Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Demongyz said: It would turn to civil war when all the red parts around the large cities want to join with the red states and the blue cities realize they can't feed themselves or produce power and so on. Would get nasty pretty quick. We really just need the Federal Gov do what they are supposed to and get out of the way. Let the states do what they do. nope. other way around. blue areas currently support red areas. blue voting districts account for 75% of state and local taxes and 73% of federal tax. Edited February 21, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: nope. other way around. blue areas currently support red areas. blue voting districts account for 75% of state and local taxes and 73% of federal tax. Yes, with taxes. Too bad red areas have all the resources. Cant make all that white collar money without power, water, food, gas etc. Oh yeah, guns. Edited February 21, 2023 by Demongyz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Demongyz said: Yes, with taxes. Too bad red areas have all the resources. Cant make all that white collar money without power, water, food, gas etc. Oh yeah, guns. So you're saying the red states would refuse to sell products to the blue? How are they going to make up for all the lost "income" from social programs like welfare, food stamps and medicaid? it will be difficult for them to wean from the gov't teets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: So you're saying the red states would refuse to sell products to the blue? How are they going to make up for all the lost "income" from social programs like welfare, food stamps and medicaid? it will be difficult for them to wean from the gov't teets. It's war, starve them out, pick up the pieces. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Anyone supporting the dissolution of the United States is a traitor and should be treated as such. We may have our disagreements but the moment you start seeing your fellow Americans as the enemy is the moment you’ve betrayed the values this country was founded upon. 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Anyone supporting the dissolution of the United States is a traitor and should be treated as such. We may have our disagreements but the moment you start seeing your fellow Americans as the enemy is the moment you’ve betrayed the values this country was founded upon. i wonder what percent of the current US population believes armed revolt is appropriate now. my guess would be at least 5-10%. any wonder Justice is worried about the bad guys knowing where the cameras are in the capitol. For the record, I'm being facetious re separation of states. It is treasonous. Just pointing out the economic consequences of the idea the evil congresswomen advanced. Edited February 21, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 On 1/24/2023 at 9:31 PM, BillStime said: Absolute chit show Ha ha ha…there’s the civil war! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 ^^^^^^^^^ per unnamed sources in the daily beast^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ha ha ha…there’s the civil war! i wonder if they grabbed each other by the pu$$y... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chris farley said: ^^^^^^^^^ per unnamed sources in the daily beast^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ always prepared to clean up a MAGA mess^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 ^^^^^^^^^^ always spreading blue anon garbage and shady sources ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: i wonder if they grabbed each other by the pu$$y... They will probably both be in Trump’s campaign now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: They will probably both be in Trump’s campaign now. not sure about MTG but the other one is almost certainly XX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: not sure about MTG but the other one is almost certainly XX MTG would be for sure, she towed the line on the House Leader vote whereas Bobert didn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I've always seen the "national divorce" sort of talk as a mechanism for right-of-center Americans to vent frustration both at the current state of government AND the current state of the Republican party. That they see separation from the country as a more plausible route to government representation than overthrowing GOPe leadership. We're already seeing some trends toward decentralization in Florida, Texas, Arizona. States accelerating towards that rather than open war seems far more likely. The question is whether the federal government wishes to attempt state leadership overthrow or perhaps kill people in some fruitless attempt to stop it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, LeviF said: I've always seen the "national divorce" sort of talk as a mechanism for right-of-center Americans to vent frustration both at the current state of government AND the current state of the Republican party. That they see separation from the country as a more plausible route to government representation than overthrowing GOPe leadership. We're already seeing some trends toward decentralization in Florida, Texas, Arizona. States accelerating towards that rather than open war seems far more likely. The question is whether the federal government wishes to attempt state leadership overthrow or perhaps kill people in some fruitless attempt to stop it. in other words, they can't pick a team. Not sure they're gonna find one they agree with on the state level. If it doesn't pander to them at the expense of everyone else, it's no good. Edited February 22, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: glad that C span doesn't play in 4K Edited February 22, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 17 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Anyone supporting the dissolution of the United States is a traitor and should be treated as such. We may have our disagreements but the moment you start seeing your fellow Americans as the enemy is the moment you’ve betrayed the values this country was founded upon. Couldn’t agree more. It far better to stay married in an abusive relationship where one side calls the other side, deplorable, Neanderthal terrorists. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Couldn’t agree more. It far better to stay married in an abusive relationship where one side calls the other side, deplorable, Neanderthal terrorists. 😉 In an actual divorce, it's possible to go separate ways. With MAGA vs the rest of us, that doesn't seem very possible, mostly due to geography. Maybe Marge should lead MAGA in a takeover of Canada or Mexico. It's a treasonous sentiment, regardless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, Gene Frenkle said: In an actual divorce, it's possible to go separate ways. With MAGA vs the rest of us, that doesn't seem very possible, mostly due to geography. Maybe Marge should lead MAGA in a takeover of Canada or Mexico. It's a treasonous sentiment, regardless. She’s a clown. But pointing to her as having coming out of nowhere is naive. She’s a product of my earlier post. You can’t keep calling people worthless trash without them eventually taking offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: She’s a clown. But pointing to her as having coming out of nowhere is naive. She’s a product of my earlier post. You can’t keep calling people worthless trash without them eventually taking offense. She's powerful right now, and dangerous. I want to preface this by saying that I'm not calling her Hitler: Hitler was considered a clown as well, until he wasn't. Just because she's a clown, doesn't mean she should just be ignored and left to put on her clown show unchecked. This latest GOP Nazi vibe is getting a bit unnerving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: She's powerful right now, and dangerous. I want to preface this by saying that I'm not calling her Hitler: Hitler was considered a clown as well, until he wasn't. Just because she's a clown, doesn't mean she should just be ignored and left to put on her clown show unchecked. This latest GOP Nazi vibe is getting a bit unnerving. She’s a clown. Period. Relax Gene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, SoCal Deek said: She’s a clown. Period. Relax Gene. Right, just ignore it. Will do, thanks. Sounds like a good plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: Right, just ignore it. Will do, thanks. Sounds like a good plan. The democrats have their own lunatic fringe in the House. Again, most folks just ignore them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiGoose Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Couldn’t agree more. It far better to stay married in an abusive relationship where one side calls the other side, deplorable, Neanderthal terrorists. 😉 That’s an absolutely ridiculous comparison and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, ChiGoose said: That’s an absolutely ridiculous comparison and you know it. Sure Goose. You must be right. You’re always right….in your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: in other words, they can't pick a team. Not sure they're gonna find one they agree with on the state level. If it doesn't pander to them at the expense of everyone else, it's no good. They’ll still vote republican. They just won’t enjoy it. Their options are either A. All the leftist policies they hate at the speed of light or B. All the leftist policies they hate at the speed of sound. The “third parties” are all bad. Green Party full of nuts, lolbertarian party’s big draw is teenagers and most of them can’t vote. 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: That’s an absolutely ridiculous comparison and you know it. Because the Hitler comparison is so apt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Sure Goose. You must be right. You’re always right….in your mind. Divorces in abusive relationships don’t usually end in an actual war. What is being proposed here would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Divorces in abusive relationships don’t usually end in an actual war. What is being proposed here would. You’re a reasonable guy Goose. Did you REALLY think that elected officials could call American citizens every name in the book, and it NOT end up with some people getting REALLY pissed off? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You’re a reasonable guy Goose. Did you REALLY think that elected officials could call American citizens every name in the book, and it NOT end up with some people getting REALLY pissed off? Really? Sure, people get pissed off at the dumbest things. Doesn’t mean that a second civil war is a good idea. Maybe we should focus our energies on reforms that would turn down the heat instead of accelerating it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Does anyone believe the stockpile of civilian weaponry could compete with F16's and state of the art drones etc? It'd be over faster than you can say Iraq. But people would needlessly die. Ridiculous to even consider. Sure there are people that would be traitors within the military but punish a few appropriately and it would stop quickly. c'mon guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Sure, people get pissed off at the dumbest things. Doesn’t mean that a second civil war is a good idea. Maybe we should focus our energies on reforms that would turn down the heat instead of accelerating it. Okay…so ‘you’ have the bulky pulpit now. How about if Biden knocks it off? Do we have a deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Okay…so ‘you’ have the bulky pulpit now. How about if Biden knocks it off? Do we have a deal? Sorry to break it to you, but the President of the United States doesn’t take my calls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Okay…so ‘you’ have the bulky pulpit now. How about if Biden knocks it off? Do we have a deal? what exactly should he knock off? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Does anyone believe the stockpile of civilian weaponry could compete with F16's and state of the art drones etc? It'd be over faster than you can say Iraq. But people would needlessly die. Ridiculous to even consider. Sure there are people that would be traitors within the military but punish a few appropriately and it would stop quickly. c'mon guys. Again, are these the same F16s and state of the art drones that couldn’t beat a bunch of opium farmers armed with thirty year old AKs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LeviF said: Again, are these the same F16s and state of the art drones that couldn’t beat a bunch of opium farmers armed with thirty year old AKs? they did a bang up job in Iraq and the terrain would be very familiar. I'd wager the stockpile locations of weapons are already known. That and Bill Gates has already altered the DNA of every American...just needs to selectively throw the switch. And we have awesome space lasers. Edited February 22, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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