WFT signs Curtis Samuel - 3 years, $34.5 million

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Nothing, I just watched all our shortcomings in the AFC Championship game.

So we came up short our first time in the AFCCG and since we haven’t signed a lot more players in the first 5 hours of free agency....Beane is a stiff?

 

This roster got us to 13-3 and our GM is a stiff?

16 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Also squeeked out a close one against a improving Colts team and Baltimore is always a tough matchup.....now NE also made very solid moves like it or not.

Are you looking to be negative?

 

How nervous were you when 2 years ago the Jets went hot in free agency?  Were they making very solid moves like it or not? 

[TheBeaneBandit]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So we came up short our first time in the AFCCG and since we haven’t signed a lot more players in the first 5 hours of free agency....Beane is a stiff?

 

This roster got us to 13-3 and our GM is a stiff?

Are you looking to be negative?

 

How nervous were you when 2 years ago the Jets went hot in free agency?  Were they making very solid moves like it or not? 

No man really I'm not, and I know signing 3 or 4of the big money guys doesn't mean squat. Just imo, I felt we would need (after retaining our own, which my bad, credit is due there no doubt) we would need 3 to 4 Emmanuel Sanders ( I like the move) on top of a solid draft to really have a real shot at the Lombardi. I just feel we are 3 more moves ( 5-8Mish per year) to get what we all want.

[Royale with Cheese]

45 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

No man really I'm not, and I know signing 3 or 4of the big money guys doesn't mean squat. Just imo, I felt we would need (after retaining our own, which my bad, credit is due there no doubt) we would need 3 to 4 Emmanuel Sanders ( I like the move) on top of a solid draft to really have a real shot at the Lombardi. I just feel we are 3 more moves ( 5-8Mish per year) to get what we all want.

 

Yes I wanted Watt and I want them to do something more with pass rush.  I want to upgrade tight end.   I'm not going to call our GM a stiff because he's not doing everything I would do 5 hours into free agency.  We know the guy is working.  Not every player wants to come to Buffalo.  Did you not see the article where Kyle Juszczyk admitted he didn't come to Buffalo because his GF didn't want to live there?

 

I thought when the Bills start winning, they'll be less negativity.  Guess not.

 

[stevewin]

Every time I see a WFT in a post title I first read it as WTF - and wonder what the incredulitity is about

Edited March 18, 2021 by stevewin

[TheBeaneBandit]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yes I wanted Watt and I want them to do something more with pass rush.  I want to upgrade tight end.   I'm not going to call our GM a stiff because he's not doing everything I would do 5 hours into free agency.  We know the guy is working.  Not every player wants to come to Buffalo.  Did you not see the article where Kyle Juszczyk admitted he didn't come to Buffalo because his GF didn't want to live there?

 

I thought when the Bills start winning, they'll be less negativity.  Guess not.

 

Not negative. Just see a chance to become something really special and feel a need to be a bit( not wack spending) more active. Yes we are winning now but I feel we can "win it" but we gotta go out and grab it more than we are as of right now. Maybe we can pounce "when the dust settles" but I just feel we can't count on that for certain. I'd rather take our shots at little earlier instead of hoping stuff falls into our laps later.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Not negative. Just see a chance to become something really special and feel a need to be a bit( not wack spending) more active. Yes we are winning now but I feel we can "win it" but we gotta go out and grab it more than we are as of right now. Maybe we can pounce "when the dust settles" but I just feel we can't count on that for certain. I'd rather take our shots at little earlier instead of hoping stuff falls into our laps later.

 

So you're just under the assumption we aren't taking shots because you haven't seen the internet reports?  So you think the only two players we were interested in were Haack and Sanders.  The players we didn't sign, we weren't interested in?

[BADOLBILZ]

41 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I thought when the Bills start winning, they'll be less negativity.  Guess not.

 

 

 

You take offense to an exaggeration..........then you follow with that........citing a specific example from an event 4 offseasons ago as evidence?

 

Yeah Beane is not terrible but do you think Thuney gave the SB favorite Chiefs a discount with that contract?

 

Money still talks.

 

Beane nickel and dimed the team into a tighter cap situation than a team with a QB on a rookie deal should be.

 

Done with a terrible 2018 UFA class and then a steady wave of special teams and backup player over-pays and decisions to hold onto players a year or two too long versus a year too soon.

 

Got over reliant on free agency for depth.

 

They had the fewest own-drafted and developed players of all of the playoff teams.    

 

 

[JGMcD2]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

They had the fewest own-drafted and developed players of all of the playoff teams.

Come on man... you know why this is... 

 

This is just dumb to include. It has nothing to do with this regime’s drafting or organizational philosophy and everything to do the guys before them. It is unnecessarily misleading. 
 

Now they’re retaining their own with Dawkins, White, Milano and because of that don’t have money to spend so you’re complaining about that out of one side of your mouth and then out of the other side of your mouth you complaining that they don’t have enough of their own drafted players on the roster? What do you want? 
 

Over reliant on free agency for depth... but then when they end up with depth players or non-superstars you complain because they drafted depth players... and the Bills have drafted as many if not more difference makers than any other team in the league. 
 

I’m not disputing cap space is tight.. there have been missteps... you’re consistent with that... but stay consistent with everything.

Edited March 18, 2021 by JGMcD2

[BADOLBILZ]

25 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Come on man... you know why this is... 

 

This is just dumb to include. It has nothing to do with this regime’s drafting or organizational philosophy and everything to do the guys before them. It is unnecessarily misleading. 
 

Now they’re retaining their own with Dawkins, White, Milano and because of that don’t have money to spend so you’re complaining about that out of one side of your mouth and then out of the other side of your mouth you complaining that they don’t have enough of their own drafted players on the roster? What do you want? 
 

Over reliant on free agency for depth... but then when they end up with depth players or non-superstars you complain because they drafted depth players... and the Bills have drafted as many if not more difference makers than any other team in the league. 
 

I’m not disputing cap space is tight.. there have been missteps... you’re consistent with that... but stay consistent with everything.

 

First of all.......easy with the language.........you can get flagged for less than "dumb".

 

And I do know why they are in a tight spot despite having a QB on a rookie deal.........and it's a combination of things.

 

Just some examples.........in addition to the terrible 2018 free agent class.........they've spent liberally over and over on bad backup quality OL........a bunch of special teamers that have blocked developmental spots..........underperforming former Carolina Panthers(they've burned like $30M and counting in cap space on KB and Josh Norman and Mario Addison, for instance).

 

You can look at it like......."well it's handy to have a Spencer Long around"...........but it's also why they don't have Wyatt Teller.    At some point you gotta' be able to succeed with less experienced,  expensive,  low ceiling players and use your depth positions on players who can be developed into good starters over time. 

 

Understand.........the basis for comparison isn't the worst teams in the league anymore..........the reason the other playoff teams had more home grown talent is because its hard to sustain the kind of model the Bills have used.    

 

AFC playoff teams that remain serious contenders like Tennessee, Indianapolis, Baltimore and KC have had excellent rosters for longer than the Bills........so the Bills really shouldn't have less HGT than them. 

 

I'm not assuming the Bills won't.........they have the highest paid personnel department in the league and they have a ton of continuity in those offices.......they should be PRIMED to have a great draft and UDFA and find a bunch of value in the late stages of FA.   

 

[BillsCuse]

I don't understand some of the obsession with Samuel on this board.  Yes he he has speed and is good, but still is just an average receiver.  Not worth what "The Football Team" paid - especially in our cap situation

[JGMcD2]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Understand.........the basis for comparison isn't the worst teams in the league anymore..........the reason the other playoff teams had more home grown talent is because its hard to sustain the kind of model the Bills have used.    

 

AFC playoff teams that remain serious contenders like Tennessee, Indianapolis, Baltimore and KC have had excellent rosters for longer than the Bills........so the Bills really shouldn't have less HGT than them. 

 

I'm not assuming the Bills won't.........they have the highest paid personnel department in the league and they have a ton of continuity in those offices.......they should be PRIMED to have a great draft and UDFA and find a bunch of value in the late stages of FA.   

Can you cite the homegrown talent numbers for me please? I’ve seen you reference it numerous times but I’ve never actually seen the numbers. 
 

When McDermott and Beane came in a stripped down the few remaining draft picks from the previous regime... that obviously had an impact on those numbers. Same people have been running the show in Baltimore and KC for a decade now... Tennessee and Indy never made the decision got a full blown tear down. 
 

It’s not like they’re on the same footing as Baltimore and KC when it comes to how long they’ve been competing and they took a different approach from Tennessee and Indianapolis because they were also at a different point in time... both had their “franchise QB” when McDermott and Beane arrived 4 years ago... they weren’t rebuilding. There were decent draft picks from true predecessors... guys worth holding on to... you can’t say the same about Buffalo. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by JGMcD2

[JoPoy88]

21 minutes ago, BillsCuse said:

I don't understand some of the obsession with Samuel on this board.  Yes he he has speed and is good, but still is just an average receiver.  Not worth what "The Football Team" paid - especially in our cap situation

he’s very fast and perceived as versatile - not in a sense that he’s a complete WR like Diggs for example, but because he’s useful in the running game as well.

[BillsCuse]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

he’s very fast and perceived as versatile - not in a sense that he’s a complete WR like Diggs for example, but because he’s useful in the running game as well.

Completely agree, but not worth almost $12mil a year for where we are at with our current WRs.  I would love someone like him (and we need speed)....but not at that price

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Can you cite the homegrown talent numbers for me please? I’ve seen you reference it numerous times but I’ve never actually seen the numbers. 
 

When McDermott and Beane came in a stripped down the few remaining draft picks from the previous regime... that obviously had an impact on those numbers. Same people have been running the show in Baltimore and KC for a decade now... Tennessee and Indy never made the decision got a full blown tear down. 
 

It’s not like they’re on the same footing as Baltimore and KC when it comes to how long they’ve been competing and they took a different approach from Tennessee and Indianapolis because they were also at a different point in time... both had their “franchise QB” when McDermott and Beane arrived 4 years ago... they weren’t rebuilding. There were decent draft picks from true predecessors... guys worth holding on to... you can’t say the same about Buffalo. 

 

No.  I trust the network statisticians that gave us the stat.   If you want to claim it's untrue then you are welcome to dispute their information.

 

Blaming the choice to re-tool the team the way they did for why they are up against the cap after just 4 seasons.......and without a QB on a big contract......is what you could call a "reason but not an excuse".  

 

That's when one can get into the "well if they just selected Mahomes or Watson they'd have had extra draft capital and wouldn't have needed to sign so many free agents" kinda' square-one hindsight which I don't care to do.

 

Things change fast in the NFL.......after 4 seasons and 5 offseasons........most NFL rosters are nearly completely flipped anyway.......so if they are still harmed by those 2017 and 2018 pro personnel decisions then it's not the justification that you may think it is. 

 

[JoPoy88]

9 minutes ago, BillsCuse said:

Completely agree, but not worth almost $12mil a year for where we are at with our current WRs.  I would love someone like him (and we need speed)....but not at that price

i’d agree with you I don’t think his actual production up to this point warrants that deal.

[JGMcD2]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

No.  I trust the network statisticians that gave us the stat.   If you want to claim it's untrue then you are welcome to dispute their information.

I’m not disputing the stat... I’m asking to see the stat. I’ve never seen it... I never said it’s fake or wrong... I literally just want to see it. You’ve mentioned it various times and never actually produced the source... how am I supposed to know anything about that other than taking your word... you just say “network statisticians” is that ESPN, Fox, PFF, CBS? Where can I find it to examine it myself? You can’t even tell me the source? 
 

That’s what seems odd... not the actual information itself. If you can’t provide evidence then you’re just spouting off about something with no proof... how am I supposed to believe your claim or not without seeing it for myself directly from the source? 
 

How can I dispute their information if I don’t even know where to find it? 
 

And then you won’t even cite it... that’s just you being difficult and/or irresponsible... why would you hide the information from me if I want to see it? 

Edited March 18, 2021 by JGMcD2

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You take offense to an exaggeration..........then you follow with that........citing a specific example from an event 4 offseasons ago as evidence?

 

Yeah Beane is not terrible but do you think Thuney gave the SB favorite Chiefs a discount with that contract?

 

Money still talks.

 

Beane nickel and dimed the team into a tighter cap situation than a team with a QB on a rookie deal should be.

 

Done with a terrible 2018 UFA class and then a steady wave of special teams and backup player over-pays and decisions to hold onto players a year or two too long versus a year too soon.

 

Got over reliant on free agency for depth.

 

They had the fewest own-drafted and developed players of all of the playoff teams.    

 

 

Can’t argue with that.

 

the chiefs are getting WAY more bang for their big bucks.  

 

chiefs top Non QB contracts:

Kelce- best TE

Tyreek- top 5 WR

Chris Jones- top 2-3 DT

frank Clark- top 10 DE

mathieu- top 5 S

thuney- top 5-7 G

 

bills top Non QB contracts:

tredavious-  top 5-10 cb (imo)

diggs- top 5 WR

dawkins- top 10 LT

milano- top 10-15 off ball LB

Morse- top 10ish C

Hughes- top 20-25 DE

addison - top 650 DL

 

these next couple off-seasons are ridiculously important regards to sustaining the championship aspirations for the next 5-10 years like we think we’re lined up for

 

 

 

 

 

[Boxcar]

5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yes I wanted Watt and I want them to do something more with pass rush.  I want to upgrade tight end.   I'm not going to call our GM a stiff because he's not doing everything I would do 5 hours into free agency.  We know the guy is working.  Not every player wants to come to Buffalo.  Did you not see the article where Kyle Juszczyk admitted he didn't come to Buffalo because his GF didn't want to live there?

 

I thought when the Bills start winning, they'll be less negativity.  Guess not.

 

Proof that a fanbase can become so jaded that they never recover.

[machine gun kelly]

9 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Big signing for them.

 

Now could they please find a name for themselves?

Yeah it’s WTF, I mean WFT.   Sounds like a good signing for them.  He’s solid, but for those who wanted us to take a run, that’s silly.  We already have Diggs.  If we don’t have the $ for an Edge Rusher or TE, we’re not going to spend extravagantly on one of the two deepest positions. 

[Boxcar]

11 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Big signing for them.

 

Now could they please find a name for themselves?

Idk I kind of like The Washington Football Team Football Team. I certainly prefer it to Redwolves (what the hell is a redwolf?) or Redtails. I could get behind the Washington Wolves, though. Not sure why they have to have the "red" prefix.