2023 Draft- Wide Receiver discussion

[FireChans]

On 12/29/2022 at 4:15 AM, NewEra said:

It’s looking like We’ll be looking to draft at least 1 WR in the first 2 days of the draft.  We’ve gone back to John Brown and Cole Beasley.  Two moves that I’m happy about…. Which is why WR must be addressed early in the draft.  
 

I just wanted to get the discussion going and see who you guys like and in which rounds.
 

Just from watching a decent amount of college football this year and watching a couple hours of highlights, this WR group has some intriguing talent and some electricity in small packages.

 

 

I’ll get it started by talking about the guys I’ve seen the most of.  
 

Quintin Johnston-  TCU-   Early on in the process (only watched live games and highlights), I think I’d give up this years 1st and next years 2nd for him.  6’4, 215 tackle breaking rac monster.  He looks special to me and I think he’ll be a top 10 pick and the 1st wr taken. He’d be perfect compliment to Diggs and a sure fire hall of famer with Josh throwing to him….. as long as he clean up his concentration lapse drops.  As of 12/29, he’s the guy I want.  A guy can dream.  😔 

 

Kayshon Boutte-  LSU-  disappointing junior year and I’m hearing serious character issues.  Dunno if he’s a McD type.  He’s electric with the ball in his hand.  His tape from freshman to junior year looks so much different though.  I want the freshman version.  6’0 185ish. 

 

Rashee Rice-  SMU-  not sure what to think about him.  His tape doesn’t wow me but he’s tough. Solid route runner and catches the ball.  Tough in the open field and making contested catches. 6’2 200.  Rd 2?

 

Cedric Tillman-   6’3 215 34.5 inch arm-  if he runs in the 4.4’s, could he be a 1st rd pick or is he 2nd rd bound like Pickens was?   Similar in speed and stature to gabe but excels in contested catches and is tough after the catch, unlike Gabe. 

 

Then there’s the undersized speed demons-  such an interesting group.  I was hoping to add a wr with speed and also some size- preferably with a larger catch radius and plus contested catch.  Basically, I don’t want another Mckenzie body clone.  Not that all of these WRs are Dirty body clones, but are sub 180ish lbs.  

 

What are your guys thoughts on these guys:

Jalin Wyatt

Josh Downs

Zay Flowers

 

All 3 big time speed threats- but are they big enough to hold up as a go to playmaker and be worthy a late 1st round pick?  Wyatt and Downs could be day 1 selections.  Flowers likely 2. 
 

anyone have knowledge of Tyler Harrell?  Marquez Stevenson-like but probably faster and more built.   Where do you guys think he’ll be drafted?

 

Those are the guys I know most about at the moment- eager to hear what you guys think about them and the others. 

would love more info on:

Jaxon Smith-Njigba 

Jordan Addison

parker Washington

AT Perry

Trey Palmer

Jonathan Mingo

Johnny Wilson

Dontayvion Wicks

Ainias Smith

Puka Nacua

 

Go Bills

 

Beane ain’t taking a WR day 1 or two. Expect safety or DL.

[FireChans]

On 12/29/2022 at 10:52 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

 

I think that OL & WR will be the 1st 2 picks in whichever order. I’d be REALLY surprised if they added another defensive player early. They have to invest around Allen at this point.

Personally, I think that the medicals this year was just a way to protect himself. I know that the OSU fans have been annoyed but I don’t blame him. I believe that he can, and will, play in and out in the NFL (like Diggs). Without the injury there is no way that JSN would have fallen to 30 (or whatever). He’s going to be a great pro, day 1, imo. 

It's going to be like when Jamar Chase opted out of the COVID year. No one talks about that anymore lol

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Beane ain’t taking a WR day 1 or two. Expect safety or DL.

You could be right, but will you put your money where your mouth is?  I got $100 that says he uses a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on a WR (either in the draft or in a trade.  Bet?

[whorlnut]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

i realize everything that you’re saying….. I’m not arguing with you. You’re just a broken record.  

 

My point is this…..if you say the same thing in every post people will find you annoying.  When people find you annoying, they will call you out. Don’t be surprised or butt hurt when it happens.  

Butt hurt?  Haha. Not even close. Just don’t appreciate your constant singling me out when I have something to say.  Let’s see what Beane does this off-season and leave it at that. 

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You could be right, but will you put your money where your mouth is?  I got $100 that says he uses a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on a WR (either in the draft or in a trade.  Bet?

No?  I would be ecstatic with a 1st or 2nd round WR. In this upcoming class, a third rounder would be meh.

 

I just think the Bills philosophy is a little more  "Josh can cover holes on offense, we need as many playmakers as possible on defense" than I would like. Combined with the fact that I think this years draft is a little WR top-heavy, Von may not be healthy entering next season, and Antonio Johnson may be bouncing around the late 20s, I just don't see Beane doing a reach for a WR

Edited January 1, 2023 by FireChans

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

Butt hurt?  Haha. Not even close. Just don’t appreciate your constant singling me out when I have something to say.  Let’s see what Beane does this off-season and leave it at that. 

Just because I’m calling you or doesn’t mean I’m not calling anyone else out.  You’re just one of several members of the Sadness Brigade that I call out.

 

How about YOU wait and see what Beane does this offseason rather than B**** about him in every post.  I don’t like everything Beane does. I didn’t like the Elam pick.  I hated the Basham pick with a passion. I didn’t like the AJ pick. I didn’t like the Doyle pick.  I hated the Bernard pick.  I hated the Zack Moss pick.  I was hoping he would’ve added a higher caliber WR this offseason. I was hoping he’d do the same along the OL. 
 

i just don’t lament about it in every post.  I’ve moved on.  You pointing out his mistakes won’t make them go away and surely won’t have an affect on what he does in the future.  It just makes you look like a sniveling child.  

[whorlnut]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Just because I’m calling you or doesn’t mean I’m not calling anyone else out.  You’re just one of several members of the Sadness Brigade that I call out.

 

How about YOU wait and see what Beane does this offseason rather than B**** about him in every post.  I don’t like everything Beane does. I didn’t like the Elam pick.  I hated the Basham pick with a passion. I didn’t like the AJ pick. I didn’t like the Doyle pick.  I hated the Bernard pick.  I hated the Zack Moss pick.  I was hoping he would’ve added a higher caliber WR this offseason. I was hoping he’d do the same along the OL. 
 

i just don’t lament about it in every post.  I’ve moved on.  You pointing out his mistakes won’t make them go away and surely won’t have an affect on what he does in the future.  It just makes you look like a sniveling child.  

You literally can’t help yourself in every post you make without throwing some sort of insult out there. That’s what makes you look like a huge d***. I’m done with you though. If pointing out Beane will probably draft a defensive player in the first round again upsets you then so be it. Even though I’ve said multiple times I trust that he will make it right this off-season. Whatever. 

Edited January 1, 2023 by whorlnut

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

No?  I would be ecstatic with a 1st or 2nd round WR. In this upcoming class, a third rounder would be meh.

 

I just think the Bills philosophy is a little more  "Josh can cover holes on offense, we need as many playmakers as possible on defense" than I would like. Combined with the fact that I think this years draft is a little WR top-heavy, Von may not be healthy entering next season, and Antonio Johnson may be bouncing around the late 20s, I just don't see Beane doing a reach for a WR

I figured as much.  Just another know it all that likes to run his mouth.  
 

It’s January 1 and you’re saying all the WRs available for us in rd 1 will be a reach. If only we all knew as much as you.  More importantly, if only Beane knew as much as you. 

2 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

You literally can’t help yourself in every post you make without throwing some sort of insult out there. That’s what makes you look like a huge d***. I’m done with you though. If pointing out Beane will probably draft a defensive player in the first round again upsets you then so be it. Even though I’ve said multiple times I trust that he will make it right this off-season. Whatever. 

I’ve said countless times….saying that doesn’t bother me.  Say whatever you want to say.  I just don’t understand your need to do so in almost every post.  Every post comes back to Beane and his neglecting the offense for defense. 
 

“I trust that he will make it right this offseason”…….LOL. Then why do you say the opposite in every post?  This is gold. 

[FireChans]

39 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I figured as much.  Just another know it all that likes to run his mouth.  
 

It’s January 1 and you’re saying all the WRs available for us in rd 1 will be a reach. If only we all knew as much as you.  More importantly, if only Beane knew as much as you.

It's a message board.

 

Well, we'd have the same number of SB wins, that's for sure lol.

 

You're a know-it-all too right?  You hated the Elam pick, the Basham pick, the Doyle pick, the Bernard pick?  Why did you hate them?  Because you thought you knew better than Beane?

 

 

Edited January 1, 2023 by FireChans

[whorlnut]

43 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I figured as much.  Just another know it all that likes to run his mouth.  
 

It’s January 1 and you’re saying all the WRs available for us in rd 1 will be a reach. If only we all knew as much as you.  More importantly, if only Beane knew as much as you. 

I’ve said countless times….saying that doesn’t bother me.  Say whatever you want to say.  I just don’t understand your need to do so in almost every post.  Every post comes back to Beane and his neglecting the offense for defense. 
 

“I trust that he will make it right this offseason”…….LOL. Then why do you say the opposite in every post?  This is gold. 

Keep being you. You agree with me but argue just to argue. Pretty sad. Also…keep in mind that you started this thread on “looking like we will be drafting a WR” this year. Don’t be surprised when some people are a bit skeptical when we haven’t drafted a WR before round 4 since Beane got here. Unless you want to include the trade for Diggs, which is understandable. And I’ve been on record as saying I think Beane will do right by Allen this year, it’s just that past history shows that he values defense early and often. But I guess if you want to argue just to be difficult, I will wait for your next post. 

Edited January 1, 2023 by whorlnut

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It's a message board.

 

Well, we'd have the same number of SB wins, that's for sure lol.

 

You're a know-it-all too right?  You hated the Elam pick, the Basham pick, the Doyle pick, the Bernard pick?  Why did you hate them?  Because you thought you knew better than Beane?

 

 

Lol no.  Maybe that how you would rationalize it.  I hated them because after the research I had done, I didn’t like the players that we chose, each for different reasons.  
 

Guess what I did next?  I moved on.  I didn’t let everyone on the board know that I hated the picks in every post for the next 6 months….or 6 years.  
 

   

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Lol no.  Maybe that how you would rationalize it.  I hated them because after the research I had done, I didn’t like the players that we chose, each for different reasons.  
 

Guess what I did next?  I moved on.  I didn’t let everyone on the board know that I hated the picks in every post for the next 6 months….or 6 years.  
 

   

So you think you knew better than Beane IRT those picks. Because he did his own research and disagreed with you. 
 

Thanks for playing. 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So you think you knew better than Beane IRT those picks. Because he did his own research and disagreed with you. 
 

Thanks for playing. 

lol….I have an opinion on players.  I don’t necessarily think that my opinion of said players is the bottom line.  I’ve been wrong thousands of times and I realize that I’m a novice…..and he and his staff professionals.  They know better than i the majority of the time.  Sometimes I’m right and Beane is wrong….just like everyone else. All GMs make mistakes.   I just don’t feel compelled to rant about it on a message board each and every day.  

44 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Keep being you. You agree with me but argue just to argue. Pretty sad. Also…keep in mind that you started this thread on “looking like we will be drafting a WR” this year. Don’t be surprised when some people are a bit skeptical when we haven’t drafted a WR before round 4 since Beane got here. Unless you want to include the trade for Diggs, which is understandable. And I’ve been on record as saying I think Beane will do right by Allen this year, it’s just that past history shows that he values defense early and often. But I guess if you want to argue just to be difficult, I will wait for your next post. 

It’s real simple man.  Add me to ignore.  You won’t realize that I call out several folks and not just you.  
 

The more you say the same thing over and over again, the more I’ll call you out about it.  What makes matters even worse:  you say the say things over and over and over  and over again AND THEN say that you now trust him.  If you trust him…..why continue to lament on the past?  You say one thing and your actions say something entirely different.  
 

[Big Turk]

On 12/29/2022 at 10:28 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

Can we add JSN to the list? Last year, he was the best of the Buckeyes WRs and that includes Olave & Garrett Wilson. He actually reminds me a little of Diggs. He can win anywhere & would be the OROY in the Bills offense.

 

Garrett Wilson agrees with you...he even said it in interviews before and again when asked he said "He stands on that" and said they called him "The Natural".

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

I hope we draft a wr in either the 1st or 2nd pick.  I've seen Johnston play and he should (?) be a good playmaker.  I also like Rice in the 2nd.  Quentin is projected to run ~4.40 and Rice ~ 4.45.  Obviously these numbers will change at the combine.

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I hope we draft a wr in either the 1st or 2nd pick.  I've seen Johnston play and he should (?) be a good playmaker.  I also like Rice in the 2nd.  Quentin is projected to run ~4.40 and Rice ~ 4.45.  Obviously these numbers will change at the combine.

 

Running is big for both. Quintin should be a back half of round 1 pick for me but if he underperforms the 40, slipping to day 2 is possible. Rice is more like an early day 2 pick, but run a great 40? Who knows.

[Thurman#1]

On 12/30/2022 at 12:26 AM, No_Matter_What said:

Bates? I think there is exactly 0.0% chance that we move on from Bates given his play/contract and I don't remember anyone on this board suggesting otherwise.

 

Agree on other two. Saffold is imo gone unless he takes vet min. Morse might retire.

 

 

Morse might indeed retire, but if he doesn't they can not let him go. Last thing we need right now, the very last thing, is to go creating new holes on this OL.

 

I'm with you that I think Bates stays also.

[LyndonvilleBill]

On 12/29/2022 at 8:11 AM, Solomon Grundy said:

I like his teammate Dontay Demus Jr. too. Big body, contested catch guy. Injury concerns though, but so was Pickens. Demus was the guy in MD prior to his injury. 

Just circling back. Finally got to check Demus out a bit more. Quite the injury. Ouch. I'm sure it had an impact and you're right. A big body wr. To be honest, with what I read and watched, it didn't "excite " me much. But while researching him, I also looked at a couple of others as well.

 

As a "Big Body" later round pick, I kind of like Elijah Higgins from Stanford. Talk about a BIG Body. Might even go the TE route.🤔. Plus must have some intelligence to him being a Stanford guy. Also like AT Perry and J. Mingo if we go "Bigger" versus quick/speedy.

 

Any thoughts on Higgins?

[KOKBILLS]

On 12/29/2022 at 4:15 AM, NewEra said:

It’s looking like We’ll be looking to draft at least 1 WR in the first 2 days of the draft.  We’ve gone back to John Brown and Cole Beasley.  Two moves that I’m happy about…. Which is why WR must be addressed early in the draft.  
 

I just wanted to get the discussion going and see who you guys like and in which rounds.
 

Just from watching a decent amount of college football this year and watching a couple hours of highlights, this WR group has some intriguing talent and some electricity in small packages.

 

 

I’ll get it started by talking about the guys I’ve seen the most of.  
 

Quintin Johnston-  TCU-   Early on in the process (only watched live games and highlights), I think I’d give up this years 1st and next years 2nd for him.  6’4, 215 tackle breaking rac monster.  He looks special to me and I think he’ll be a top 10 pick and the 1st wr taken. He’d be perfect compliment to Diggs and a sure fire hall of famer with Josh throwing to him….. as long as he clean up his concentration lapse drops.  As of 12/29, he’s the guy I want.  A guy can dream.  😔 

 

Kayshon Boutte-  LSU-  disappointing junior year and I’m hearing serious character issues.  Dunno if he’s a McD type.  He’s electric with the ball in his hand.  His tape from freshman to junior year looks so much different though.  I want the freshman version.  6’0 185ish. 

 

Rashee Rice-  SMU-  not sure what to think about him.  His tape doesn’t wow me but he’s tough. Solid route runner and catches the ball.  Tough in the open field and making contested catches. 6’2 200.  Rd 2?

 

Cedric Tillman-   6’3 215 34.5 inch arm-  if he runs in the 4.4’s, could he be a 1st rd pick or is he 2nd rd bound like Pickens was?   Similar in speed and stature to gabe but excels in contested catches and is tough after the catch, unlike Gabe. 

 

Then there’s the undersized speed demons-  such an interesting group.  I was hoping to add a wr with speed and also some size- preferably with a larger catch radius and plus contested catch.  Basically, I don’t want another Mckenzie body clone.  Not that all of these WRs are Dirty body clones, but are sub 180ish lbs.  

 

What are your guys thoughts on these guys:

Jalin Wyatt

Josh Downs

Zay Flowers

 

All 3 big time speed threats- but are they big enough to hold up as a go to playmaker and be worthy a late 1st round pick?  Wyatt and Downs could be day 1 selections.  Flowers likely 2. 
 

anyone have knowledge of Tyler Harrell?  Marquez Stevenson-like but probably faster and more built.   Where do you guys think he’ll be drafted?

 

Those are the guys I know most about at the moment- eager to hear what you guys think about them and the others. 

would love more info on:

Jaxon Smith-Njigba 

Jordan Addison

parker Washington

AT Perry

Trey Palmer

Jonathan Mingo

Johnny Wilson

Dontayvion Wicks

Ainias Smith

Puka Nacua

 

Go Bills

 

 

Good post...

 

I've already dug in pretty deep on this WR class...A few takes...

 

Forget about Johnston, Addison, and Hyatt unless the Bills trade up a bit...And not just a couple picks...They have very different skill sets, but each brings something to the table that is really good. Hyatt is rumored to run in the high 4.2's, and yes he's a bit thin, but he's a serious gamer that NFL teams will have to respect or face the consequences. Johnston is prototype-type (if that makes sense). I think his floor is Tee Higgins. Addison can really do it all...In this day and age of the NFL, those three will be coveted.

 

After that is Smith-Njigba...He's a REAL polished route runner coming out, but I would be surprised if he runs much better that 4.5. Honestly, sometimes he looks to me like he's running in sand...But he gets open...A lot...And maybe he surprises with his 40 time. He's very good, but he's basically a slot-only option. More of a high-floor guy IMHO. Rashee Rice is really interesting. But I think it will be a stretch to expect him to step into a big role as a Rookie. He's got the tools, he's confident, he looks like a 4.4 guy to me...It's just...how long will it take him to adjust to the NFL game? 

 

I kind of lump Downs, Flowers, and Washington together. I see them all as slot-only options. Flowers is more of move type and the best of these 3 IMHO...He's a serious gamer. He's also on the smaller side obviously (5-9 1/4 -182)... Downs is not big either (5-10-174), and Washington is the thickest but still on the shorter side (5- 10-around 210)...All 3 are Day 2 options...Would not be surprised to see at least one of the 3 get to the Bills 2nd round pick.

 

I really want to see what Cedrick Tillman runs...I think the Pickens comparison is fair, they do have similar traits. I felt Pickens was 1st round prospect, and he is absolutely the guy I would have Drafted for the Bills in the 1st last year. So projecting Tillman there early is not far fetched. If he runs real fast it could happen. Tillman is more of the type-WR I think the Bills need. More prototype size (around 6-3-215), win over the top, contested ball-type. He only played 6 games in 2022...That alone could push him down a little bit. I think the likely scenario for Tillman is early-mid 2nd Round. 

 

Of the rest that I have seen so far, keep an eye out for Puka Nacua...He's got good size (6-1-205...but honestly he looks bigger on the field to me for some reason), he looks like a 4.4-something guy on the field, and he was used all kinds of ways at BYU...He's a Day 2 guy that will have a role in the NFL as a Rookie. And his ceiling is really nice. If the Bills want to wait till the late-2nd for a WR, I think Nacua would be a great option there. 

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I want a guy that is 6'4"+ or has Hill/Waddle speed. It's seems like it has been forever since we have drafted guys like that. That said, the SMU WR Rice seems like he is a good mix of decent size (6/'2"), good enough speed, good hands and just a player that knows how to play the position. He might be the guy. But we are missing the playmakers with the elite traits.