NFL Week # 16 - Bills at Bears - post game thread

[BlazinBill]

8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

We know what we have in Singletary. 100% correct and I'd be more than content to see him as the Bills starting RB.

 

Do we know what we have in Cook? Answer is no no and no. He's gone from being terrible to now playing well.  He is progessing and showing promise. By no means does he look elite or to be a game changer.  I don't think the Bills coaching would trust Cook to start in a must win game. 

I mean I love Singletary and openly welcome him back at a friendly deal- no one is paying him any crazy money so sure-

I absolutely disagree with your take on Cook - do you remember Singletary early in his career? He definitely didn't have the flash that Cook has- Cook has an explosive aspect to him and absolutely is why they drafted him-

The concern I do have with him, is can he step up and block when needed. That is huge and a need to be successful in any offense but if he can he's the guy without question.

Not sure why your seeing what you are and maybe we just have different takes - definitely cool if we do - I just don't see how you aren't seeing that it factor from him. He has a gear and shiftiness that if Singletary had the Bills wouldn't be constantly be looking to bring more guys in.

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

35 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

did we escape without any serious injuries?  Knox and Bates both came back in IIRC.  The only other thing I caught was JPhillips clutching at his abdomen in the 4th quarter.

Phillips shoulder is still injured.

 

I was watching for him and he only played a handful of snaps.

 

He took himself out early on a routine tackle, and on that TFL in the 4th he checked himself out immediately.

 

He was wearing a brace. 

Edited December 25, 2022 by Straight Hucklebuck

[mikemac2001]

2 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 That and he completed the pass and the 2 pt conversion would've been good if not for the penalty. I get there was an easier way to it, but the results would've been the same either way.

 

 

I’m saying I think he was confused expecting a whistle he didn’t seem like he was going at full speed then was like o ***** I gotta make a play 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

We know what we have in Singletary. 100% correct and I'd be more than content to see him as the Bills starting RB.

 

Do we know what we have in Cook? Answer is no no and no. He's gone from being terrible to now playing well.  He is progessing and showing promise. By no means does he look elite or to be a game changer.  I don't think the Bills coaching would trust Cook to start in a must win game. 

 

 Hate to tell you, but 5.8 ypc is an elite number, so maybe he has looked elite. Or averaging a 20+ yard carry every 15 times he runs. He has more 20+ yard runs than his brother and Delvin has 230 carries to James 80. 

 

 I just looked it up there's only 12 runners in the league with more 20+ yard runs this year and 3 of those are QBs. So he's top 10 in 20+ yard runs by a RB on only 80 carries. The next lowest attempts in the Top 10 is J Wilson Jr at 136, almost 75% more carries than Cook. To me that's elite, everyone he's facing has way more carries than him. What's Singletary top 10 in? He stands way more of a chance having 170 carries.

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

21 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

We know what we have in Singletary. 100% correct and I'd be more than content to see him as the Bills starting RB.

 

Do we know what we have in Cook? Answer is no no and no. He's gone from being terrible to now playing well.  He is progessing and showing promise. By no means does he look elite or to be a game changer.  I don't think the Bills coaching would trust Cook to start in a must win game. 

Cook was never terrible.

 

I’ve said it all year and it’s obvious, if he was given 15-20 carries a game, he’d have a few 100-yard games by now.

 

All this he is maturing, he is growing, he is learning the game is overblown.

 

I know McDermott wants to see practice habits.

 

Game 2 he has had 50+ yards in the second half.

 

The Steelers game he breaks a long TD run.

 

Its been obvious all year that he’s good.

 

It’s almost like NFL scouts saw that he went to an SEC powerhouse and was drafted in the 2nd Round or something?

30 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Fields ran 7 times for 1.6 yds per carry

His season average is 7 yards per carry

 

He normally makes more attempts to run, but it would be a pretty good guess that if he were racking up the yardsies he woulda racked up the attempts, too

 

Good job by Frazier and the D

Chicago stuck with the Montgomery runs WAY too long in this game.

 

They were beyond conservative. 
 

If I’m a fan, that was like the Packers game where they just gave up and wanted to run the clock out. 

[newcam2012]

8 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Hate to tell you, but 5.8 ypc is an elite number, so maybe he has looked elite. Or averaging a 20+ yard carry every 15 times he runs. He has more 20+ yard runs than his brother and Delvin has 230 carries to James 80. 

 

 I just looked it up there's only 12 runners in the league with more 20+ yard runs this year and 3 of those are QBs. So he's top 10 in 20+ yard runs by a RB on only 80 carries. The next lowest attempts in the Top 10 is J Wilson Jr at 136, almost 75% more carries than Cook. To me that's elite, everyone he's facing has way more carries than him. What's Singletary top 10 in? He stands way more of a chance having 170 carries.

 

 

If he was elite as you proclaim he would have been in the starting line up from day one. He would have gotten way way more touches than he's gotten. I trust the Bill's coaches decisions more than some internet guy drooling over a 6 game sample size. No offense. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

post-script from the pre-game thread: I ended up watching the game up until mid-3rd quarter and then wife drove us to Christmas eve festivities a few hours away, as I watched thru Sunday Ticket on my phone in the car. So everything worked out!  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

If he was elite as you proclaim he would have been in the starting line up from day one. He would have gotten way way more touches than he's gotten. I trust the Bill's coaches decisions more than some internet guy drooling over a 6 game sample size. No offense. 

He’s been a good player all year. 
 

Titans, Steelers, Browns, Lions, Bears.

 

The Bills rarely stick with the run for 4-Quarters.

 

Today they did, and shocker! They can run the ball as many fans have said all year despite Howard & Jeremy, Schopp & Bulldog screaming to the contrary. 

[Nephilim17]

12 & 3. Everyone would've signed up for that in August.

 

Pros from today:

Obviously the run game but what's nice is that we have two good backs we can rely on. Cook is now a weapon both running and catching. Very nice  to see we have a home-run back on the squad now and other teams will know and fear that.

Run defense. We held the number one rushing attack to just 80 rushing yards and we held a thousand-yard rushing QB to just 11 yards. People complain a lot about bad rush D and yes, we have bad series here and there, but look at the final results and how can you not admire that. And with a six-man box too.

No major injuries that I've heard of. For this team, this year, this point in the season, that's huge.

 

A good McDermott challenge. That took points away from the Bears. Good to see and hopefully the start of a trend.

 

We got more reps outside in brutal weather — that's good for us playing at home in January.

We won with a crap Josh. Yes, against the Bears but we won decisively. 

Cons:

 

Josh's decision making. He's lost about 30 IQ points compared with the early part of the season. He can get it back. And if he says the second pick was the wind, I'll have to believe him. He was crap and doesn't take the easy and short stuff the D is giving him but I don't think this will be a trend. It's good to learn hard lessons in victories right now.

Didn't use Diggs enough. But that may be related to the point above. That said, we complain when we lean on Diggs, and today we won big without him. This may be an neutral point rather than a con.

Go Bills! And Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah or any other celebration (happy weekend for the heathens) in your life. Be well and enjoy where we are at. 🍻

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

If he was elite as you proclaim he would have been in the starting line up from day one. He would have gotten way way more touches than he's gotten. I trust the Bill's coaches decisions more than some internet guy drooling over a 6 game sample size. No offense. 

 

 That "6 game sample size" produced a top 10 placing for big runs by RBs this year. What were the things Singletary places top 10 in RBs again? It appears you forgot to include it in your last post.

 

 The only reason he isn't starting is cause McDermott always starts veterans WRs & RBs over rookies. Which makes absolutely no sense cause he's willing to start rookies just about everywhere else.

 

 

[newcam2012]

19 minutes ago, BlazinBill said:

I mean I love Singletary and openly welcome him back at a friendly deal- no one is paying him any crazy money so sure-

I absolutely disagree with your take on Cook - do you remember Singletary early in his career? He definitely didn't have the flash that Cook has- Cook has an explosive aspect to him and absolutely is why they drafted him-

The concern I do have with him, is can he step up and block when needed. That is huge and a need to be successful in any offense but if he can he's the guy without question.

Not sure why your seeing what you are and maybe we just have different takes - definitely cool if we do - I just don't see how you aren't seeing that it factor from him. He has a gear and shiftiness that if Singletary had the Bills wouldn't be constantly be looking to bring more guys in.

 

I think you are misintepreting what I've said. I do see Cook's explosiveness and quickness. I also see him missing blocks, missing gaps, and mistakes in the passing game between him and Allen. He's young, learning, and not as dependable as Singletary. No doubt Cook can be used and should be used in the Bills offense. He brings another dimension to the offense. I just don't think he's ready to step in as the starter.  Motor is not as explosive but he's more experienced and dependable. Thus, imho he deserves to be the starting RB this year. Next year is a whole other discussion. I trust the Bill's staff will continue to use their RBs effectively. The call for Cook to become the starter is too premature and not warranted imho. That's really my point. 

[newcam2012]

13 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 That "6 game sample size" produced a top 10 placing for big runs by RBs this year. What were the things Singletary places top 10 in RBs again? It appears you forgot to include it in your last post.

 

 The only reason he isn't starting is cause McDermott always starts veterans WRs & RBs over rookies. Which makes absolutely no sense cause he's willing to start rookies just about everywhere else.

 

 

I mean how did you think Singletary played today? Is a 33 yard TD run not good enough for you? Or 106 yard running? I'd say that's a pretty effective pay day for Motor. Do you remember how he was running around this time last year? Could he be on his way to doing it again? Why would you change the dynamics of the running game now? 

[AuntieEm]

4 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

If this type of run game is sustainable,  our O would be literally unstoppable!!

 

   It is sustainable if you get the talent to build a solid oline that can run block and pass protect as needed by the play being called.  That's to get the Bills to become the perennial powerhouse they can be with Josh Allen as the franchise.  Keep him protected and given dependable weapons that will get us into playoffs consistently and as you pointed out Allen seems to thrive on primezime.  He's become very clutch and that sometimes gets him into trouble with ints or even a fumble but those mental slips and his talent do allow for him to jump over and past the mistakes he has made because as he's beating himself up on the sidelines after it seems to help him regain his focus and once he's in his zone he is hard to stop.   I can live with the mistakes when the payoff when he's on is what we all enjoy watching.  Even other players past and current love watching him play.  So they just need to build that wall in front of him and the Bills would indeed be unstoppable.  

 

 

Edited December 25, 2022 by AuntieEm

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

10 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I mean how did you think Singletary played today? Is a 33 yard TD run not good enough for you? Or 106 yard running? I'd say that's a pretty effective pay day for Motor. Do you remember how he was running around this time last year? Could he be on his way to doing it again? Why would you change the dynamics of the running game now? 

 

 Yes, he had a good game as I said before I'm still a fan of Singletary. But come on, today's game was the furthest thing from a normal Singletary game as there is. In his 60th career game in Buffalo he notched his 3rd career 100 yard game. That's brutal for a guy that has been the featured back for most of his 4 years here. He's had plenty of time, he hasn't produced like a starter. Quit while you're ahead, as they say, there are no numbers that support starting Singletary over Cook.

 

 

 

Edited December 25, 2022 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Phillips shoulder is still injured.

 

I was watching for him and he only played a handful of snaps.

 

He took himself out early on a routine tackle, and on that TFL in the 4th he checked himself out immediately.

 

He was wearing a brace. 

Yep, it looked to me like he re-injured his shoulder. He probably thought it was healed enough to give it a go, but when he extended it on that one play, you could tell it was really painful.

 

Unfortunately, he’ll probably miss the Cincy game based on how that looked. Hope I’m wrong.

 

[Norcalbillsfan]

Is Gabe still not 100%? Watching it live it felt like Gabe was looking kinda slow. Then I rewatched the game kinda focusing on him more, he looked like he was giving 70% today. If you watch some scrambles and broken plays, Gabe runs his route and just stops and is just standing there while josh is scrambling. Kinda frustrating when you see guys like tyreek and kelce that are elite at finding space on scrambles and pick up back breaking first downs and then you got Gabe just standing there not really working to get into space to help josh. I hope it's that he's just not 100% yet and not an effort thing.

[Nelius]

Late shout out to Leslie Frazier for completely dismantling Justin Fields' running game. 11 yards. His worst rushing game of the season.

 

Frazier has shown a late season knack for nullifying the best offensive talent - did it to Chubb, did it to Hill, now Fields. He's got his flaws and this wasn't always the case earlier, but this defense has shown recently that they can completely quiet the top offensive force on the team. Very important down the pipe considering Travis Kelce, JaMarr Chase, Henry, etc. 

[newcam2012]

49 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Yes, he had a good game as I said before I'm still a fan of Singletary. But come on, today's game was the furthest thing from a normal Singletary game as there is. In his 60th career game in Buffalo he notched his 3rd career 100 yard game. That's brutal for a guy that has been the featured back for most of his 4 years here. He's had plenty of time, he hasn't produced like a starter. Quit while you're ahead, as they say, there are no numbers that support starting Singletary over Cook.

 

 

 

It's not all about the numbers. Other factors are in play. More specifically, experience, team chemistry, rapport, and reliability to name a few. All in which Singletary has the clear edge. Yet, you refuse to see it. Like I said before your numbers are too small of a sample size. We don't even know what kind of workload the guy can handle. He's light in the ass and even in college he wasn't the featured back. He has a lot to prove in regards to handling a large workload.

 

The playoffs are a whole different animal. No way am I trusting Cook to being the starting RB. He's too young and unproven. Too risky imho. I'd even argue that Hines is equally explosive and dynamic or close to it. 

[BIGBOY]

9 hours ago, Fixxxer said:

We found our running Game. Josh needs to settle down at times and take the easy completion. 

The D was superb containing Fields.

Keep underwear on! He was taking the easy completions. His mechanics were bad today. Flat footed and not stepping into his throws. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

18 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It's not all about the numbers. Other factors are in play. More specifically, experience, team chemistry, rapport, and reliability to name a few. All in which Singletary has the clear edge. Yet, you refuse to see it. Like I said before your numbers are too small of a sample size. We don't even know what kind of workload the guy can handle. He's light in the ass and even in college he wasn't the featured back. He has a lot to prove in regards to handling a large workload.

 

The playoffs are a whole different animal. No way am I trusting Cook to being the starting RB. He's too young and unproven. Too risky imho. I'd even argue that Hines is equally explosive and dynamic or close to it. 

 

 It's ok. You can have your beliefs and I can have mine. We don't happen to agree on the particular subject and I don't think either of us are changing our minds on this.😂 But I think we can both agree it appears we have 2 fine RBs rounding into form right as the playoffs approach. It's a good problem to have when you're having a discussion on which 2 RBs have been playing better and deserve to start. It's getting late. Merry Christmas my Bills brother!! And GO BILLS!!!