Biden Is The Green Energy President

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Let's now go down a rabbit hole here.  This would be the same as the misguided extremism that we often read on other topics. Nobody is asking, or should be recommending that you completely unplug from the grid.  While I disagree with Tibs on so many topics, I am not going to get on him for owning either a sailboat or a chainsaw.  It's like owning a Prius.  It does very little good if your lifestyle has you driving it 300 miles a day!  Remember, it's not the thing itself....it's how much you use it.

Fair. I respect a lot of your points and more importantly your amicable style so I will reflect on this one. Hypocrisy is a hot button issue for me for sure. It’s the top of the list item why both major political parties are deplorable to me. 

 

And yes, “the tax everyone else more, save the earth, help the poor, get covid relief to those who need it” crowd really show their true colors when using government emergency aid money to buy motorized chain saw and subsidize a recreational boat. 

Edited March 24, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[SoCal Deek]

55 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Fair. I respect a lot of your points and more importantly your amicable style so I will reflect on this one. Hypocrisy is a hot button issue for me for sure. It’s the top of the list item why both major political parties are deplorable to me. 

 

And yes, “the tax everyone else more, save the earth, help the poor, get covid relief to those who need it” crowd really show their true colors when using government emergency aid money to buy motorized chain saw and subsidize a recreational boat. 

Many of the problems we face as a nation stem from the pervasive attitude where people want "someone else" to fix things for them: Illegal Immigration, Climate Change, Student Loans, Reparations, Covid, Social Justice, Pay Their Fair Share.  It's much easier to take that approach.  It's way harder to do something about these things in your daily life.  This country is rapidly going bankrupt and those in charge just keep running up a bill.  One day, the music's gonna stop, and then a whole bunch of people are going to be left without a chair.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Many of the problems we face as a nation stem from the pervasive attitude where people want "someone else" to fix things for them: Illegal Immigration, Climate Change, Student Loans, Reparations, Covid, Social Justice, Pay Their Fair Share.  It's much easier to take that approach.  It's way harder to do something about these things in your daily life.  This country is rapidly going bankrupt and those in charge just keep running up a bill.  One day, the music's gonna stop, and then a whole bunch of people are going to be left without a chair.

 

That’s the nutshell.  Politicizing caring for the environment is evil and transparent . I teach my family to recycle, minimize waste, don’t pollute or litter, never throw out unspoiled food; (children are starving in the world), realize the excess of wealth and good fortune around them, that clean water and clean air are important and what they can do to support that, that energy is a precious commodity, to empathize with those that are less fortunate.

 

But then, when the corrupt social engineering party and their sheep step in and steals ever more of our money, leis and pretends to uphold hold any of these values, then literally practice and personally support none, it’s pretty darned annoying at best. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

YOU CAN’T POLISH A TURD: 

 

AOC Introduces a New and Improved Green New Deal.

 

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/04/21/aoc-introduces-a-new-and-improved-green-new-deal-n1441641

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

YOU CAN’T POLISH A TURD: 

 

AOC Introduces a New and Improved Green New Deal.

 

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/04/21/aoc-introduces-a-new-and-improved-green-new-deal-n1441641

All this right wing propaganda you post is probably largely funded by big oil, Russian and Saudi interests in oil. 

 

 

[Governor]

What an amazing man that Biden is. Most successful “first 100 days” in history!

IMO, you can’t really have an honest conversation about the environment without first mentioning “meat consumption.”

 

Nothing else really matters until the “fatties” stop this behavior.

Edited April 21, 2021 by The Governor

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

29 minutes ago, The Governor said:

without first mentioning “meat consumption.”

Let’s do it! I prefer prime rib over Fillet minion. But are there any food that don’t taste better wrapped in bacon? 

[Governor]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Let’s do it! I prefer prime rib over Fillet minion. But are there any food that don’t taste better wrapped in bacon? 

Stop being a fattie!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 minutes ago, The Governor said:

Stop being a fattie!

Stop telling other people how to live their lives

[Governor]

On 3/23/2021 at 8:33 AM, Tiberius said:

So you like being hooked to Saudi Arabias oil? I'll take a Green New Deal over being tied to those monsters any day. How many people starved today in Yemen because of the Saudi blockade? 

 

Ya, but going green is evil 

Water is definitely the biggest issue. It takes something like 100 gallons just to get 1 hamburger on your plate.

 

Thats factoring in the water used to grow whatever the cow eats and drinks until it’s slaughtered, etc.

 

Im not a huge fan of Bernie but he’s actually right when he talks about environmental refugees. Yemen has been out of water for years. They will have to be relocated. It will also lead to more terrorism since they’re literally starving to death.

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Stop telling other people how to live their lives

I don’t hate you because you’re fat.

 

You’re fat because I hate you. - Mean Girls

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, The Governor said:

Water is definitely the biggest issue. It takes something like 100 gallons just to get 1 hamburger on your plate.

 

Thats factoring in the water used to grow whatever the cow eats and drinks until it’s slaughtered, etc.

 

Im not a huge fan of Bernie but he’s actually right when he talks about environmental refugees. Yemen has been out of water for years. They will have to be relocated. It will also lead to more terrorism since they’re literally starving to death.

I don’t hate you because you’re fat.

 

You’re fat because I hate you. - Mean Girls

lol... sure pal.  Btw Earth is 70% water. This isn’t hard. 
 

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

lol... sure pal.  Btw Earth is 70% water. This isn’t hard. 
 

You been drinking out of the ocean again haven’t you?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 minutes ago, The Governor said:

You been drinking out of the ocean again haven’t you?

I haven’t been to San Diego in a few years, so not since then...  I guess in your protein starved b12 deficient state of malaise you are not up to speed on science stuff

Edited April 21, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Governor]

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I haven’t been to San Diego in a few years, so not since then...  I guess in your protein starved b12 deficient state of malaise you are not up to speed on science stuff

 

 

Food addiction is no joke. IMO, it’s worse than a heroin addiction because it actually kills your body quicker. 
 

You see all of the same behaviors, excuse making, etc (vitamin lies)that you would see from a heroin addict also. As a nation, we should be treating them exactly the same. America is addicted to bad food.

Edited April 21, 2021 by The Governor

[RochesterRob]

24 minutes ago, The Governor said:

Water is definitely the biggest issue. It takes something like 100 gallons just to get 1 hamburger on your plate.

 

Thats factoring in the water used to grow whatever the cow eats and drinks until it’s slaughtered, etc.

 

Im not a huge fan of Bernie but he’s actually right when he talks about environmental refugees. Yemen has been out of water for years. They will have to be relocated. It will also lead to more terrorism since they’re literally starving to death.

I don’t hate you because you’re fat.

 

You’re fat because I hate you. - Mean Girls

  It takes several inches of loamy topsoil to grow vegetables and vegetables require water which a fair amount of the time comes from irrigation.  Take a drive around WNY and look at the areas that lack several inches of loamy topsoil, lack the ability to irrigate vegetables, or have too short a growing season to grow vegetables.  Growing vegetables in many areas requires insecticides to have a viable crop that does not wind up being a loss.  These are problems that a lot of the world faces.  Japan went to war during the 1930's and 1940's because it could not produce enough food which meant mostly vegetables.  People can complain about digestive intolerances but wheat is the easiest mass produced crop to grow in the world.  Large volume production of wheat and beef is simply a function of adaptability of those two commodities to most areas on Earth rather than a conspiracy perpetrated by rednecks.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

16 minutes ago, The Governor said:

 

 

Food addiction is no joke. IMO, it’s worse than a heroin addiction because it actually kills your body quicker. 
 

You see all of the same behaviors, excuse making, etc (vitamin lies)that you would see from a heroin addict also. As a nation, we should be treating them exactly the same. America is addicted to bad food.

You keep doing your heroin, I’ll stick to my grocery store.

 

As a nation I don’t want heroin addicts or the government telling me how to live my life. 
 

Btw why’d you edit out your continuing fattie schtick it was so revealing about you

Edited April 21, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Governor]

10 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  It takes several inches of loamy topsoil to grow vegetables and vegetables require water which a fair amount of the time comes from irrigation.  Take a drive around WNY and look at the areas that lack several inches of loamy topsoil, lack the ability to irrigate vegetables, or have too short a growing season to grow vegetables.  Growing vegetables in many areas requires insecticides to have a viable crop that does not wind up being a loss.  These are problems that a lot of the world faces.  Japan went to war during the 1930's and 1940's because it could not produce enough food which meant mostly vegetables.  People can complain about digestive intolerances but wheat is the easiest mass produced crop to grow in the world.  Large volume production of wheat and beef is simply a function of adaptability of those two commodities to most areas on Earth rather than a conspiracy perpetrated by rednecks.  

Beef production needs about 28 times more land than the production of pork or chicken, and requires 11 times more water. 

When you compare it to other food items such as rice, for example, and potatoes or wheat, beef needs 160 times more land, and releases 11 times more greenhouse gases.

[RochesterRob]

Just now, The Governor said:

Beef production needs about 28 times more land than the production of pork or chicken, and requires 11 times more water. 

When you compare it to other food items such as rice, for example, and potatoes or wheat, beef needs 160 times more land, and releases 11 times more greenhouse gases.

  You have missed the point.  Potatoes and rice can not substitute in a vast vast majority of areas in place of cattle.  Poultry outside of subsistence agriculture requires feed concentrates such as corn and soybeans.  Cattle can be grazed in many areas where grain production is not possible or not viable.  What if your government decides to placate a certain portion of the population by reducing pollutants directly caused by you so others can have their steaks and burgers?  You think that cattle is taking land away from other agricultural commodities when in fact cattle is the only viable commodity in many locations on Earth.  Look at the Swiss who greatly rely on cheese produced from cow milk.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  You have missed the point.  Potatoes and rice can not substitute in a vast vast majority of areas in place of cattle.  Poultry outside of subsistence agriculture requires feed concentrates such as corn and soybeans.  Cattle can be grazed in many areas where grain production is not possible or not viable.  What if your government decides to placate a certain portion of the population by reducing pollutants directly caused by you so others can have their steaks and burgers?  You think that cattle is taking land away from other agricultural commodities when in fact cattle is the only viable commodity in many locations on Earth.  Look at the Swiss who greatly rely on cheese produced from cow milk.

This is true. Food is really really expensive there as well. 

[Governor]

16 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  You have missed the point.  Potatoes and rice can not substitute in a vast vast majority of areas in place of cattle.  Poultry outside of subsistence agriculture requires feed concentrates such as corn and soybeans.  Cattle can be grazed in many areas where grain production is not possible or not viable.  What if your government decides to placate a certain portion of the population by reducing pollutants directly caused by you so others can have their steaks and burgers?  You think that cattle is taking land away from other agricultural commodities when in fact cattle is the only viable commodity in many locations on Earth.  Look at the Swiss who greatly rely on cheese produced from cow milk.

It’s the most impactful choice that 1 individual can make if they care about the environment. Not buying a Prius, or recycling, or anything else.

 

it’s not the 1700’s anymore. The “Swedes” will be fine. 
 

What’s different today is that other countries like Brazil and China are now eating beef in large amounts. That wasn’t the case 20 years ago. They’re knocking down rainforests now to raise cattle on.
 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/21/lifestyle-change-eat-less-meat-climate-change

Edited April 21, 2021 by The Governor

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, The Governor said:

It’s the most impactful choice that 1 individual can make if they care about the environment. Not buying a Prius, or recycling, or anything else.

 

it’s not the 1700’s anymore. The “Swedes” will be fine. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/21/lifestyle-change-eat-less-meat-climate-change

  The Swedes are not the same as the Swiss.  Quite a number of nations prefer agricultural products to come from inside their borders to insure a degree of national security.  Don't expect that to change.  Even liberals eat meat so don't expect that to change.  Many politicians believe in the mantra of do as I say and not as I do.  Don't expect a government to eliminate meat production to placate a portion of the population that they consider minimally important.  Don't eat meat as I don't care.  Just for your information my diet is decidedly weighted in favor of grains including rice and vegetables but I do eat meat as well.  You still ought to educate yourself as to the realities of food production as opposed to the philosophies of a political group.  A potato has a much higher value on average per acre than beef.  If potatoes were viable on a given acre of land that would the choice of production so economics does reward vegetable production over beef where possible.  It just is not possible over a huge area of the Earth's landmass.

[Governor]

18 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The Swedes are not the same as the Swiss.  Quite a number of nations prefer agricultural products to come from inside their borders to insure a degree of national security.  Don't expect that to change.  Even liberals eat meat so don't expect that to change.  Many politicians believe in the mantra of do as I say and not as I do.  Don't expect a government to eliminate meat production to placate a portion of the population that they consider minimally important.  Don't eat meat as I don't care.  Just for your information my diet is decidedly weighted in favor of grains including rice and vegetables but I do eat meat as well.  You still ought to educate yourself as to the realities of food production as opposed to the philosophies of a political group.  A potato has a much higher value on average per acre than beef.  If potatoes were viable on a given acre of land that would the choice of production so economics does reward vegetable production over beef where possible.  It just is not possible over a huge area of the Earth's landmass.

No one said you can’t ever have beef again. We’re going to “reduce” meat consumption, and how you do that is by taxing the hell out of it to change “bad behavior.” That’s what we did with cigarettes, and many other things that lead to death if not used in moderation.

 

I won’t even get into the strain on the HC system from the meat and dairy industries.

 

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by The Governor

[RochesterRob]

6 minutes ago, The Governor said:

No one said you can’t ever have beef again. We’re going to “reduce” meat consumption, and how you do that is by taxing the hell out of it to change “bad behavior.” 

 

I won’t even get into the strain on the HC system from the meat and dairy industries.

 

 

  Who are you referring to when you say "We're?"  Eating meat is a very primal function of humans and one that most people will not allow to be denied.   Yes, I mean denied as the lower economic classes will be the primary victims of such a tax and it will amount to shifting to nothing relative to the expression "all or nothing."  These same people tend to be supporters of the Democrats and/or liberals.  No Draconian tax is coming anytime soon.  To even get a 50 percent reduction would require going through three generations so the change would be very gradual.  

[aristocrat]

51 minutes ago, The Governor said:

No one said you can’t ever have beef again. We’re going to “reduce” meat consumption, and how you do that is by taxing the hell out of it to change “bad behavior.” That’s what we did with cigarettes, and many other things that lead to death if not used in moderation.

 

I won’t even get into the strain on the HC system from the meat and dairy industries.

 

 

first the guns now our meat? Gtfo

[Governor]

56 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Who are you referring to when you say "We're?"  Eating meat is a very primal function of humans and one that most people will not allow to be denied.   Yes, I mean denied as the lower economic classes will be the primary victims of such a tax and it will amount to shifting to nothing relative to the expression "all or nothing."  These same people tend to be supporters of the Democrats and/or liberals.  No Draconian tax is coming anytime soon.  To even get a 50 percent reduction would require going through three generations so the change would be very gradual.  

It’s already in the works. I’d bet everything that I have that there’s already legislation written and sitting on Nancy’s desk right now waiting to be introduced in the future.

 

Ha!!!

 

Not everyone agrees. The North American Meat Institute took issue with the study,

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-it-time-to-put-a-tax-on-meat/#app

Edited April 21, 2021 by The Governor

[Governor]

15 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

first the guns now our meat? Gtfo

Didn’t Obama already take your guns? How did you get more?

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, The Governor said:

It’s the most impactful choice that 1 individual can make if they care about the environment. Not buying a Prius, or recycling, or anything else.

 

it’s not the 1700’s anymore. The “Swedes” will be fine. 
 

What’s different today is that other countries like Brazil and China are now eating beef in large amounts. That wasn’t the case 20 years ago. They’re knocking down rainforests now to raise cattle on.
 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/21/lifestyle-change-eat-less-meat-climate-change

That’s interesting 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, The Governor said:

No one said you can’t ever have beef again. We’re going to “reduce” meat consumption, and how you do that is by taxing the hell out of it to change “bad behavior.” That’s what we did with cigarettes, and many other things that lead to death if not used in moderation.

 

I won’t even get into the strain on the HC system from the meat and dairy industries.

 

 

 

We're carnivores.  Our DNA is bad behavior?  So because Fatty Freddie can't put the fork down you're going to tax the hell out of my steak?  And why is reduce in quotes?  

 

3 hours ago, The Governor said:

Stop being a fattie!

 

What does meat consumption have to do with being a fattie?  

3 hours ago, The Governor said:

Water is definitely the biggest issue. It takes something like 100 gallons just to get 1 hamburger on your plate.

 

Thats factoring in the water used to grow whatever the cow eats and drinks until it’s slaughtered, etc.

 

Im not a huge fan of Bernie but he’s actually right when he talks about environmental refugees. Yemen has been out of water for years. They will have to be relocated. It will also lead to more terrorism since they’re literally starving to death.

I don’t hate you because you’re fat.

 

 

 

It's not that we eat too much.  It's not that cows fart too much.  It's not because pigs drink too much.  It's because we keep making too many of us.   

[aristocrat]

So we should be buying land and putting cattle on it?

[Governor]

13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

We're carnivores.  Our DNA is bad behavior?  So because Fatty Freddie can't put the fork down you're going to tax the hell out of my steak?  And why is reduce in quotes?  

 

 

What does meat consumption have to do with being a fattie?  

 

It's not that we eat too much.  It's not that cows fart too much.  It's not because pigs drink too much.  It's because we keep making too many of us.   

Do you get on all fours and chase your prey down the street and eat it like a mountain lion? 

[RochesterRob]

48 minutes ago, The Governor said:

It’s already in the works. I’d bet everything that I have that there’s already legislation written and sitting on Nancy’s desk right now waiting to be introduced in the future.

 

Ha!!!

 

Not everyone agrees. The North American Meat Institute took issue with the study,

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-it-time-to-put-a-tax-on-meat/#app

  One of the extremely few ways for the liberal Democrats to screw things up for themselves politically is to introduce such a tax.  The poor who are the bulwark of the Democrats will shoulder such a tax which they will ultimately rebel against.  The only way to do it so rebellion is avoided is to introduce it in extremely small portions to the point where it will be almost invisible to the consumer which will have the effect of not reducing meat consumption.  I would ask you what you have against logic, economics, and science when it comes to food production?  

[Chef Jim]

51 minutes ago, The Governor said:

Do you get on all fours and chase your prey down the street and eat it like a mountain lion? 

Why yes, yes I do.  How did you ever know? 
 

[T master]

On 1/28/2021 at 1:10 PM, Tiberius said:

He had enough energy to beat Trump 

 

 

 

 

Yah he did but he ain't got the balls to hold China's feet to the fire weather it be for the amount of green house gases they emit or for creating a virus that devastated the worlds economy .

 

They have given the Chinese a pass for what like 30 yrs or something & then they can decide IF they want to become part of the solution which we know just like we knew (because they said they would) Iran would stop increasing their nuclear production the Chinese are doing the same thing basically thumbing their noses at the US and the world & doing what ever they want to with no recourse .

 

The US has been at the fore front of knocking down the production of green house gases and continues to bear the brunt of it but China is the biggest producer of them and every one including the US gives them a pass because no one has the balls to stand up to them and they continue to deal with them instead of being independent of them .

 

All the jobs that have went over there use to be here and China use to be recognized as a communist bunch of liars that couldn't be trusted but now we along with a bunch of other countries because of the all mighty $$ & the NWO have become bed buddy's with them and made their economy the biggest in the world .

 

One would think after how hard it was to get PPE when the Wuhan virus hit that the Americans would see it for what it is & realize those jobs would be better off here where they need to be to keep us independently strong in the face of adversity but we will continue as if nothing has changed because it now hasn't .

 

 

 

 

[Irv]

Green energy.  Hillarious!  

[Tiberius]

On 4/24/2021 at 10:06 AM, T master said:

 

Yah he did but he ain't got the balls to hold China's feet to the fire weather it be for the amount of green house gases they emit or for creating a virus that devastated the worlds economy .

 

They have given the Chinese a pass for what like 30 yrs or something & then they can decide IF they want to become part of the solution which we know just like we knew (because they said they would) Iran would stop increasing their nuclear production the Chinese are doing the same thing basically thumbing their noses at the US and the world & doing what ever they want to with no recourse .

 

The US has been at the fore front of knocking down the production of green house gases and continues to bear the brunt of it but China is the biggest producer of them and every one including the US gives them a pass because no one has the balls to stand up to them and they continue to deal with them instead of being independent of them .

 

All the jobs that have went over there use to be here and China use to be recognized as a communist bunch of liars that couldn't be trusted but now we along with a bunch of other countries because of the all mighty $$ & the NWO have become bed buddy's with them and made their economy the biggest in the world .

 

One would think after how hard it was to get PPE when the Wuhan virus hit that the Americans would see it for what it is & realize those jobs would be better off here where they need to be to keep us independently strong in the face of adversity but we will continue as if nothing has changed because it now hasn't .

 

 

 

 

What's he suppose to do to China? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

What's he suppose to do to China? 

This is a great question. What would you propose? 
 

 

On 4/21/2021 at 8:12 PM, Chef Jim said:

 

 

What does meat consumption have to do with being a fattie?  

 

Just doing that shaming thing hypocritical libs do when it suits them. 
 

my carnitas omelette was fantastic this morning btw... 

[T master]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

What's he suppose to do to China? 

 

It's called tariffs & if needed economic sanctions but first you need to have a set to do anything at all plus you can't be afraid of a bully and they need to make a plan BEFORE he says anything not to make it worse if you know what I'm talking about ... 🤔

 

If need be go to all of your allies and all together set sanctions against them and move the companies that are making them the largest economy in the world out to some where else so they can't control every thing as far as exports to other countries .

 

They have a strangle hold on the entire planet basically & America has allow it because all of the enterprise that is there now use to be here and that basically leaves us at their mercy .  

 

A good/strong "Leader" try's to change that and doesn't just go back to what was .

[Governor]

I told you guys we were coming for your hamburgers.

 

Go check your crazy right-wing news today.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, The Governor said:

I told you guys we were coming for your hamburgers.

 

Go check your crazy right-wing news today.

Wonderful news. I love it when the government gets involved in my diet.

 

Remember when their ‘war on fat’ led to increased food processing,  trans fats, excessive sugar and salt into almost everything we ate and we saw dramatic increases in heart disease, obesity and cancer?
 

THANKS GOVERNMENT 👍  

 

Bullying the populates into a slew of unintended consequences since for as long as they’ve been around.  

[Governor]

You’re lucky this time.
 

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2021/4/26/22403599/biden-red-meat-ban-burger-kudlow?__twitter_impression=true

Edited April 26, 2021 by The Governor