Health care costs

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-10/column-healthcare-billing-markups

 

 

[T master]

14 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-10/column-healthcare-billing-markups

 

 

 I'd really love to read this article but i don't want to have to join a club or pay to do so . Just saying ...

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

16 minutes ago, T master said:

 I'd really love to read this article but i don't want to have to join a club or pay to do so . Just saying ...

 

 

[T master]

15 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

 

 

Thank you very much for the video  !! I totally agree medical cost is such a rip off ! 

 

I had a friend years ago the was going to have a operation on his neck area to repair a vertebrae (for the sake of conversation) his insurance price for the op was going to be like $20k he asked the Dr. if he paid cash what it would cost the Dr. said around half because of the insurance people marking it up for paper work. 

 

My brother had brain cancer & he had to have multiple MRI's he got the bill & it was something like $18k a piece and he had 4 in 1 month i get it the equipment is expensive but Dammit ...

 

Then when you factor in that the gov't allows cancer causing chemicals to be used in our country every single day and by stopping these chemicals such as Round up or other wise known in other forms as Agent orange and then the sweeteners used in all kinds of soft drinks cancer could more than likely be much less in the world.

 

But lets keep them sick with all this crap so the $$ wheel can continue to spin & medical costs can stay high and big pharma can continue to flourish & put back door monies into our politicians pockets or should i say campaigns .

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Thank you very much for the video  !! I totally agree medical cost is such a rip off ! 

 

I had a friend years ago the was going to have a operation on his neck area to repair a vertebrae (for the sake of conversation) his insurance price for the op was going to be like $20k he asked the Dr. if he paid cash what it would cost the Dr. said around half because of the insurance people marking it up for paper work. 

 

My brother had brain cancer & he had to have multiple MRI's he got the bill & it was something like $18k a piece and he had 4 in 1 month i get it the equipment is expensive but Dammit ...

 

Then when you factor in that the gov't allows cancer causing chemicals to be used in our country every single day and by stopping these chemicals such as Round up or other wise known in other forms as Agent orange and then the sweeteners used in all kinds of soft drinks cancer could more than likely be much less in the world.

 

But lets keep them sick with all this crap so the $$ wheel can continue to spin & medical costs can stay high and big pharma can continue to flourish & put back door monies into our politicians pockets or should i say campaigns .

 

 

Ever see one of those medivac helicopters land on the highway to take somebody to the hospital after a bad car crash?  Wonder how much that costs?  It's all out of network.  You can send your kid to college for a couple years for less than the price of one ride to the hospital. 

The US health care system is one big cost maximizing racket from one end to the other end of the care system.  Doctors, lawyers, and administrators make out well.  Nurses and other health care workers not so much.  And somebody's got to pay for two Tesla's, a nice Summer time getaway home, those country club memberships, and tennis lessons for the six year old.  

 

[T master]

8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Ever see one of those medivac helicopters land on the highway to take somebody to the hospital after a bad car crash?  Wonder how much that costs?  It's all out of network.  You can send your kid to college for a couple years for less than the price of one ride to the hospital. 

The US health care system is one big cost maximizing racket from one end to the other end of the care system.  Doctors, lawyers, and administrators make out well.  Nurses and other health care workers not so much.  And somebody's got to pay for two Tesla's, a nice Summer time getaway home, those country club memberships, and tennis lessons for the six year old.  

 

 

Actually yes i have my cousin was hit on his motorcycle by a young girl that took a cousins car & because she was not allowed or didn't ask to take the vehicle & was higher than hawks feet my cousin couldn't get his insurance to cover it and couldn't sue the girl because she had no insurance .

 

So he had to pay for the helicopter and even though his insurance company did sue the car owners insurance they had a cap on it for what ever reason so he wound up paying for a lot of the cost out of his own pocket due to no fault of his .

 

Also they are not into curing you of disease that's why it's called a "Healthcare Practice" .

Edited December 13, 2021 by T master

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Ever see one of those medivac helicopters land on the highway to take somebody to the hospital after a bad car crash?  Wonder how much that costs?  It's all out of network.  You can send your kid to college for a couple years for less than the price of one ride to the hospital. 

The US health care system is one big cost maximizing racket from one end to the other end of the care system.  Doctors, lawyers, and administrators make out well.  Nurses and other health care workers not so much.  And somebody's got to pay for two Tesla's, a nice Summer time getaway home, those country club memberships, and tennis lessons for the six year old.  

 

Wooo...you are totally correct on the cost of a chopper ride, but that's because they are expensive as hell to operate. The paramedic on the scene has to make a snap decision to either go slow and not have a huge charge for the injured person or if they can't wait save their lives by a super expensive flight. That's no ones fault, just how it is 

[T master]

I do know that before the "Affordable Health Care act" was implemented i was looking at buying insurance & the insurance that i was looking at getting was $280 a month & after the bill was passed the exact same coverage with in the program was $600+a month  . 🤔

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, T master said:

I do know that before the "Affordable Health Care act" was implemented i was looking at buying insurance & the insurance that i was looking at getting was $280 a month & after the bill was passed the exact same coverage with in the program was $600+a month  . 🤔

And I’ll bet you couldn’t keep your doctor either. 

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, T master said:

I do know that before the "Affordable Health Care act" was implemented i was looking at buying insurance & the insurance that i was looking at getting was $280 a month & after the bill was passed the exact same coverage with in the program was $600+a month  . 🤔

When my wife had my 16 year old son she did not work a year and we got an insurance plan that cost $125 a month for her and him that was literally for only emergency type events. We negotiated a rate with our pediatrician and her doctor before hand to make sure they were fully able to be seen for normal things. That kind of thing does not exist anymore as far as I can tell.

[LeviF]

My medivac ride in 2009 was $16k fwiw.  Not sure how much it’s gone up since then. 
 

Rising health care costs are just the result of the current insurance racket, which the ACA did nothing to solve. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

47 minutes ago, LeviF said:

My medivac ride in 2009 was $16k fwiw.  Not sure how much it’s gone up since then. 
 

Rising health care costs are just the result of the current insurance racket, which the ACA did nothing to solve. 

It seems to me the unfortunate reality is that most citizens view the availability of quality, low cost, low out of pocket health insurance as a high priority, but the willingness to pay for same as very low on their list. 
 

Insurance can and should work, but in our system, it is set up to fail (or at least not work well for many, many, many people). 

[T master]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

When my wife had my 16 year old son she did not work a year and we got an insurance plan that cost $125 a month for her and him that was literally for only emergency type events. We negotiated a rate with our pediatrician and her doctor before hand to make sure they were fully able to be seen for normal things. That kind of thing does not exist anymore as far as I can tell.

 

And i would imagine it is due to the implementation of the "Affordable Health Care Act" you also use to be able to go get insurance when ever you wanted to but now with every type of health insurance you have to sign up on certain dates only & if you miss it oh well tough S**T on you .

 

Again another great thing that was brought on by a past administration that was going to be so transparent but slammed that bill through before anyone could get a chance to read it let alone understand what was in it ...

[LeviF]

3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It seems to me the unfortunate reality is that most citizens view the availability of quality, low cost, low out of pocket health insurance as a high priority, but the willingness to pay for same as very low on their list. 
 

Insurance can and should work, but in our system, it is set up to fail (or at least not work well for many, many, many people). 

That’s not even the biggest issue. 
 

Insurance has to keep going up because it subsidizes all the no-work jobs in the health “care” industry. There’s a graph out there comparing hospital admin job numbers growth compared to medical doctors. Guess which line is exponential and which line is flat. 

[Chef Jim]

On 12/18/2021 at 10:58 AM, LeviF said:

My medivac ride in 2009 was $16k fwiw.  Not sure how much it’s gone up since then. 
 

Rising health care costs are just the result of the current insurance racket, which the ACA did nothing to solve. 

 

I had been saying all along during the ACA debates that ACA didn't even come close to addressing the problem.  

 

And don't get me started on Medicare.......😡

22 hours ago, T master said:

 

And i would imagine it is due to the implementation of the "Affordable Health Care Act" you also use to be able to go get insurance when ever you wanted to but now with every type of health insurance you have to sign up on certain dates only & if you miss it oh well tough S**T on you .

 

Again another great thing that was brought on by a past administration that was going to be so transparent but slammed that bill through before anyone could get a chance to read it let alone understand what was in it ...

 

I'm semi-retiring next month.  My comp will only be one paycheck a month.  We switched carriers and they deduct premiums two paychecks not one. So they will have to invoice me every month and I'll have to pay that second premium by check or hopefully ACH.  If for some reason I miss one premium they dump me and I have zero insurance until open enrollment.  What a mess that is.  I told the firm I am likely not the only person only getting comp one paycheck a month. They said they are looking into a "fix".   You mean you didn't think of this?  

[BillStime]

We just experienced the greatest, most accomplished and competent presidential administration who promised everything under the sun and delivered:

 

‘INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY’

‘NO ONE WILL LOSE COVERAGE’

‘NOBODY WILL BE WORSE OFF FINANCIALLY’

‘GET RID OF ARTIFICIAL LINES’

‘NO CUTS … TO MEDICAID’

‘EVERYBODY’S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF’

 

Oh, wait, who am I kidding?

 

 

[T master]

19 hours ago, BillStime said:

We just experienced the greatest, most accomplished and competent presidential administration who promised everything under the sun and delivered:

 

‘INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY’

‘NO ONE WILL LOSE COVERAGE’

‘NOBODY WILL BE WORSE OFF FINANCIALLY’

‘GET RID OF ARTIFICIAL LINES’

‘NO CUTS … TO MEDICAID’

‘EVERYBODY’S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF’

 

Oh, wait, who am I kidding?

 

 

 

Yah that wasn't Trump making all those promises that was Barack along with the promise of Transparency so that every member of congress could read the bills prior to them being voted on then trying to get passed but that didn't work out so good they just slammed them through & no one knew what exactly was in them.

 

Hey that sounds really familiar that must have been a learned action by this POTUS .

[BillStime]

Just now, T master said:

 

Yah that wasn't Trump making all those promises that was Barack along with the promise of Transparency so that every member of congress could read the bills prior to them being voted on then trying to get passed but that didn't work out so good they just slammed them through & no one knew what exactly was in them.

 

Hey that sounds really familiar that must have been a learned action by this POTUS .

Those were all Trump quotes precious - lmao

 

He promised the world and delivered nothing 

[T master]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

Those were all Trump quotes precious - lmao

 

He promised the world and delivered nothing 

 

Sounds awfully familiar to the same promises that Barack made and failed miserably at .

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 12/18/2021 at 1:58 PM, LeviF said:

My medivac ride in 2009 was $16k fwiw.  Not sure how much it’s gone up since then. 
 

Rising health care costs are just the result of the current insurance racket, which the ACA did nothing to solve. 

That’s who wrote the ACA… blantent example of good intentions being usurped by crooked corrupt politicians in broad daylight. 

[BillStime]

23 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Sounds awfully familiar to the same promises that Barack made and failed miserably at .

And that’s why Trump and the GQP spent all their time trying to tear about Obamacare and not focus on the much promised Trump Care.

 

He failed at both and you were conned again.
 

LMAO

[T master]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

And that’s why Trump and the GQP spent all their time trying to tear about Obamacare and not focus on the much promised Trump Care.

 

He failed at both and you were conned again.
 

LMAO

 

But one good thing is its not being slammed down your throat weather you want it or not like the socialist do it & again if you decide you don't want to have health care in general your not getting punished for not having it like a common criminal .

 

But that is the way socialism works . Also there are some great left overs from it health care cost is more than double what it was prior to the "Affordable Health Care act" and you can no longer just go get health care when ever you want to it has to be in the given time slots allowed so all of the socialist outlines for the program Trump didn't get rid of .

[BillStime]

16 minutes ago, T master said:

 

But one good thing is its not being slammed down your throat weather you want it or not like the socialist do it & again if you decide you don't want to have health care in general your not getting punished for not having it like a common criminal .

 

But that is the way socialism works . Also there are some great left overs from it health care cost is more than double what it was prior to the "Affordable Health Care act" and you can no longer just go get health care when ever you want to it has to be in the given time slots allowed so all of the socialist outlines for the program Trump didn't get rid of .

So Trump had four years to fix it - what happened?

[T master]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

So Trump had four years to fix it - what happened?

 

I don't know but seeing as it took 8 to screw it up maybe he just needed more time .

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

So Trump had four years to fix it - what happened?

Once again you prove that you simply don't know how ANYTHING works. Trump was the President....not the Congress.  There's a difference.  

[BillStime]

37 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Once again you prove that you simply don't know how ANYTHING works. Trump was the President....not the Congress.  There's a difference.  

So Trump prioritized tax cuts and not Trump care. Got it.

[SoCal Deek]

42 minutes ago, BillStime said:

So Trump prioritized tax cuts and not Trump care. Got it.

Once again you don’t ‘have it’. Go back to civics class…the bell rang years ago! 

[BillStime]

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Once again you don’t ‘have it’. Go back to civics class…the bell rang years ago! 

Oh I get it - Trump said he would get it done and failed.

 

 

[Chef Jim]

7 hours ago, BillStime said:

So Trump had four years to fix it - what happened?

So ACA is broken?

 

Now you’re getting it. 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So ACA is broken?

 

Now you’re getting it. 

So where is Trump Care?

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

Oh I get it - Trump said he would get it done and failed.

 

 

Once again….you STILL don’t know how anything works in this country. You claim to be a Bills fan but I’m guessing you’re either not American or too young to have taken any of these classes in school. Maybe you can take a course at the local community center. It can’t be that expensive. Maybe you can get a paper route to pay for it. Or…just ask your mom. 

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Once again….you STILL don’t know how anything works in this country. You claim to be a Bills fan but I’m guessing you’re either not American or too young to have taken any of these classes in school. Maybe you can take a course at the local community center. It can’t be that expensive. Maybe you can get a paper route to pay for it. Or…just ask your mom. 

LMAO - Conald the Great promised to end ACA and launch Trump Care but couldn’t deliver on his campaign promises. Not my fault he didn’t have the support from either party.  
 

Don’t take your gullibility and ignorance out of me because Trump couldn’t deliver.

 

😘

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

LMAO - Conald the Great promised to end ACA and launch Trump Care but couldn’t deliver on his campaign promises. Not my fault he didn’t have the support from either party.  
 

Don’t take your gullibility and ignorance out of me because Trump couldn’t deliver.

 

😘

Good night Hilary

 

[Chef Jim]

42 minutes ago, BillStime said:

So where is Trump Care?

You said he had 4 years to fix it.  So ACA is broken?  Why is it broken?  What’s wrong with it?

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

You said he had 4 years to fix it.  So ACA is broken?  Why is it broken?  What’s wrong with it?

 

 

Oh gee, I wonder... The ACA was signed into law by a black guy and racist Trump and his cult tried everything in their power to destroy it.

 

 

Obamacare is not perfect... but unlike Trump, it is still here.

 

Idiots

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

48 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Oh gee, I wonder... The ACA was signed into law by a black guy and racist Trump and his cult tried everything in their power to destroy it.

 

 

Obamacare is not perfect... but unlike Trump, it is still here.

 

Idiots

 

 

When all else fails…bring out the Nazi cartoons and call everyone a racist. Classic! 

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

When all else fails…bring out the Nazi cartoons and call everyone a racist. Classic! 

 

Oh, I hit a nerve. Too bad, delta delta delta. Truth hurts.

 

[SoCal Deek]

8 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Oh, I hit a nerve. Too bad, delta delta delta. Truth hurts.

 

You are clearly under the false impression that because someone calls you out as being an immature arsehole that it means you ‘hit a nerve’ or ‘triggered’ them. Nope. We’re all just making an observation based on truth. See how that is? Once again you’ve proven that you don’t know how anything works.

[BillStime]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

You are clearly under the false impression that because someone calls you out as being an immature arsehole that it means you ‘hit a nerve’ or ‘triggered’ them. Nope. We’re all just making an observation based on truth. See how that is? Once again you’ve proven that you don’t know how anything works.

Spin it however you want Tri Delt but lets not sugarcoat why Trump was adamant in destroying the ACA.

 

How did birtherism work out for Trump?

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Spin it however you want Tri Delt but lets not sugarcoat why Trump was adamant in destroying the ACA.

 

How did birtherism work out for Trump?

 

 

So in your mad genius basement laboratory you believe the ONLY reason why anyone would want to get rid of the ‘ACA’ is because it’s nickname refers to a half black man who signed the final paperwork? 😂😂😂😂