Solomon Grundy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The issue is it doesn't take much to get the Bills to go away from running the ball and turning it into the Josh Allen show. Bills need to do a better job sticking with it even if it doesn't start out great. How many times have we seen Motor/Cook make the wrong cut or hit the wrong hole? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 hours ago, henry jones said: They need to completely overhaul the OL and be more creative in the running game. JA has reached a ceiling with this current system. The guy can’t do it all by himself. With the number of hits he takes, he’ll never make it to his 30’s in the NFL. That’s what I’m worried about… all those big hits !!! Andrew luck comes to mind 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said: How many times have we seen Motor/Cook make the wrong cut or hit the wrong hole? I keep going back to that 1st and goal at the 8 at the start of the 3rd quarter. We run and lose 3yards. Second and goal from the 11 is a lot tougher then had we gained 3 yards with a 2nd and goal from the 5. Part of the reason we go pass happy is that all to often when we do run the ball we gut stuffed for no gain or lose yardage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: He has NO choice but to do "crazy things". It's the only chance our offense has. And agonizingly a lot of the crazy stuff he does works. Sure it's chaotic but it's the reason the Bills won 14 games. But in the end the lack of complimentary talent on the offense dooms the Bills against the best teams. False. You can win by playing within structure and completing simple 7 yard passes. The Bengals literally did it to us today. 3 step, throw the ball. Stop running around like a crazy person and launching it 50 yards when all you need is 2 for the first down 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Yeah...the drops seem to come at the worst times too. Usually 3rd down plays But that’s why you throw an easier pass on 3-2 - Davis shouldn’t of dropped it , but sometimes just get the first down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, Big Turk said: You mean getting 400+ yards of offense every game is bad? I know you're watching the games, and I appreciate your commentary trying to be a voice of reason. I don't like turnover either. But I saw abandoning the run, lack of creativity in route combinations, sending receivers to the same spot. These problems seemed to get worse late in the season. They were relying on super human efforts by Josh and Diggs every week. That's not sustainable. Like i said, I don't like turnover in coaching, but you have to know when someone isn't working out. Consistency for the sake of consistency isn't smart either. There are 4 ex coordinators on staff so they don't have to go outside the org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, KDIGGZ said: False. You can win by playing within structure and completing simple 7 yard passes. The Bengals literally did it to us today. 3 step, throw the ball. Stop running around like a crazy person and launching it 50 yards when all you need is 2 for the first down False. The Bengals gave Burrow all the time in the world to push his receivers down field then AND ONLY THEN check down to a guy who ran 10 yards for a first down. Allen was harassed on half the pass attempts he made. And for the record Burrow was not getting the ball out all that quickly once he realized that he had all day to throw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 We ALL want to fire Frazier, but isn't he running McDermott's defensive scheme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: False. The Bengals gave Burrow all the time in the world to push his receivers down field then AND ONLY THEN check down to a guy who ran 10 yards for a first down. Allen was harassed on half the pass attempts he made. And for the record Burrow was not getting the ball out all that quickly once he realized that he had all day to throw. Burrow is the quickest time to throw in the entire NFL averaging 2.55 seconds. You couldn't be more wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Burrow is the quickest time to throw in the entire NFL averaging 2.55 seconds. You couldn't be more wrong Not today. And the Bengals worked hard in the off season to improve their O line. Two major signings and a 1st round pick for the LT. And this is after loading up on explosive play makers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Not today. And the Bengals worked hard in the off season to improve their O line. Two major signings and a 1st round pick for the LT. And this is after loading up on explosive play makers. Their offense will look a lot different soon enough. Higgins and Boyd are UFAs after next year and Burrow will either be on a 5th year option or a new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Their offense will look a lot different soon enough. Higgins and Boyd are UFAs after next year and Burrow will either be on a 5th year option or a new contract. Then we'll see if they can pass the test like KC did. I suspect they will. Still I would rather have the Bengal's "problem" then the Bills who in desperation had to bring two WR's that were out of football for our playoff push. The more I think about that the madder it makes me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senth Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Trenches trenches trenches!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Not today. And the Bengals worked hard in the off season to improve their O line. Two major signings and a 1st round pick for the LT. And this is after loading up on explosive play makers. You are right. He was even FASTER today at 2.5 flat. There are some really bad posters on this forum unfortunately. Josh at 3.2 and consistently among the longest holding onto the ball every season. No structure, just doing what he wants. Edited January 23, 2023 by KDIGGZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: So you think that a first time playcaller has zero room to grow and adapt? Lucky that wasn't what people thought of Daboll. He would have never coached in the NFL after his first few stints as OC. Newsflash. Coaches just like players tend to grow and adapt especially after their first season. Ever the optimist. The Bills can never do wrong in your eyes it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, buffblue said: Ever the optimist. The Bills can never do wrong in your eyes it seems More like the realist that doesn't jump off a cliff 50 times a year like most posters. Mostly it's just common sense, but apparenly not many people who post here have it. Edited January 23, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Roundybout said: We have maybe two starting-caliber OL right now in Dawkins (who is massively overrated) and Morse. Brown is solid but I think he's been playing hurt this season. Draft an LT very early. Move Dawkins to RT, make Brown the depth tackle. Do that and add one stud guard, either through draft or free agency and we would have the beginnings of a good line. Edited January 23, 2023 by Billznut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, somnus00 said: I know you're watching the games, and I appreciate your commentary trying to be a voice of reason. I don't like turnover either. But I saw abandoning the run, lack of creativity in route combinations, sending receivers to the same spot. These problems seemed to get worse late in the season. They were relying on super human efforts by Josh and Diggs every week. That's not sustainable. Like i said, I don't like turnover in coaching, but you have to know when someone isn't working out. Consistency for the sake of consistency isn't smart either. There are 4 ex coordinators on staff so they don't have to go outside the org. Funny...many said the same thing about Andy Reid for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: More like the realist that doesn't jump off a cliff 50 times a year like most posters. Mostly it's just common sense, but apparenly not many people who post here have it. You seem like a pretty good poster, but always one that takes the positive Bills standpoint. You were incredibly wrong about how things would turn out today. Don't tell me about how things are all sunshine at One Bills Drive after such a disastrous end to our season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, buffblue said: You seem like a pretty good poster, but always one that takes the positive Bills standpoint. You were incredibly wrong about how things would turn out today. Don't tell me about how things are all sunshine at One Bills Drive after such a disastrous end to our season They were spent. Nothing much to say. They could have had the perfect schemes and it wouldn't have mattered today. They had nothing left to give and it showed. I'm not even mad about it. Edited January 23, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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