Chaos Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, Dave_Bills said: That’s fair. Like I said, I’m a fan of Ed. If he can remain healthy they contract will be a good one How many DT's are on NFL Roster? Do you really think Oliver is currently the 11th best? This isn't like QBs where each team has 1. Most teams (particularly the Bills rotate multiple DTs). Oliver did not even rank in the top 32, in snaps played in 2022. PFF ranked Oliver 43 best interior lineman in 2023. Not that PFF is the begin all and end all of player evaluations, but they do get paid a lot of money by NFL teams for their analysis, so it is not like it totally make believe either. This extension is based on Beane and McDermott being smarter than everyone else when grading interior linemen in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 16 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Yeah, I saw it, and no doubt that have a different take on the receiving situation. I was merely talking what-if. We'll find out tomorrow. I mean it's kinda weird this Oliver extension out of nowhere. Did you read the piece that I posted that stated that Beane has admitted to speaking to Hopkins directly, and that stated that the reason why we possibly hadn't gotten a deal done was due to a lack of cap space? I mean that's pretty revealing. I'm merely putting two and two together combined with the fact that Oliver got $45M guaranteed, which is a lot given the circumstances, and also combined with the rumors that this has opened up cap space for us. Why the urgency all other things being equal. We'll find out tomorrow once the league office opens and the contract details are formally released, and if that was the reason, I expect that we'll hear about Hopkins signing with us by Tuesday. I obviously don't know anymore than anyone else, just trying to make sense of an otherwise odd situation. This is like fan fiction for my pal @Warriorspikes51. I doubt any cap savings by extending Oliver is sufficient to match Hopkins' contract wishes which I surmise are currently inflated above where the league values him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Wrong sir. IT is a good deal because Other players at his same Calibur are going to get paid more... making it a better deal next year. We can not have all stars at every position mate. There is a word that goes around the NFL. It is called Servable. Oliver is better than Servable. do you mean "serviceable" or are we taking Ed to Wimbledon. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chaos said: do you mean "serviceable" or are we taking Ed to Wimbledon. Big tennis fan here. I think he’s actually talking about a catering event? 🤷♂️ (Can we trust the seafood?) . Edited June 4 by Augie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Wrong sir. IT is a good deal because Other players at his same Calibur are going to get paid more... making it a better deal next year. We can not have all stars at every position mate. There is a word that goes around the NFL. It is called Servable. Oliver is better than Servable. Spelling aside, I think striving for "serviceable" is not the way to win a championship. We need to drop that kind of coin on a higher "caliber" player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: When do these analytical stats translate to sacks & TFL's? Over a 4 year span Ed averages 3.6 sacks and 7.5 TFL. Now do Edmunds average since most would have preferred to sign him instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: This is like fan fiction for my pal @Warriorspikes51. I doubt any cap savings by extending Oliver is sufficient to match Hopkins' contract wishes which I surmise are currently inflated above where the league values him. Well, I guess we'll find out. I think you'd find the other two articles that I linked somewhere above, probably in the last page or two, very interesting on that point. They may change your take there. One was by SI the other by TSN as I recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, PBF81 said: Well, I guess we'll find out. I think you'd find the other two articles that I linked somewhere above, probably in the last page or two, very interesting on that point. They may change your take there. One was by SI the other by TSN as I recall. Okay, I'll give them a look, but if Peter Pan shows up I'm putting you on ignore. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 8 minutes ago, K-9 said: Right. The second best winning percentage in the league over the last three seasons, .723 to KC’s .788, is a joke. Yes, I love looking at the FULL “second best”trophy case the Bills own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Okay, I'll give them a look, but if Peter Pan shows up I'm putting you on ignore. LOL Thanks for the humor!!! I think I appreciate it more than anyone in these kinds of conversations. 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Okay, I'll give them a look, but if Peter Pan shows up I'm putting you on ignore. If Rick Astley shows up don't blame me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 11 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Wrong sir. IT is a good deal because Other players at his same Calibur are going to get paid more... making it a better deal next year. We can not have all stars at every position mate. There is a word that goes around the NFL. It is called Servable. Oliver is better than Servable. Imo filing your roster w better than serviceable guys is how you end up always making the playoffs and never the Super Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 minute ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Yes, I love looking at the FULL “second best”trophy case the Bills own. So every team in the league except KC is a joke then. Got it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 minute ago, K-9 said: So every team in the league except KC is a joke then. Got it. It's necessary to have players that step up in the playoffs as everyone knows. Unfortunately Oliver has not been among those that have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 16 minutes ago, Chaos said: How many DT's are on NFL Roster? Do you really think Oliver is currently the 11th best? This isn't like QBs where each team has 1. Most teams (particularly the Bills rotate multiple DTs). Oliver did not even rank in the top 32, in snaps played in 2022. PFF ranked Oliver 43 best interior lineman in 2023. Not that PFF is the begin all and end all of player evaluations, but they do get paid a lot of money by NFL teams for their analysis, so it is not like it totally make believe either. This extension is based on Beane and McDermott being smarter than everyone else when grading interior linemen in the NFL. It’s a fair question, I suppose, but it’s totally irrelevant to his value in the marketplace right now. Contract values do not equate well to “rankings by position”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 13 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Spelling aside, I think striving for "serviceable" is not the way to win a championship. We need to drop that kind of coin on a higher "caliber" player. Who are we getting at DT for 15 mil a year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 14 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Well, I guess we'll find out. I think you'd find the other two articles that I linked somewhere above, probably in the last page or two, very interesting on that point. They may change your take there. One was by SI the other by TSN as I recall. The second one was more thorough. I'm under the impression Hopkins recently added an agent. If they are realistic about his options, it's possible the Bills could be a player at a more reasonable price point. Not sure Hopkins is there yet, but as you say, we'll have to wait and see what happens. I don't deny he is a risk, btw, but the way I see it, he gives you an outside receiver for the short and intermediate routes that still has great hands. Davis can still run the go routes as a third option. If the oline is significantly improved that will make the largest difference regardless of who is playing WR2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 7 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Who are we getting at DT for 15 mil a year? crickets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 8 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Who are we getting at DT for 15 mil a year? I think the idea is draft a replacement and save the dollars for bigger impact on offense They've spent plenty on dline 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 24 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Yes, I love looking at the FULL “second best”trophy case the Bills own. Compared to the 20th+ place trophies over the years, I'm sure you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Just now, GoBills808 said: I think the idea is draft a replacement and save the dollars for bigger impact on offense They've spent plenty on dline I mean Dline yes ............. DT no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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