TSOL Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is really ***** simple He made multiple continued threats against the president of United States, and was very specific about it Whenever they showed up to read his house, he was armed and started shooting at them He ***** around and found out We get it dude, you support the FBI death squad. Kinda scary, I'm against death squads personally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is really ***** simple He made multiple continued threats against the president of United States, and was very specific about it Whenever they showed up to read his house, he was armed and started shooting at them He ***** around and found out It is even 'simpler' John. He did NOT shoot at the police, you are incorrect. He could have been easily arrested without a 6am raid by armed deputies. He made vey poor statements threatening the president. But he did not deserve to die for them. Your simple take is simply ignorant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 12, 2023 Author Share Posted August 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, B-Man said: It is even 'simpler' John. He did NOT shoot at the police, you are incorrect. He could have been easily arrested without a 6am raid by armed deputies. He made vey poor statements threatening the president. But he did not deserve to die for them. Your simple take is simply ignorant. I’m hearing conflicting stories on this and how it transpired but I’m willing to remain open minded on what actually happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I’m hearing conflicting stories on this and how it transpired but I’m willing to remain open minded on what actually happened Can you provide any information at all that confirms your claim he was shooting? If you can’t, why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This is really ***** simple He made multiple continued threats against the president of United States, and was very specific about it Whenever they showed up to read his house, he was armed and started shooting at them He ***** around and found out If he was black and a democrat everything else being the same, cities wold be burning and politicians apologizing and empathizing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Interesting how MAGA fans are now all concerned about excessive force used by law enforcement. Breonna Taylor agrees with you. Sounds like an opportunity for bipartisan legislation to address this issue, which means nothing will likely happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 12, 2023 Author Share Posted August 12, 2023 30 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: If he was black and a democrat everything else being the same, cities wold be burning and politicians apologizing and empathizing. Would they This guy had a weapon pointed at law enforcement Doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you’re on or what the color of your skin is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Would they This guy had a weapon pointed at law enforcement Doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you’re on or what the color of your skin is In the space of an evening you’ve gone from he was shooting to he had a weapon pointed at them. Where are you getting your information? YouTube again? Seems like you might be making things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: In the space of an evening you’ve gone from he was shooting to he had a weapon pointed at them. Where are you getting your information? YouTube again? Seems like you might be making things up. The FBI reported that he aimed the gun at them There are no videos or independent sources, so . . . . . . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 12, 2023 Author Share Posted August 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, B-Man said: The FBI reported that he aimed the gun at them There are no videos or independent sources, so . . . . . . . . So you’re just gonna make ***** up and choose to believe what you wanna believe but why would that be any different than any other day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 6 hours ago, TSOL said: We get it dude, you support the FBI death squad. Kinda scary, I'm against death squads personally Holy crap, how far down that quabit hole are ya'll gunna go? He made death threats against the president. Going back many, many years, how has this ever been a good idea? He did the thing you're not allowed to do. It's ***** simple. He taunted the world. ***** around and found out. Personal responsibility. Am I doing the right thing right??? This is crazy town when you disgruntled lunatics are defending this ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Would they This guy had a weapon pointed at law enforcement Doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you’re on or what the color of your skin is Yea, they would. Because there is a double standard. It’s a fact MSM would be in an uproar about this if the threats were against orange man and the guy was black. We’d be hearing about police brutality and racism. Fact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 12 hours ago, B-Man said: It is even 'simpler' John. He did NOT shoot at the police, you are incorrect. He could have been easily arrested without a 6am raid by armed deputies. He made vey poor statements threatening the president. But he did not deserve to die for them. Your simple take is simply ignorant. B, he threatened an assassination, and according to reports, pointed his weapon at law enforcement officers. I’m all for a review of the fact pattern, release of tapes, etc. That should tell us a lot. I’m all for a review of alternative options to take him into custody. It does seem odd that law enforcement would visit him the day before the raid without warrants, given that they thought he posed a grave threat to pretty much anyone. It’s possible we have another example of a militarized law enforcement and using a tank to solve a problem when a 2005 Impala would have worked , and it’s certainly fair to discuss other options to take him in without an early morning raid. However, it seems clear this guy was gravely mentally ill, heavily armed and was moving rapidly toward an unfortunate end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 12, 2023 Author Share Posted August 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Yea, they would. Because there is a double standard. It’s a fact MSM would be in an uproar about this if the threats were against orange man and the guy was black. We’d be hearing about police brutality and racism. Fact! Jesus, what a crybaby The police are shooting black men on the street. They don’t even have a gun in their hand happens every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 51 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Jesus, what a crybaby The police are shooting black men on the street. They don’t even have a gun in their hand happens every day. There it is… so easily programmed. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Poor Ashli has been replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 12, 2023 Author Share Posted August 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: There it is… so easily programmed. 😂 Programmed? you see it on video every day And I’m not even totally blaming the cops here they have the right to go home to their families. Two mistakes happen. But there is no mistake whenever you have someone pointing the barrel of a gun at you If I’m law-enforcement, and somebody is pointing a gun at me I’m going home to my family that night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Programmed? you see it on video every day And I’m not even totally blaming the cops here they have the right to go home to their families. Two mistakes happen. But there is no mistake whenever you have someone pointing the barrel of a gun at you If I’m law-enforcement, and somebody is pointing a gun at me I’m going home to my family that night Sure… I’m just adding that it’s a good thing the guy was a trumpy white male, otherwise media uproar and riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 A.P. accidentally gets it right. So you’re saying the FBI are violent extremists? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 UPDATED: What the FBI Isn't Saying About Its Shooting of a Utah Trump Supporter Should Concern Everyone FTA: According to the FBI, 74-year-old Craig Deleeuw Robertson of Provo, UT, had made a laundry list of threats against President Joe Biden and other elected officials. That part of the story appears to be true, as the man’s Facebook did contain numerous direct threats of violence, some of which got very specific. But while there’s no question that making violent threats against government officials is illegal and will rightly welcome the attention of the FBI, that doesn’t preclude the serious concerns being shared about how the raid to arrest Robertson ended. Because of a lack of transparency being shown by federal law enforcement, there is still no clear answer on why the man was shot dead. Was Robertson an actual deadly threat at the time an FBI agent killed him? We don’t know that because the FBI isn’t saying. Even three days after the pre-dawn raid turned fatal for the suspect, there has been no direct claim that Roberston pointed a gun at anyone. It’s possible he was refusing to comply as agents shouted at him (which can be heard in the above video), but refusal to comply is not justification for law enforcement to shoot someone. Reports after the incident used anonymous sources to claim that Robertson was “armed” at the time of the raid. To reiterate, being “armed” is not a justification to shoot a suspect, even one that is refusing to comply with orders. I’m sitting in my home right now, and I’m armed. Millions of Americans are likewise armed while sleeping at night. Robertson, despite the threats he made, had a legal right to possess firearms at the time of the raid. That leads to another big issue. Why is the FBI conducting a pre-dawn raid on an elderly man over online threats? Anytime the FBI barge in on someone who is sleeping, there is a chance that person mistakes law enforcement for unlawful home intruders and things go sideways. Robertson was old and barely able to walk. Why didn’t the FBI just pick him up and arrest him on his way to the store? Why didn’t they just knock and ask him to exit the house peacefully? https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/08/12/auto-draft-139-n791767 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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