Ed Oliver big extension

[The Wiz]

24 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Yes, I love looking at the FULL “second best”trophy case the Bills own. 

Compared to the 20th+ place trophies over the years, I'm sure you do.

[Maine-iac]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I think the idea is draft a replacement and save the dollars for bigger impact on offense

 

They've spent plenty on dline

I mean Dline yes ............. DT no.  

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I think the idea is draft a replacement and save the dollars for bigger impact on offense

 

They've spent plenty on dline

Drafting is not always the solution. You say that like you know what you are getting from the draft, Drafting players at times is like rolling dice. You may roll snake eyes or you may roll box cars. This is crystal ball stuff you are saying here. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Compared to the 20th+ place trophies over the years, I'm sure you do.

Not to be argumentative but the difference in satisfaction between 20th and second vs 2nd and 1st is something I would like to be able to quantify firsthand at some point

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

Drafting is not always the solution. You say that like you know what you are getting from the draft, Drafting players at times is like rolling dice. You may roll snake eyes or you may roll box cars. This is crystal ball stuff you are saying here. 

And that Oliver improves into a bona fide top10 DE is just an inevitably right

[PrimeTime101]

3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

I mean Dline yes ............. DT no.  

DT

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/positional/defensive-tackle/2023/full-cap/

28.04

DE

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/positional/defensive-end/2023/full-cap/

21.65

 

would you like to reevaluate that answer sir?

 

[Chaos]

31 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Yes, I love looking at the FULL “second best”trophy case the Bills own. 

Top Eight is our consistent finish. 

[K-9]

23 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

It's necessary to have players that step up in the playoffs as everyone knows.  Unfortunately Oliver has not been among those that have.  

 

 

Oliver or no Oliver, the Bills are the second best team over the last three years. No matter how you slice it, that is not a joke as has been alleged. 

[PrimeTime101]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Not to be argumentative but the difference in satisfaction between 20th and second vs 2nd and 1st is something I would like to be able to quantify firsthand at some point

And that Oliver improves into a bona fide top10 DE is just an inevitably right

yep and at that point either way, this whole conversation will be mute. People in Olivers range will be paid more because Oliver was last to set market at his range. OR Oliver turns out to be better and less injuries. this could seriously go either way. But I look at it cup half full 

[The Wiz]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Not to be argumentative but the difference in satisfaction between 20th and second vs 2nd and 1st is something I would like to be able to quantify firsthand at some point

I don't think anyone is going to argue that.  The difference in the best teams usually comes down to the day it seems who has fate on their side.

 

Calling this franchise "a joke" like bigfoot did is wanting your cake and eating it too after 17 years of no playoffs to becoming a team that has been in the playoffs for  5 of 6 season as a head coach and beane doing what he does.

 

I get it, we are there and need to finish but at the same time, enjoy what you have while you have it.

Edited June 5 by The Wiz

[Airseven]

46 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Right. The second best winning percentage in the league over the last three seasons, .723 to KC’s .788, is a joke. 

So what? They stat pad against bad teams. And then get eliminated in embarrassing fashion when it truly counts.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

yep and at that point either way, this whole conversation will be mute. People in Olivers range will be paid more because Oliver was last to set market at his range. OR Oliver turns out to be better and less injuries. this could seriously go either way. But I look at it cup half full 

I was being facetious

 

And I agree 100% that second contracts like this  to guys like Oliver is definitely a  glass half full move but at the end of the day you're still drinking water watching the other guys pouring out champagne 

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I was being facetious

 

And I agree 100% that second contracts like this  to guys like Oliver is definitely a  glass half full move but at the end of the day you're still drinking water watching the other guys pouring out champagne 

I do not understand the gloom and doom of the Bills current roster situation, But everyone has the right to have an opinion so yea. it is what it is. 

[Maine-iac]

We had no one signed after this season.  We weren't going to sign someone better for less.  We weren't going to sign someone as good for less.  We weren't going to draft someone who was going to come in and play better from day one as a rookie.  Given what Hargreaves and Tomlinson got paid Oliver is right in line.  Funny sportrac statistics has Oliver's snap % listed higher than Hargreaves.  I'm not going back to look but I swear someone was arguing a DT needed to play 70 percent of the snaps

[PBF81]

14 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I do not understand the gloom and doom of the Bills current roster situation, But everyone has the right to have an opinion so yea. it is what it is. 

 

I wouldn't classify it as doom and gloom, but rather questioning what they're doing and why.  For example, there's little argument that this Oliver signing, since that's the thread we're in, has risk associated with it.  Namely, whether Oliver improves his play or he doesn't.  Whether he continues to get injured now that he's had a significant injury, also asking why he was injured since he seemingly stepped it up, but perhaps doing so against bigger and stronger competition was part of the reason he was injured.  And for a guy that's typically only played 60% of the snaps in a rotation whereas at least one person has pointed out that DTs that make that kind of money typically don't play just over half the snaps.  

Not to argue, just to add some perspective.  

 

Von Miller's post-injury return, for that reason but also because he's 34 this season, are hardly inconsequential issues and he's getting paid quite a bit.  White too, will he become what he was, or something in between last season and what he was?  And of course our MLB issue and even our other OLB issue.  Defensively, that on top of the fact that we didn't play well after Miller went out, and let's face it, the competition in those games wasn't stiff.  Jones twice, Thompson, Fields, and White.  

 

Then of course our playoff performance on both sides.  I can see how people would be suspect for what's to come this season.  I know that I am, as I've stated, I don't see us finishing in the top-10 in defense this season.  I can even see us finishing in the 15-20 range.  

 

Offensively people are still skeptical of our WR situation.  The OL hasn't proven itself yet, Morse is a year older, McGovern and Torrence are both hopefuls but until ..., and we're really counting on Brown to take that next step towards serious improvement.  

 

A rookie TE only offers so much hope, and our RBs are a solid but hardly stellar BTTs guy and a utility RB.  

 

Then there's Dorsey.  Are there going to be more tantrums from him throwing tablets, or are he and Allen going to be in sync and is he going to balance Allen out with some more rushing.  

 

That's a lot of stuff to process and come out thinking that we're definitely winning the division and heading for the AFC CG.  That's without even discussing our playoff performances or a schedule featuring a slate of offenses the likes of which McD has never faced, either here or in Carolina.  

 

As with all, time will tell.  

 

Having said all of that, I think that a lot of the concern here is for the future, not so much for this season, and in the manner of the cap.  We have several older players and average players with significant contracts.  

 

As I've said, are we looking for bargain contracts, or performance from those that we have under contract to the extent that we can win it all while Allen's here.  

 

 

Edited June 5 by PBF81

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, Maine-iac said:

Didn't Saffold make the Pro Bowl ?

Exactly my point…and Oliver still couldn’t do it…

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

I wouldn't classify it as doom and gloom, but rather questioning what they're doing and why.  For example, there's little argument that this Oliver signing, since that's the thread we're in, has risk associated with it.  Namely, whether Oliver improves his play or he doesn't.  Whether he continues to get injured now that he's had a significant injury, also asking why he was injured since he seemingly stepped it up, but perhaps doing so against bigger and stronger competition was part of the reason he was injured.  And for a guy that's typically only played 60% of the snaps in a rotation whereas at least one person has pointed out that DTs that make that kind of money typically don't play just over half the snaps.  

Not to argue, just to add some perspective.  

 

Von Miller's post-injury return, for that reason but also because he's 34 this season, are hardly inconsequential issues and he's getting paid quite a bit.  White too, will he become what he was, or something in between last season and what he was?  And of course our MLB issue and even our other OLB issue.  Defensively, that on top of the fact that we didn't play well after Miller went out, and let's face it, the competition in those games wasn't stiff.  Jones twice, Thompson, Fields, and White.  

 

Then of course our playoff performance on both sides.  I can see how people would be suspect for what's to come this season.  I know that I am, as I've stated, I don't see us finishing in the top-10 in defense this season.  I can even see us finishing in the 15-20 range.  

 

Offensively people are still skeptical of our WR situation.  The OL hasn't proven itself yet, Morse is a year older, McGovern and Torrence are both hopefuls but until ..., and we're really counting on Brown to take that next step towards serious improvement.  

 

A rookie TE only offers so much hope, and our RBs are a solid but hardly stellar BTTs guy and a utility RB.  

 

Then there's Dorsey.  Are there going to be more tantrums from him throwing tablets, or are he and Allen going to be in sync and is he going to balance Allen out with some more rushing.  

 

That's a lot of stuff to process and come out thinking that we're definitely winning the division and heading for the AFC CG.  That's without even discussing our playoff performances or a schedule featuring a slate of offenses the likes of which McD has never faced, either here or in Carolina.  

 

As with all, time will tell.  

 

 

 

 

Simply put.. to much cup half empty additude. 

[PBF81]

7 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

We had no one signed after this season.  We weren't going to sign someone better for less.  We weren't going to sign someone as good for less.  We weren't going to draft someone who was going to come in and play better from day one as a rookie.  Given what Hargreaves and Tomlinson got paid Oliver is right in line.  Funny sportrac statistics has Oliver's snap % listed higher than Hargreaves.  I'm not going back to look but I swear someone was arguing a DT needed to play 70 percent of the snaps

 

That's clearly a planning thiing and that's on Beane.   That's what he gets paid the big bucks to do.  

 

 

Edited June 5 by PBF81

[PBF81]

32 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Oliver or no Oliver, the Bills are the second best team over the last three years. No matter how you slice it, that is not a joke as has been alleged. 

 

Not in the playoffs they're not.  

 

 

[Airseven]

5 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

That's clearly a planning thiing and that's on Beane.   That's what he gets paid the big bucks to do.  

 

 

He’s compensating for past mistakes along the DL by now overpaying. That can be a dangerous snowball effect for a team in cap jail.

[BigAl2526]

Well, as an extension, the new deal kicks in after the 2023 season.  In any case, the Bills obviously have a higher opinion of Oliver than lots of fans.  Judging from the comments of the defensive line coach the other day, Oliver's need for grown is mostly in the mental aspect of the game, anticipation and decision making.  Obviously, the Bills think he can make the jump in production.