Niagara Bill Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Bill your choices are not even set up correct, each one is from an extreme leftist viewpoint. You think gun rights cost minorities their rights? You think that climate change will be solved by politicians? You think people are either for social programs or for a balanced budget? The fact that think you think these are opinions from the middle is why leftist whackos are dominating the Democrat party. A normal person wants minorites to have every right I do in every way, a balanced budget that takes care of the most vulnerable with efficiency, and politicians are not enriched by "climate change" when they don't actually help at all No gun rights is a right wing fight to keep.nra. No leftist wants a balanced budget, just spend. Leftist politicians think they can solve the climate issue, through legislation and taxes, right wing believes this is wrong. Seriously....THINK. I asked, when did extremes take over both parties, even in Canada. Who is middle of the road? NOBODY with power. They are owned by extremes! When and why.Was Reagan the last Pres to be Prez for all citizens. Trump hates dems. Dems hate repubs. Same in Canada. I cannot even vote for conservative party because of extreme views and voting for libs is impossible because they think taxes and legislation solve every problem redistribution of others wealth. Oh well, I tried to be clear but English to American it gets lost. 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: It isn’t complicated. Conservative leaning people want to see things stay as they are. Progressive leaning people are generally interested in seeing things change. It’s been the same for decades. What’s happening now (in my opinion) is that the progressives are getting into some areas that were historically not considered even up for debate and conservatives are saying ‘what now’? I’m sure the same debate raged over topics that our grandparents would’ve never thought possible. Roll with it. In Canada the party was actually called progressive conservatives. In Ontario they ruled for 40+ years. Controlled the middle and we flourished 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It's the demographic shift with whites heading towards being just another minority. GOP is in freak out mode over nothing. So only whites are conservatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 At the end of the day both parties are just arguing that the extremes of the opposition are taking over. The irony is most of us in this forum are pretty close to the middle (excepting the fear mongering conspiracy theorists). You've got more knuckleheads threatening violence and civil war than before but that could just be my perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: No gun rights is a right wing fight to keep.nra. No leftist wants a balanced budget, just spend. Leftist politicians think they can solve the climate issue, through legislation and taxes, right wing believes this is wrong. Seriously....THINK. I asked, when did extremes take over both parties, even in Canada. Who is middle of the road? NOBODY with power. They are owned by extremes! When and why.Was Reagan the last Pres to be Prez for all citizens. Trump hates dems. Dems hate repubs. Same in Canada. I cannot even vote for conservative party because of extreme views and voting for libs is impossible because they think taxes and legislation solve every problem redistribution of others wealth. Oh well, I tried to be clear but English to American it gets lost. In Canada the party was actually called progressive conservatives. In Ontario they ruled for 40+ years. Controlled the middle and we flourished So only whites are conservatives? What would you say the percentage of conservatives are white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It's the demographic shift with whites heading towards being just another minority. GOP is in freak out mode over nothing. So instead of embracing diversity and growing their base - these idiots are doubling down on domestic terrorism and inciting a civil war by proactively alienating and erasing blacks, women, LGTBQ, and anyone who doesn’t suck the BIG LIE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What would you say the percentage of conservatives are white? Not sure what a conservative is today. If you say conservative, today it is an extreme position of anti abortion, guns, immigration, dictatorship dreams, lies, With little time for social issues. If it is fical conservative, I would say whites, asians are 55 45 split. Many poor whites were once dems, today many if them changed teams as issues become more extreme. Blacks would be 25, 75 fiscal conservatives, and Hispanics similar percentage. IMHO. No source except perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Just now, Niagara Bill said: Not sure what a conservative is today. If you say conservative, today it is an extreme position of anti abortion, guns, immigration, dictatorship dreams, lies, With little time for social issues. No source except perception. Wow this is incredibly myopic. You seriously need to re-evaluate that nonsense. Get out and meet more people. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, BillStime said: So instead of embracing diversity and growing their base - these idiots are doubling down on domestic terrorism and inciting a civil war by proactively alienating and erasing blacks, women, LGTBQ, and anyone who doesn’t suck the BIG LIE. Cannot agree. I don't see real moderate conservatives as being anti Lgtbq, or anti woman, or anti black. Extremers...yes but not majority. But it is easy to be anti certain culture norms like drug, gangs, anti family etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Cannot agree. I don't see real moderate conservatives as being anti Lgtbq, or anti woman, or anti black. Extremers...yes but not majority. But it is easy to be anti certain culture norms like drug, gangs, anti family etc It’s all or nothing with the cult. Rhinos will soon be voting with the Democrats. And… As you can see from the recipes above - the cult is getting exacerbated having to defend the indefensible. Edited May 24, 2022 by BillStime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said: No gun rights is a right wing fight to keep.nra. No leftist wants a balanced budget, just spend. Leftist politicians think they can solve the climate issue, through legislation and taxes, right wing believes this is wrong. Seriously....THINK. I asked, when did extremes take over both parties, even in Canada. Who is middle of the road? NOBODY with power. You are telling me to THINK but somehow don't see the right to self defense as a moderate issue, a balanced budget as a moderate issue, and don't realize how insane it is to believe politicians will fix the environment through punishing legislation for our citizens when China and India pollute far more than we do. I am informed and don't like Republicans truly but the Dems are completely wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You are telling me to THINK but somehow don't see the right to self defense as a moderate issue, a balanced budget as a moderate issue, and don't realize how insane it is to believe politicians will fix the environment through punishing legislation for our citizens when China and India pollute far more than we do. I am informed and don't like Republicans truly but the Dems are completely wrong Ok BT. I am not trying to tell you anything. Only asking the question. Extreme political positions and extremists have taken over the politics of US and Canada. Why. What was the catalyst. Campaign finance? Why are leaders listening to these extremes? We know that any member of NRA is never voting dem. So why worry about pleasing them if you are republican? Is it money? As I said, Reagan could not get elected today...he was too middle ground, he did try to govern for all citizens. Not possible today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Geez people! Conservative means you are generally resistant to change and risk . Progressive means you are generally pushing for change and less resistant to risk. The terms have little or nothing to do with the daily blather being spouted on this message board. Skin color and sexual orientation are not exclusive to either conservatives or progressives, no matter what the elites try and brainwash the masses into thinking. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Gerrymandering congressional districts means that we elect more extreme candidates because they don't even bother to pretend representing people in their district from the other political party. This is a big one. The percentage of House districts that are truly competitive has been in decline for a long time. When your representative doesn't have to moderate his or her views even a little bit in order to get reelected, you get what we've got now. And it's not going to change anytime soon - political consultants are really, really good now at slicing a dicing the map by census tract until they've chosen the voters they want. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/feb/12/us-redistricting-house-seats-safe-competitive-districts Ooh, liberal pub, I must disregard that! Well how about "ooh, Rupert Murdoch owned pub says the same thing" https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-political-maps-will-kill-swing-districts-from-coast-to-coast-11639305003 We've diagnosed the problem, but it doesn't appear fixable - that would require the people in charge, those that benefit from their safe seats, to take action against their own interests. I am still hanging onto my generally optimistic view of America's proven ability to sooner or later fix things: "the thing about things that can't go on like this forever is that they don't." But it's getting awfully hard to keep the faith ... Edited May 24, 2022 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: This is a big one. The percentage of House districts that are truly competitive has been in decline for a long time. When your representative doesn't have to moderate his or her views even a little bit in order to get reelected, you get what we've got now. And it's not going to change anytime soon - political consultants are really, really good now at slicing a dicing the map by census tract until they've chosen the voters they want. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/feb/12/us-redistricting-house-seats-safe-competitive-districts Ooh, liberal pub, I must disregard that! Well how about "ooh, Rupert Murdoch owned pub says the same thing" https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-political-maps-will-kill-swing-districts-from-coast-to-coast-11639305003 We've diagnosed the problem, but it doesn't appear fixable - that would require the people in charge, those that benefit from their safe seats, to take action against their own interests. I am still hanging onto my generally optimistic view of America's proven ability to sooner or later fix things: "the thing about things that can't go on like this forever is that they don't." But it's getting awfully hard to keep the faith ... So you are saying politicians are generally greedy scumbags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 43 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: So you are saying politicians are generally greedy scumbags? Greedy and self centered? 90% Scumbags? 50% [looks up old probability and stats text] So both greedy and a scumbag: a mere 45% see, I told you there’s still reason for optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 We've gone well past the point of no return. There's no reaching across the aisle to compromise anymore. The left has gone off the deep end. The right has largely stood still. Those of us in the middle understand the difference and aren't left with the giant turd vs. ***** sandwich dilemma of the past few decades. The left has become the giant turd quadruple decker ***** sandwich rolled into one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: We've gone well past the point of no return. There's no reaching across the aisle to compromise anymore. The left has gone off the deep end. The right has largely stood still. Those of us in the middle understand the difference and aren't left with the giant turd vs. ***** sandwich dilemma of the past few decades. The left has become the giant turd quadruple decker ***** sandwich rolled into one. Ladies and Gentleman - irony is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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