James Cook -- 5.8 ypc(!) and his longest is only 33 yards.

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If he spends his rookie contract racking up explosive plays and TDs that's good enough for me to warrant the 2nd rounder. Allen hasn't had a teammate capable of creating explosive plays on his own since John Brown fell off a cliff.

 

 

I'd say James Cook needs to become a 1500 yard per season producer between years 2-4 of his deal for the selection to be a modest success on it's own merit.

 

That's not to say they won't be able to find a RB1 late in the draft or UDFA or off a scrap heap somewhere and then have Cook instead be a useful change of pace back and come out unscathed by the selection anyway..........but you don't take a RB in round 2 to not be a big time producer.

 

[Patrick Duffy]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I'd say James Cook needs to become a 1500 yard per season producer between years 2-4 of his deal for the selection to be a modest success on it's own merit.

 

That's not to say they won't be able to find a RB1 late in the draft or UDFA or off a scrap heap somewhere and then have Cook instead be a useful change of pace back and come out unscathed by the selection anyway..........but you don't take a RB in round 2 to not be a big time producer.

 

 

 

I don't know if you're meaning 1500 all purpose yds, or 1500 rushing only? If 1500 yds rushing only, then I would guess the chances of that wouldn't be all that good. Offense with Allen will likely always be pass heavy and may not get the attempts needed for a 1500 yd rushing season.

 

But I'm assuming you were talking about rushing and receiving probably?

[Heavy Kevi]

Cook has definitely been picking up steam as the season goes on. The game seems to be slowing down for him and he's hitting holes decisively and is sneakily elusive. Looking forward to some more routes run out of the backfield as he matures more and more.

 

I think has shown enough this year that the Bills will have an entirely new RB room next year outside of Cook.

 

I thought the plan bringing Hines in was to roll next year with Cook and Hines, but now I think it's Cook and FA's, or maybe a later round RB.

 

Everyone loves singletary in the locker room (and I think he's pretty good, not great), but the FO will be making some difficult cap decisions, and cook flashes.

 

Best case, I would keep singletary and cook, but that would surprise me at this point.

 

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

When I watch Singletary, I think he plays with a lot of heart

The combination of Motor ,Cook and Hines is fine with me.

 Work on the O line and the whole game will improve.

And I do think all of those will happen

[Adam]

14 hours ago, pi2000 said:

Cook > Hines

Nice to have both

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

 

I don't know if you're meaning 1500 all purpose yds, or 1500 rushing only? If 1500 yds rushing only, then I would guess the chances of that wouldn't be all that good. Offense with Allen will likely always be pass heavy and may not get the attempts needed for a 1500 yd rushing season.

 

But I'm assuming you were talking about rushing and receiving probably?

 

Yeah it would be a shock if he ever got the near requisite 300 carries in a season to reach the lofty heights of 1500 yards rushing like his fellow second round pick bro did in 2020.

 

More like 200-240 carries and 60-80 receptions.......280 touches......for his style of back.

 

I doubt he will get there but when you use a second rounder it's a full notch higher than a 3rd.......and a 3rd you still expect an RB1 with that pick.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Anyone see a bigger Aaron Jones in Cook?

[GolfandBills]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Anyone see a bigger Aaron Jones in Cook?

Cook is tiny.  They are virtually the same size 

Edited December 26, 2022 by GolfandBills

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Anyone see a bigger Aaron Jones in Cook?

Bigger?  He’s at least 10 lbs lighter

[Buffalo_Stampede]

33 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Bigger?  He’s at least 10 lbs lighter

Taller?

[BADOLBILZ]

42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Anyone see a bigger Aaron Jones in Cook?

 

 

No he's quite different.    James Cook is A LOT faster than Jones but doesn't have the same center of gravity/balance.    Production-wise though.......there isn't any reason Jones should be more productive than Cook.   Aaron Jones was a nice 5th round pick.   That's ideally where you find your RB's.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Taller?

Yeah, he’s taller.  I don’t see the comp though.  Jones is an animal finishing through contact. He’s a much more physical back to my eye. Maybe with time- cook has been finishing better than I thought he would.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, he’s taller.  I don’t see the comp though.  Jones is an animal finishing through contact. He’s a much more physical back to my eye. Maybe with time- cook has been finishing better than I thought he would.

I don’t know. Cook does seem to be more physical than I thought. He tends to fall forward when tackled.

 

Mainly though the comparison is in space. Not much wiggle to them they use speed to go by defenders.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t know. Cook does seem to be more physical than I thought. He tends to fall forward when tackled.

 

Mainly though the comparison is in space. Not much wiggle to them they use speed to go by defenders.

Cook is more physical than I thought too….. but he’s not like Jones in that regard imo. 
 

Like Badol said, Jones isn’t nearly as fast.  

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Anyone see a bigger Aaron Jones in Cook?

Nah, some flashes of Dalvin Cook maybe. Hope he can be just a good or better with experience. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Cook is more physical than I thought too….. but he’s not like Jones in that regard imo. 
 

Like Badol said, Jones isn’t nearly as fast.  

Sure 40 speed. I think Jones game speed is fast. Jones and Kamara ran 4.5s but you can’t really tell on the field
 

Cook to me looks like the real deal none the less. His suddenness in the open field can’t be taught. He’s going to break a long one soon enough.

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I'd say James Cook needs to become a 1500 yard per season producer between years 2-4 of his deal for the selection to be a modest success on it's own merit.

 

Only 5 RBs managed that feat last year so that is not a realistic standard. I thought you didn't like offenses that over-utilized RBs as pass catchers. We would have to completely overhaul our offensive philosophy for him to get that much production. We drafted him to give us an explosive skill set that was missing from our RB room, not to become our primary offensive weapon.

 

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

you don't take a RB in round 2 to not be a big time producer.

 

It was a low 2nd round pick that Beane only used after trading back several times presumably because he only had players with 3rd round grades left on the board. A RB taken in the 1st round needs to do what you're saying. Low 2nd round you are looking for meaningful contributors.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Sure 40 speed. I think Jones game speed is fast. Jones and Kamara ran 4.5s but you can’t really tell on the field
 

Cook to me looks like the real deal none the less. His suddenness in the open field can’t be taught. He’s going to break a long one soon enough.

I agree, cook looks legit.  The fact that he has breakaway speed makes it even better. That’s all that really matters. 😃 

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, deanjf said:

In his entire career, I have never seen Cook break a tackle...

I'm not sure I've aeen hom break a tackle either. I guess that's not his game. He makes people miss. Once he's grabbed its over. I really liked Blackshear. He looked great granted it was preseason. However, he looks solid in his opportunities in Carolina. 

[Chicken Boo]

He'll get 4 carries next week.