SoCal Deek Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup, that was his excuse for doing what Putin wanted Putin wanted NATO to be more fiscally stable? Okie Dokie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Putin plans to 'starve much of the developing world,' Yale historian says Putin could generate a wave of refugees into the EU Russian President Vladimir Putin is planning to force the West to end its sanctions by causing a widespread famine, Yale historian Timothy Snyder argues. Snyder, a Levin professor of history at Yale University, pointed to Russia's ongoing blockade of Ukrainian grain, which shows no signs of stopping. Ukraine is a major global producer of grain, supplying mainly Middle Eastern and Asian countries. Snyder argues that Putin's plan is not only to destabilize Ukraine by cutting off exports but also destabilize the European Union by generating "refugees from North Africa and the Middle East, areas usually fed by Ukraine." https://www.foxnews.com/world/putin-starve-world-ukraine-grain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Putin wanted NATO to be more fiscally stable? Okie Dokie Trump was right. Europe should pay more. Why should Americans work and pay taxes that go to the defense of Europe when people in countries like France take the month of August off and the entire country more or less shuts down for "vacation". I say let them work the extra 4 weeks, generate some GDP, pay taxes and fund their own defense, and give us, American workers, the month of August off. Protection isn't free. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 You're a moron, or a lib, if you think that Trump wanted to get rid of NATO. No he knew they all needed the US and a threat to pull us out was all that would suffice to get them to pony up more money. And it worked. Again, not that NATO has anything at all to do with Ukraine (other than Biden's refusal to say Ukraine wouldn't be admitted to it would have prevented war). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Putin wanted NATO to be more fiscally stable? Okie Dokie You are such an idiot. Ignore list time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 The video is intense. War in a civilian area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: You are such an idiot. Ignore list time? Don't you see the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 9 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Trump was right. Europe should pay more. Why should Americans work and pay taxes that go to the defense of Europe when people in countries like France take the month of August off and the entire country more or less shuts down for "vacation". I say let them work the extra 4 weeks, generate some GDP, pay taxes and fund their own defense, and give us, American workers, the month of August off. Protection isn't free. It really doesn't concern you that the last time Europe got its economic and military ***** together, European countries conquered 80% of the world in about 200 years? That just *maybe* it's ok for them to freeload a bit on our dime so they *don't* reform, remilitarize and produce a new superpower for us to worry about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Just now, Coffeesforclosers said: It really doesn't concern you that the last time Europe got its economic and military ***** together, European countries conquered 80% of the world in about 200 years? That just *maybe* it's ok for them to freeload a bit on our dime so they *don't* reform, remilitarize and produce a new superpower for us to worry about? Keep out Nato partners fat and happy so THEY don't rise up and take over the world? I mean, I can see if you used the excuse that we want to keep them as a buffer between us and China/Russia, but your theory doesn't hold any water for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 54 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: It really doesn't concern you that the last time Europe got its economic and military ***** together, European countries conquered 80% of the world in about 200 years? That just *maybe* it's ok for them to freeload a bit on our dime so they *don't* reform, remilitarize and produce a new superpower for us to worry about? Not really. Empires rarely reform and return. Portugal, Spain, Britian, Germany, France, and so on have had their turns through history. And I don't see the EU or the Euro zone surviving the economic downturn and chaos that's in progress worldwide. It might split into some North/South have and have-nots situation or dissolve altogether. I expect it starts with Germans growing tired of subsidizing the southern European social welfare states as they demand more and more support as things get worse and then unwinds from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) An oligarch close to the Kremlin was recorded on a tape saying the president is ‘very ill with blood cancer.’ Is this true, idle speculation or disinformation designed to make an erratic and paranoid dictator vulnerable? Boris Karpichkov, a KGB defector to Britain (and formerly an officer of the Second Chief Directorate, specializing in counterintelligence) thinks his fellow sexagenarian ex-spy suffers from Parkinson’s disease, along with “numerous” other maladies including dementia. “He is — or at least acts — insane and obsessed by paranoia ideas,” Karpichkov told Rupert Murdoch’s Sun newspaper, comparing Putin in this respect to Stalin, who was the victim of at least one stroke. A Telegram channel called “General SVR” and purportedly helmed by a former officer from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service has stated that Putin is set to undergo surgery for an unspecified form of cancer in the near future and that while he’s on the operating table, his temporary replacement will be the grim Nikolai Patrushev, the secretary of Russia’s National Security Council, a fellow ex-KGB man and longtime director of one of its successor agencies. Patrushev, as New Lines has documented, is also one of the most hawkish ideologues of the regime. Spreading rumors of his declining health could also preempt something more catastrophic such as an order to launch a nuclear weapon, which is less likely to be carried out by military commanders on behalf of a terminally ill despot. https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/is-putin-sick-or-are-we-meant-to-think-he-is/ Putin’s right-hand man Nikolai Patrushev is more barbaric than his master Patrushev is the most influential person in the Kremlin bureaucracy and is the only person Putin trusts — to the extent he trusts anyone. The two share more than a strong professional relationship. They are friends. https://nypost.com/2022/05/07/nikolai-patrushev-putins-right-hand-man-is-even-more-barbaric/ Edited June 13, 2022 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 52 minutes ago, gobills404 said: You are just a little propaganda bot aren't you? Your target is gays, sensible gun laws and freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are just a little propaganda bot aren't you? Your target is gays, sensible gun laws and freedom Shouldn't your ire be directed at the UK Daily Mail for daring to question the narratives generated by the establishment war machine rather than the messenger here? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Shouldn't your ire be directed at the UK Daily Mail for daring to question the narratives generated by the establishment war machine rather than the messenger here? He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist? How long has it been since you have called someone a fascist? It seemed like you were doing so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist? Define fascism then explain how it applies to their post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist? You're the person consistently advocating for war so that kind of makes you the fascist. I've been clear on my views. I think the US establishment doesn't care what the outcome is here, win or lose, as long as the goal of weakening Russia is achieved. They're not interested in "saving" anyone. And if it takes Zelensky fighting the Russians down to the last soldier and civilian and than that's fine with the Washington war party. If Washington stayed out of it and left it to Ukraine, Russia, and the European States to settle the disagreements war could have easily been avoided. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, Demongyz said: Define fascism then explain how it applies to their post. Fascist, racist, white supremacist….the name calling list goes on and on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: You are just a little propaganda bot aren't you? Please point to what part of that is propaganda. I won’t hold my breath since you can’t. And 2016 called they want their bot insult back. 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist? You’re one who’s been fed propaganda to support lining the pockets of politicians and defense contractors. I thought you idiots learned that after the endless “war on terror”, but all it took was associating Putin with Trump for you to fall for it again. 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Fascist, racist, white supremacist….the name calling list goes on and on. Like a broken record Edited June 14, 2022 by gobills404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Please point to what part of that is propaganda. I won’t hold my breath since you can’t. And 2016 called they want their bot insult back. You’re one who’s been fed propaganda to support lining the pockets of politicians and defense contractors. I thought you idiots learned that after the endless “war on terror”, but all it took was associating Putin with Trump for you to fall for it again. Like a broken record Oh, we are only helping Ukraine because of defence contractors? That's stupid. You are not making a serious point. But, carry on 46 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're the person consistently advocating for war so that kind of makes you the fascist. I've been clear on my views. I think the US establishment doesn't care what the outcome is here, win or lose, as long as the goal of weakening Russia is achieved. They're not interested in "saving" anyone. And if it takes Zelensky fighting the Russians down to the last soldier and civilian and than that's fine with the Washington war party. If Washington stayed out of it and left it to Ukraine, Russia, and the European States to settle the disagreements war could have easily been avoided. You don't understand what you are talking about. You are just a bag of hot air. You want to just let Putin crush a republic and murder millions. That's pretty screwed up. Evil, even. But hey, at least our arms makers won't get some extra cash, and that will make you happy, somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: You want to just let Putin crush a republic and murder millions. That's pretty screwed up. Evil, even. But hey, at least our arms makers won't get some extra cash, and that will make you happy, somehow You seem to be more worried about Putin than actual Ukrainians are. You’re busy fear mongering online while they’re busy going to beaches, shops, and restaurants in a city that has has supposedly been “under siege”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: Oh, we are only helping Ukraine because of defence contractors? That's stupid. You are not making a serious point. But, carry on You don't understand what you are talking about. You are just a bag of hot air. You want to just let Putin crush a republic and murder millions. That's pretty screwed up. Evil, even. But hey, at least our arms makers won't get some extra cash, and that will make you happy, somehow Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about. Thanks for setting me straight. I finally understand that the US military industrial complex, or establishment, or deep state, or global empire if you please, is in reality an altruistic organization spreading good will and cheer across the globe asking nothing in return. Now I see the light. How could I possibly have thought they're a bunch of raging psychopaths intend on waging continuous war forever and have no regard for life or liberty? And what a tremendous record of success! Its just amazing how well its going for the Ukrainians compared to life before the Americans showed up on the scene in 2014. I can't wait to see which lucky country we're going to "help" next. Edited June 14, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 hours ago, gobills404 said: You seem to be more worried about Putin than actual Ukrainians are. You’re busy fear mongering online while they’re busy going to beaches, shops, and restaurants in a city that has has supposedly been “under siege”. What conclusion do you draw from people going to a beach? Do you not know that the Russians have been driven back from Kyiv? That's pretty common knowledge 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about. Thanks for setting me straight. I finally understand that the US military industrial complex, or establishment, or deep state, or global empire if you please, is in reality an altruistic organization spreading good will and cheer across the globe asking nothing in return. Now I see the light. How could I possibly have thought they're a bunch of raging psychopaths intend on waging continuous war forever and have no regard for life or liberty? And what a tremendous record of success! Its just amazing how well its going for the Ukrainians compared to life before the Americans showed up on the scene in 2014. I can't wait to see which lucky country we're going to "help" next. Your point is just really stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Top Russian security official questions whether Ukraine will 'exist on the map' in 2 years Ukraine looks to secure oil to heat homes and power businesses ahead of the winter months Ukrainian energy officials are rushing to secure natural gas supplies to heat homes and power businesses ahead of the autumn and winter months as Russia’s war continues to devastate the nation. Officials reportedly met with the Biden administration earlier this month in an attempt to secure funding for gas imports from top suppliers in the Middle East. https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-security-official-questions-ukraine-existence Putin has good timing to hurt the US and EU the most right after covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Hmmmmmm. Pope Francis says Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ Pope Francis has said Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine was “perhaps somehow provoked” as he recalled a conversation in the run-up to the war in which he was warned Nato was “barking at the gates of Russia”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-ukraine-war-provoked-russian-troops 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 12 hours ago, Tiberius said: Your point is just really stupid OK. I give up! You're lucid and ingenious response (that my point is really stupid) to what I incorrectly believed was a coherent argument has got the best of me. In the face of your overwhelming brilliance how could my argument citing the history and record of our government's propensity to engage in endless wars for almost 25 years with nothing tangible to show for it except mountains of debt, thousands of American soldiers dead, wounded, or disabled, and countless civilian deaths in almost a dozen countries have anything to do with the desire to get involved in yet another war! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: OK. I give up! You're lucid and ingenious response (that my point is really stupid) to what I incorrectly believed was a coherent argument has got the best of me. In the face of your overwhelming brilliance how could my argument citing the history and record of our government's propensity to engage in endless wars for almost 25 years with nothing tangible to show for it except mountains of debt, thousands of American soldiers dead, wounded, or disabled, and countless civilian deaths in almost a dozen countries have anything to do with the desire to get involved in yet another war! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Ukraine , Finland and Sweden are not NATO members no threat to Russia . Switzerland has historically maintained a neutral status; its army did not participate in either world war. Switzerland's defence ministry is eyeing closer co-operation with Nato in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.May 17, 2022 Now Finland and Sweden want to join NATO due to Ukraine invasion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PetermansRedemption Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Ah, another 1 billion to Ukraine. I guess Biden is content to just continue writing them a blank check. I’m fine with selling them weapons. But giving them handouts has to stop sometime, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Ah, another 1 billion to Ukraine. I guess Biden is content to just continue writing them a blank check. I’m fine with selling them weapons. But giving them handouts has to stop sometime, right? Nope, keep the money coming. Putin in cheering on your efforts though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALF Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Ukraine granted EU candidate status, first step toward membership Ukraine takes first step forward in its pursuit to join the EU https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-eu-candidate-status-membership This will cheer up a ailing Putin 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) On 6/15/2022 at 12:49 PM, Tiberius said: Nope, keep the money coming. Putin in cheering on your efforts though You personally should TOTALLY pay more in federal income tax to help Ukraine, Tibs! That would FOR SURE show Putin that you mean business! Edited June 17, 2022 by Tenhigh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: You personally should TOTALLY pay more in federal income tax to help Ukraine, Tibs! That would FOR SURE show Putin that you mean business! Sure thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Crippling sanctions!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Crippling sanctions!! The only things that this sad episode has proven is........... Ukraine Bravery Russian Stubbornness Biden Administration naivety. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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