Jonathan Taylor... NOW!

[Low Positive]

18 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Why not a WR?  Davis does not cut it IMO. Use the remaining resources on a real weapon besides Diggs. 

 

Get a good WR before the trade deadline.  I still have hopes for M Evans, Tampa could easily lose four out of the next five and look to deal him after we play them (Philly, NO, Det, Atl, Buff).  Maybe D Adams if the Raiders tailspin.  Maybe C Kupp.  Getting an upgrade at WR2 does the most for elevating this offense.

No team has two #1 WRs unless one or both of them are on their rookie contracts. Have you seen Davante Adams contract? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/davante-adams-14463/

Edited September 20, 2023 by FrenchConnection

[T master]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I think hes the one name you can make an exception on because of how many balls he catches ON TOP of the rush yards

 

I have to agree i think if the Bills were to put Taylor in this offense OMG the change would be that like McCafree going to SF i just don't know where the money would come from, then you add the fact that the reason why he asked for a trade is because he wants a new contract that matches his out put .

 

So given all of that that was the reason why i went where i did because i think the RB stable that the Bills have this year can be a difference maker if they use it successfully as a Thunder & Lightning type of application in the game plan but again i would love a Taylor on the team !! 

[Einstein's Dog]

31 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

No team has two #1 WRs unless one or both of them are on their rookie contracts. Have you seen Davante Adams contract? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/davante-adams-14463/

The Bills don't need a bonafide WR1, just a significant upgrade in WR2.  Are you saying M Evans is a WR1, because Tampa has C Godwin and M Evans.  LAC has K Allen and M Williams.  Jax has Ridley and Kirk.  LVR has Adams/Meyer and Renfro.

 

IMO, the best move to upgrade the Bills would be to get a significant upgrade at WR2.  I do think the FO has a budget in mind and OBJ and DHop were above it.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

But Shanahan doesn't have an incredibly gifted QB that throws the best 25 yard lasers in all of football on his squad.  If he did, he might prioritize getting that QB a second top notch WR to use this unworldly talent.

He has those!! George Kittle, Brandon Aiyuk and Deebo Samuel. CMC running/receiving allows those weapons to excel. For his size, CMC has the contact balance that Cook doesn't. 

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

No team has two #1 WRs unless one or both of them are on their rookie contracts. Have you seen Davante Adams contract? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/davante-adams-14463/

I'd say the Niners might have 2 with Aiyuk/Deebo

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He has those!! George Kittle, Brandon Aiyuk and Deebo Samuel. CMC running/receiving allows those weapons to excel. For his size, CMC has the contact balance that Cook doesn't. 

I'd say the Niners might have 2 with Aiyuk/Deebo

No QB contract. It’s an interesting thing. In SF and Miami, the coach is the biggest star. It’s like college basketball.

[John from Riverside]

We good let somebody else tie up a huge contract into a running back
 

The bills are doing it the right way

Edited September 20, 2023 by John from Riverside

[BillsShredder83]

12 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

The Bills don't need a bonafide WR1, just a significant upgrade in WR2.  Are you saying M Evans is a WR1, because Tampa has C Godwin and M Evans.  LAC has K Allen and M Williams.  Jax has Ridley and Kirk.  LVR has Adams/Meyer and Renfro.

 

IMO, the best move to upgrade the Bills would be to get a significant upgrade at WR2.  I do think the FO has a budget in mind and OBJ and DHop were above it.

If (big if, but im cautiously optimistic) Spencer Brown can reward Beanes patience this year, and Bernard works out (same cautious optimism), we are all sails ahead at bringing in a legit WR2 IMO. This roster will be about as complete as you can ask for in the salary cap era.

 

There will be some Tre White questions, some consideration on if Dawkins needs some high end competition brought in, Poyer and or Hyde will be gone (can Rapp step in right away?).  Despite all that, I think our biggest acquisition of the offseason (FA? Finding a way to move up in draft?) should be to bring in another bonafide WR.  

Edited September 20, 2023 by BillsShredder83

[Einstein's Dog]

9 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

If (big if, but im cautiously optimistic) Spencer Brown can reward Beanes patience this year, and Bernard works out (same cautious optimism), we are all sails ahead at bringing in a legit WR2 IMO. This roster will be about as complete as you can ask for in the salary cap era.

 

There will be some Tre White questions, some consideration on if Dawkins needs some high end competition brought in, Poyer and or Hyde will be gone (can Rapp step in right away?).  Despite all that, I think our biggest acquisition of the offseason (FA? Finding a way to move up in draft) should be to bring in another bonafide WR.  

I'm hoping they are looking in-season for WR2 upgrade.  IMO they have been giving a trial period for one more chance for Gabe - and if the Jets game is any indication, he failed.  

 

There may be some good WR2's on the market before the trade deadline.  I'm hoping Tampa comes back to reality - M Evans would be a great fit.  Denver looks putrid, maybe C Sutton.  Raiders might be willing to move J Meyers.  Maybe Seattle crashes and T Lockett is available. 

[warrior9]

19 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

The same reason John Elway didn't win one until he got a RB. The same reason the Dolphins tried to get Marino one. Shanahan paid a King's ransom for CMC. He's considered the greatest offensive mind in football today. Think he knows the impact of having a great RB? 

So ... history lies? So the last 20 years of not paying RBs and winning is a lie? LOL ok bubbaccino

 

We'll be rotting corpses by the time a team builds a dynasty around paying 17-18M to an RB. Oh wait, Titans tried that, Vikings tried that.... annnddddddd it failed. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

22 hours ago, warrior9 said:

Then why has no team who pays a starting RB over 2.5M won a superbowl in the last 20 years? Just a weird coincidence? 

The Bus, Dillion, Marshawn, Rice, Fournette, Addai and Jacobs right off the top of my head we’re getting more then that but that’s not the point . The main ingredient is absolutely QB but that’s not the only ingredient needed . How many Of these great QBs had a chance to play with a dynamic back? Seems like whenever they did have a beast in the backfield they won more times then not. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 9/19/2023 at 6:38 PM, warrior9 said:

Well it's not one game. He was great at the end of last year and was very good in the Jets game.

 

Again, you don't win in this league by paying RBs. it's the offensive line. If you win by paying RBs, why do none of the highest paid RBs have a SB ring? Not a single one. 

AP, LT, Derrick Henry, Le'Veon Bell, McCaffery, Zeke (when he was with Cowboys), Chubb, etc etc etc .... 

Cook wasn’t great vs the Jets not at all mof he’s part of the reason we lost be barely broke any tackles and left yds on the field especially on the pass to the flat were he let a bkup lber make a open field tackle on him. 
 

Btw Running backs don’t win superbowls by themselves it’s not fair to use these great players as examples. I’ll tell u what they weren’t the reason there teams didn’t win that’s for sure. I can start naming you a bunch of other great players that played other positions that didn’t win as well. Your argument is biased and unfair because u don’t hold any grudge to others that didn’t win and got paid to. At the end of the day championships are won in many ways but the most common factor other then QBs and coaching are just having difference making talents and good role players. 

[warrior9]

2 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

The Bus, Dillion, Marshawn, Rice, Fournette, Addai and Jacobs right off the top of my head we’re getting more then that but that’s not the point . The main ingredient is absolutely QB but that’s not the only ingredient needed . How many Of these great QBs had a chance to play with a dynamic back? Seems like whenever they did have a beast in the backfield they won more times then not. 

That is all false. The "top of your head" is very very wrong bubbaccino.

 

Someone already tried the Fournette thing.

Brandon Jacobs salary 2012- 782,000

Brandon Jacobs salary 2008- 900

Corey Dillon salary 2004- 600,000

Bettis 2005- 4M but he wasn't the starter, Willie Parker was (per the team website and depth chart) 

Addai salary 2006- 275K

 

There i ONE on there.. and it's marshawn lynch..

 

 

We're going to keep trying this huh?

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/history-shows-high-priced-running-backs-may-not-be-a-part-of-super-bowl-winning-formula/

Just now, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Cook wasn’t great vs the Jets not at all mof he’s part of the reason we lost be barely broke any tackles and left yds on the field especially on the pass to the flat were he let a bkup lber make a open field tackle on him. 
 

Btw Running backs don’t win superbowls by themselves it’s not fair to use these great players as examples. I’ll tell u what they weren’t the reason there teams didn’t win that’s for sure. I can start naming you a bunch of other great players that played other positions that didn’t win as well. Your argument is biased and unfair because u don’t hold any grudge to others that didn’t win and got paid to. At the end of the day championships are won in many ways but the most common factor other then QBs and coaching are just having difference making talents and good role players. 

Of course they dont.. having a great offensive line does. You dont win by tying your salary up to a position that is MAINLY BASED on the performance of 5 other guys.. You have such a weird hard on for RBs but history shows and will continue to show.... they dont win you super bowls and paying them will lead to a long long time of franchise purgatory. 

[NewEra]

17 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He has those!! George Kittle, Brandon Aiyuk and Deebo Samuel. CMC running/receiving allows those weapons to excel. For his size, CMC has the contact balance that Cook doesn't. 

I'd say the Niners might have 2 with Aiyuk/Deebo

Aiyuk is still on his rookie contract 

[warrior9]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Aiyuk is still on his rookie contract 

As is their QB.

Once they pay him, CMC will be gone... and guess what will happen? They'll replace him continue to win games because Shannahan is a hell of a coach and they will have a great line. 

 

i mean dude, look at the Browns game. Ford comes in and has more yards than Chubb. It's not about the running back but the OLine.. Zack Moss just had a great game. Mostert is 31 on his 7th team and just had over 100.. The examples go on and on and on about why you dont pay running backs.. There are just a bunch of people that love big names and Madden in here that dont understand no matter what you put in front of their face. 

Edited September 20, 2023 by warrior9

[warrior9]

14 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Cook wasn’t great vs the Jets not at all mof he’s part of the reason we lost be barely broke any tackles and left yds on the field especially on the pass to the flat were he let a bkup lber make a open field tackle on him. 
 

Btw Running backs don’t win superbowls by themselves it’s not fair to use these great players as examples. I’ll tell u what they weren’t the reason there teams didn’t win that’s for sure. I can start naming you a bunch of other great players that played other positions that didn’t win as well. Your argument is biased and unfair because u don’t hold any grudge to others that didn’t win and got paid to. At the end of the day championships are won in many ways but the most common factor other then QBs and coaching are just having difference making talents and good role players. 

This is patently false as well. I don't hold any kind of grudge for people wanting to get paid. They are worth what they are worth. 

Their worth is REPEATEDLY shown to be lower than every position in football. If you can find me one instance where paying an RB a lot of money worked out, I'll shut up. This has NOTHING to do with my feelings toward RBs but everything to do with their positional monetary value and the success of a team. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Just now, warrior9 said:

This is patently false as well. I don't hold any kind of grudge for people wanting to get paid. They are worth what they are worth. 

Their worth is REPEATEDLY shown to be lower than every position in football. If you can find me one instance where paying an RB a lot of money worked out, I'll shut up. This has NOTHING to do with my feelings toward RBs but everything to do with their positional monetary value and the success of a team. 

Every one of those players u mentioned we’re worth it to there teams until they weren’t just like any other positions. They helped there teams win a bunch of games, divisions & playoff games they made a ton of money for there organizations with merch and ticket sales. The guys u mentioned mostly didn’t play with a franchise QB so they lead the teams they were on . Not all there teams success was based on them either but they were a big part of there success none the less. 

[warrior9]

16 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Every one of those players u mentioned we’re worth it to there teams until they weren’t just like any other positions. They helped there teams win a bunch of games, divisions & playoff games they made a ton of money for there organizations with merch and ticket sales. The guys u mentioned mostly didn’t play with a franchise QB so they lead the teams they were on . Not all there teams success was based on them either but they were a big part of there success none the less. 

You're LITERALLY proving my point.

RBs are easily rotated in and out. They were WORTH it because they were cheap. They didn't pay them (like you thought they did), they had VALUE when they were cheap. 

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, warrior9 said:

As is their QB.

Once they pay him, CMC will be gone... and guess what will happen? They'll replace him continue to win games because Shannahan is a hell of a coach and they will have a great line. 

 

i mean dude, look at the Browns game. Ford comes in and has more yards than Chubb. It's not about the running back but the OLine.. Zack Moss just had a great game. Mostert is 31 on his 7th team and just had over 100.. The examples go on and on and on about why you dont pay running backs.. There are just a bunch of people that love big names and Madden in here that dont understand no matter what you put in front of their face. 

The same offensive line that was getting Watson killed? Highsmith and Watt lived in their backfield. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

11 hours ago, warrior9 said:

You're LITERALLY proving my point.

RBs are easily rotated in and out. They were WORTH it because they were cheap. They didn't pay them (like you thought they did), they had VALUE when they were cheap. 

No they got paid and stilll performed until they didn’t and then either cut or traded. Yes a RB shelf life is not long but they can make a huge difference. Just like other positions some guys get paid and flop completely most RBs that get paid actually play at a high level still for another 2yrs or so . 

[John from Riverside]

On 9/19/2023 at 6:48 PM, Einstein's Dog said:

The Bills don't need a bonafide WR1, just a significant upgrade in WR2.  Are you saying M Evans is a WR1, because Tampa has C Godwin and M Evans.  LAC has K Allen and M Williams.  Jax has Ridley and Kirk.  LVR has Adams/Meyer and Renfro.

 

IMO, the best move to upgrade the Bills would be to get a significant upgrade at WR2.  I do think the FO has a budget in mind and OBJ and DHop were above it.

If Dalton Kincaid pans out, you don’t need a big upgrade at wide receiver two