the discussion would even be. Do we think there are conditions to release for Hamas other than Israel surrender to Hamas sand exterminate yourselves? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: Maybe just recognize reality for a minute and realize that it the entire world does not revolve around the president of the US. There definitely wasn’t anything else happening in the region that lead up to this that more likely drove the attack? Maybe something happening between Israel and one of the would-be regional hegemonies? like what. what would justify a terrorist attack on civilians? Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I suppose you almost have operate under the assumption that those hostages if they aren’t dead already aren’t going to be allowed to survive. I’m not sure what the discussion would even be. Do we think there are conditions to release for Hamas other than Israel surrender to Hamas sand exterminate yourselves? I believe rule #1 is one never negotiates with terrorist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said: you will guys will make him the republican nominee though I will never ever forget when trump saluted the North Korean general, what a slap on the face to our servicemen and women do you all have a list of goal post moves. and you don't speak for them. just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 35 minutes ago, Tiberius said: When hasn't the border been a disaster? There's crime in the USA? Really? Ok Wars happen, thank God that idiot Trump didn't have a foreign crisis to slobber all over. Your Trump ptsd clearly has eradicated any semblance of critical thinking skills. Orange man bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said: like what. what would justify a terrorist attack on civilians? Nothing justifies a terrorist attack on civilians. Hamas is a genocidal terrorist organization that seeks the elimination of Israel. But the idea that this is somehow Biden’s fault is ridiculous and ignores the geopolitics of the region. This is Hamas’ fault, not Biden’s, not Trump’s. That kind of talk is just loser “blame America talk” that the Right used to criticize the Left for. The fact that it happened when Israel and Saudi Arabia were on track to normalize relations makes me think it’s likely that Iran pushed for this attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, ChiGoose said: Nothing justifies a terrorist attack on civilians. Hamas is a genocidal terrorist organization that seeks the elimination of Israel. But the idea that this is somehow Biden’s fault is ridiculous and ignores the geopolitics of the region. This is Hamas’ fault, not Biden’s, not Trump’s. That kind of talk is just loser “blame America talk” that the Right used to criticize the Left for. The fact that it happened when Israel and Saudi Arabia were on track to normalize relations makes me think it’s likely that Iran pushed for this attack. "There definitely wasn’t anything else happening in the region that lead up to this that more likely drove the attack? Maybe something happening between Israel and one of the would-be regional hegemonies" Welp, Biden has been normalizing relations with the terrorist supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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