How to fix voter fraud

[Big Blitz]

Fantastic:

 

 

If Republicans are serious about stopping voter fraud, rather than just whining about it after elections don’t go their way, here’s what they must do:

 

1. Make absentee voting rare again.

America’s love affair with absentee ballots obscures the obvious truth: Such ballots blatantly invite fraud. Mail-in ballots can easily be requested by other people, filled out by other people, and submitted by other people. Paying for votes is illegal, and with normal voting this law is easy to enforce. With absentee voting, enforcement is impossible.

 

It’s for these exact reasons that mail votes are banned or sharply restricted by many other functional democracies. In France, postal voting has been banned since the 1970s for all except those living overseas. Finland also restrict mail-in votes to those outside the country. In Japan, voting by mail requires a doctor’s certification that one is disabled. A similar system was suspended in Poland this year due to the coronavirus, and leftists immediately screeched that the system would enable widespread fraud...

 

What makes the situation any different in the United States? Nothing at all, except this: That the left has deduced that chaotic drawn-out mail voting benefits them while hurting its enemies.

 

To confirm that, one only has to go back 15 years, before Democrats realized the long-term advantage of mail voting to their side. In 2005, the Jimmy Carter-chaired Commission on Federal Election Reform warned that absentee ballots posed by far the biggest danger to America’s electoral integrity.

 

“Citizens who vote at home, at nursing homes, at the workplace, or in church are more susceptible to pressure, overt and subtle, or to intimidation,” the commission said in its report. “Vote buying schemes are far more difficult to detect when citizens vote by mail.”

 

Carter’s report was completely correct, and conservatives should take its findings to heart. There is no need to ban absentee voting. But it should be returned to how it was intended: As a means to vote for those unable to vote on Election Day. 

 

2. Get rid of electronic voting. 

President Trump and his allies have mounted a fierce attack on Dominion Voting Systems, a company that sells voting machines and vote tabulating hardware. The company’s software, they say, may have been manipulated to shave votes from President Trump, or even transfer those votes to Joe Biden.

 

Every single election, there are cases of “computer glitches” being blamed for vote counting errors, some of them substantial. In Michigan this year, thousands of votes in Antrim County were mistakenly given to Biden instead of Trump after an incompetent (or corrupt) official failed to properly update election management software. 

 

 

There is absolutely no need for voting to be a high-tech operation. All this technology does is introduce complexity while reducing the public’s confidence in what is happening. Vote counting machines can be hacked, programmed incorrectly, or simply malfunction. In all three cases, it is possible for this to happen without ever being detected.

 

In fact, several other countries have banned electronic voting, recognizing the risks it poses. In the Netherlands, leaders abolished electronic voting in favor of hand-counted paper ballots in order to make any concerns about election hacking a moot point..

 

The same practice prevails in the United Kingdom: Votes for Parliament are all cast by hand and counted by hand. Even though polls are open until 10 p.m. there, election officials have no difficulty counting almost every ballot by the following morning. Atrocities where localities take weeks or even a month to tally every vote are unheard of.

 

In Germany, the country’s chief constitutional court actually banned electronic voting systems after their widespread adoption, on the grounds that they made the voting process impossible to understand without specialist technical knowledge. 

 

3. Count the vote immediately.

The single biggest reason that so many supporters of the president justifiably suspect fraud in the 2020 result is the ridiculously drawn-out nature of the vote counting itself...

 

To the average voter, drawn-out voting intuitively means only one thing: Somebody is trying to manufacture votes, and hide what they are doing.

 

 

 

 

A model already exists to do much of this. After the recount debacle in Florida in 2000, the state drastically overhauled its election processes.

In Florida, absentee ballots must be returned by 7 p.m. on election night, period, with no shenanigans about postmarks. The state requires a matching signature for mail-in ballots.  Ballots that are returned earlier are opened and verified early before being stored securely, and critically, they are counted first, meaning they can never be used to play “catch-up” against a surprising election-night deficit. Florida had plenty of mail-in and early votes, but it still had no difficulty having ballots almost completely counted by midnight. That performance should be the norm everywhere.....

 

https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/election-reforms-gop-can-do-right-now/

 

 

The goal of getting every voting age human that is an actual citizen and resident of their country and locality is certainly admirable.  

 

But it does not get to come at the expense of creating a voting operation that increases the likelihood of massive fraud and thus a mistrust of the integrity of the democracy we're attempting to preserve.

[Doc Brown]

I'm all for paper ballots only and making absentee ballots rare (the pandemic should be over by next election).  However, you'd have to find a way to increase polling access in more population dense areas if that's your solution as some people just aren't willing to wait more than 20 minutes to vote.

 

I've always been in favor of states not releasing any voting information until all the votes are counted instead of some idiot pointing at a screen analyzing counties as the votes come in.  Networks need their ratings though.

[TBBills]

How to fix voter fraud....

Simple don't allow Donald Trump to ever run for anything and you won't have the problem.

 

Donald likes to lie and thinks voter fraud in the hundreds of thousands happened... Problem is we live in the real world where that never happened.

Trump's plan seems to be if he doesn't win he wants to tear this country apart and he is doing a good job at it. He should never be allowed to run again... Unless you guys want to make a third party than by all means go ahead

Edited November 25, 2020 by TBBills

[SoTier]

Since there has been not a single shred of any kind of large scale election fraud anywhere in the country, there's nothing to "fix".   The only improvement to the electoral process itself that needs to be made is that some states need to improve the way they process mail-in voting, which would be to start the process of verifying signatures and "curing" ballots earlier than Election Day or the day after Election Day.

[oldmanfan]

The real fix that is needed is to ensure that every citizen in this country eligible to vote actually votes.  Even with the record number voting this year there are still far too many of our fellow citizens who do not do their constitutional duty.  And part of the reason is the machinations by a certain party to deny some voters access.

 

All votes should be verified as being submitted by the correct individual.  That can be done by identifying signatures, or by checking IDs when voting in person.

 

 

[RochesterRob]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Fantastic:

 

 

If Republicans are serious about stopping voter fraud, rather than just whining about it after elections don’t go their way, here’s what they must do:

 

1. Make absentee voting rare again.

America’s love affair with absentee ballots obscures the obvious truth: Such ballots blatantly invite fraud. Mail-in ballots can easily be requested by other people, filled out by other people, and submitted by other people. Paying for votes is illegal, and with normal voting this law is easy to enforce. With absentee voting, enforcement is impossible.

 

It’s for these exact reasons that mail votes are banned or sharply restricted by many other functional democracies. In France, postal voting has been banned since the 1970s for all except those living overseas. Finland also restrict mail-in votes to those outside the country. In Japan, voting by mail requires a doctor’s certification that one is disabled. A similar system was suspended in Poland this year due to the coronavirus, and leftists immediately screeched that the system would enable widespread fraud...

 

What makes the situation any different in the United States? Nothing at all, except this: That the left has deduced that chaotic drawn-out mail voting benefits them while hurting its enemies.

 

To confirm that, one only has to go back 15 years, before Democrats realized the long-term advantage of mail voting to their side. In 2005, the Jimmy Carter-chaired Commission on Federal Election Reform warned that absentee ballots posed by far the biggest danger to America’s electoral integrity.

 

“Citizens who vote at home, at nursing homes, at the workplace, or in church are more susceptible to pressure, overt and subtle, or to intimidation,” the commission said in its report. “Vote buying schemes are far more difficult to detect when citizens vote by mail.”

 

Carter’s report was completely correct, and conservatives should take its findings to heart. There is no need to ban absentee voting. But it should be returned to how it was intended: As a means to vote for those unable to vote on Election Day. 

 

2. Get rid of electronic voting. 

President Trump and his allies have mounted a fierce attack on Dominion Voting Systems, a company that sells voting machines and vote tabulating hardware. The company’s software, they say, may have been manipulated to shave votes from President Trump, or even transfer those votes to Joe Biden.

 

Every single election, there are cases of “computer glitches” being blamed for vote counting errors, some of them substantial. In Michigan this year, thousands of votes in Antrim County were mistakenly given to Biden instead of Trump after an incompetent (or corrupt) official failed to properly update election management software. 

 

 

There is absolutely no need for voting to be a high-tech operation. All this technology does is introduce complexity while reducing the public’s confidence in what is happening. Vote counting machines can be hacked, programmed incorrectly, or simply malfunction. In all three cases, it is possible for this to happen without ever being detected.

 

In fact, several other countries have banned electronic voting, recognizing the risks it poses. In the Netherlands, leaders abolished electronic voting in favor of hand-counted paper ballots in order to make any concerns about election hacking a moot point..

 

The same practice prevails in the United Kingdom: Votes for Parliament are all cast by hand and counted by hand. Even though polls are open until 10 p.m. there, election officials have no difficulty counting almost every ballot by the following morning. Atrocities where localities take weeks or even a month to tally every vote are unheard of.

 

In Germany, the country’s chief constitutional court actually banned electronic voting systems after their widespread adoption, on the grounds that they made the voting process impossible to understand without specialist technical knowledge. 

 

3. Count the vote immediately.

The single biggest reason that so many supporters of the president justifiably suspect fraud in the 2020 result is the ridiculously drawn-out nature of the vote counting itself...

 

To the average voter, drawn-out voting intuitively means only one thing: Somebody is trying to manufacture votes, and hide what they are doing.

 

 

 

 

A model already exists to do much of this. After the recount debacle in Florida in 2000, the state drastically overhauled its election processes.

In Florida, absentee ballots must be returned by 7 p.m. on election night, period, with no shenanigans about postmarks. The state requires a matching signature for mail-in ballots.  Ballots that are returned earlier are opened and verified early before being stored securely, and critically, they are counted first, meaning they can never be used to play “catch-up” against a surprising election-night deficit. Florida had plenty of mail-in and early votes, but it still had no difficulty having ballots almost completely counted by midnight. That performance should be the norm everywhere.....

 

https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/election-reforms-gop-can-do-right-now/

 

 

The goal of getting every voting age human that is an actual citizen and resident of their country and locality is certainly admirable.  

 

But it does not get to come at the expense of creating a voting operation that increases the likelihood of massive fraud and thus a mistrust of the integrity of the democracy we're attempting to preserve.

  To this point the states control the means of balloting.  What do you do about a state run by Democrats such as NY?  It's far from all being on the shoulders of the Republicans.  

[SoTier]

The approximately 65% of the eligible voters who voted in 2020 was the highest percentage voter turn out since 1960 IIRC.  

[BillStime]

On 11/25/2020 at 2:06 AM, Big Blitz said:

Fantastic:

 

 

If Republicans are serious about stopping voter fraud, rather than just whining about it after elections don’t go their way, here’s what they must do:

 

1. Make absentee voting rare again.

America’s love affair with absentee ballots obscures the obvious truth: Such ballots blatantly invite fraud. Mail-in ballots can easily be requested by other people, filled out by other people, and submitted by other people. Paying for votes is illegal, and with normal voting this law is easy to enforce. With absentee voting, enforcement is impossible.

 

It’s for these exact reasons that mail votes are banned or sharply restricted by many other functional democracies. In France, postal voting has been banned since the 1970s for all except those living overseas. Finland also restrict mail-in votes to those outside the country. In Japan, voting by mail requires a doctor’s certification that one is disabled. A similar system was suspended in Poland this year due to the coronavirus, and leftists immediately screeched that the system would enable widespread fraud...

 

What makes the situation any different in the United States? Nothing at all, except this: That the left has deduced that chaotic drawn-out mail voting benefits them while hurting its enemies.

 

To confirm that, one only has to go back 15 years, before Democrats realized the long-term advantage of mail voting to their side. In 2005, the Jimmy Carter-chaired Commission on Federal Election Reform warned that absentee ballots posed by far the biggest danger to America’s electoral integrity.

 

“Citizens who vote at home, at nursing homes, at the workplace, or in church are more susceptible to pressure, overt and subtle, or to intimidation,” the commission said in its report. “Vote buying schemes are far more difficult to detect when citizens vote by mail.”

 

Carter’s report was completely correct, and conservatives should take its findings to heart. There is no need to ban absentee voting. But it should be returned to how it was intended: As a means to vote for those unable to vote on Election Day. 

 

2. Get rid of electronic voting. 

President Trump and his allies have mounted a fierce attack on Dominion Voting Systems, a company that sells voting machines and vote tabulating hardware. The company’s software, they say, may have been manipulated to shave votes from President Trump, or even transfer those votes to Joe Biden.

 

Every single election, there are cases of “computer glitches” being blamed for vote counting errors, some of them substantial. In Michigan this year, thousands of votes in Antrim County were mistakenly given to Biden instead of Trump after an incompetent (or corrupt) official failed to properly update election management software. 

 

 

There is absolutely no need for voting to be a high-tech operation. All this technology does is introduce complexity while reducing the public’s confidence in what is happening. Vote counting machines can be hacked, programmed incorrectly, or simply malfunction. In all three cases, it is possible for this to happen without ever being detected.

 

In fact, several other countries have banned electronic voting, recognizing the risks it poses. In the Netherlands, leaders abolished electronic voting in favor of hand-counted paper ballots in order to make any concerns about election hacking a moot point..

 

The same practice prevails in the United Kingdom: Votes for Parliament are all cast by hand and counted by hand. Even though polls are open until 10 p.m. there, election officials have no difficulty counting almost every ballot by the following morning. Atrocities where localities take weeks or even a month to tally every vote are unheard of.

 

In Germany, the country’s chief constitutional court actually banned electronic voting systems after their widespread adoption, on the grounds that they made the voting process impossible to understand without specialist technical knowledge. 

 

3. Count the vote immediately.

The single biggest reason that so many supporters of the president justifiably suspect fraud in the 2020 result is the ridiculously drawn-out nature of the vote counting itself...

 

To the average voter, drawn-out voting intuitively means only one thing: Somebody is trying to manufacture votes, and hide what they are doing.

 

 

 

 

A model already exists to do much of this. After the recount debacle in Florida in 2000, the state drastically overhauled its election processes.

In Florida, absentee ballots must be returned by 7 p.m. on election night, period, with no shenanigans about postmarks. The state requires a matching signature for mail-in ballots.  Ballots that are returned earlier are opened and verified early before being stored securely, and critically, they are counted first, meaning they can never be used to play “catch-up” against a surprising election-night deficit. Florida had plenty of mail-in and early votes, but it still had no difficulty having ballots almost completely counted by midnight. That performance should be the norm everywhere.....

 

https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/election-reforms-gop-can-do-right-now/

 

 

The goal of getting every voting age human that is an actual citizen and resident of their country and locality is certainly admirable.  

 

But it does not get to come at the expense of creating a voting operation that increases the likelihood of massive fraud and thus a mistrust of the integrity of the democracy we're attempting to preserve.

 

So, what happened in Florida - you know - your model state?  Why did they just pass additional voter suppression bills? 

 

Now the GQP outsmarted themselves and worry they just disenfranchised their own.  Losers.

 

[716er]

On 11/25/2020 at 7:35 AM, SoTier said:

Since there has been not a single shred of any kind of large scale election fraud anywhere in the country, there's nothing to "fix".   The only improvement to the electoral process itself that needs to be made is that some states need to improve the way they process mail-in voting, which would be to start the process of verifying signatures and "curing" ballots earlier than Election Day or the day after Election Day.

 

Bingo. Voter fraud is #FakeNews

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

So, what happened in Florida - you know - your model state?  Why did they just pass additional voter suppression bills? 

 

 

 

 

Who has been suppressed?

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Who has been suppressed?

Someone has to be suppressed otherwise these laws wouldn’t exist! 
 

I mean - you did point out the perfection of Florida’s voting laws right?

[unbillievable]

2 hours ago, 716er said:

 

Bingo. Voter fraud is #FakeNews

When they installed red light cameras, everyone was surprised just how many people broke the law.

 

Not surprisingly, the amount of offenders went down to almost zero again when they removed them.

[716er]

22 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

When they installed red light cameras, everyone was surprised just how many people broke the law.

 

Not surprisingly, the amount of offenders went down to almost zero again when they removed them.

 

Any other fun non-sequiturs? 

[unbillievable]

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Any other fun non-sequiturs? 

When the police went on strike, crime plummeted.

Democrats are now using that example to #defundthepolice

 

[716er]

Just now, unbillievable said:

When the police went on strike, crime plummeted.

Democrats are now using that example to #defundthepolice

 

 

 

Did you see what Trump Jr. said on Newsmax?

 

[Governor]

Yes, let’s make everyone vote in person so working class people can’t vote. That will fix this problem Republicans have with voters!

[TH3]

On 11/25/2020 at 2:06 AM, Big Blitz said:

Fantastic:

 

 

If Republicans are serious about stopping voter fraud, rather than just whining about it after elections don’t go their way, here’s what they must do:

 

1. Make absentee voting rare again.

America’s love affair with absentee ballots obscures the obvious truth: Such ballots blatantly invite fraud. Mail-in ballots can easily be requested by other people, filled out by other people, and submitted by other people. Paying for votes is illegal, and with normal voting this law is easy to enforce. With absentee voting, enforcement is impossible.

 

It’s for these exact reasons that mail votes are banned or sharply restricted by many other functional democracies. In France, postal voting has been banned since the 1970s for all except those living overseas. Finland also restrict mail-in votes to those outside the country. In Japan, voting by mail requires a doctor’s certification that one is disabled. A similar system was suspended in Poland this year due to the coronavirus, and leftists immediately screeched that the system would enable widespread fraud...

 

What makes the situation any different in the United States? Nothing at all, except this: That the left has deduced that chaotic drawn-out mail voting benefits them while hurting its enemies.

 

To confirm that, one only has to go back 15 years, before Democrats realized the long-term advantage of mail voting to their side. In 2005, the Jimmy Carter-chaired Commission on Federal Election Reform warned that absentee ballots posed by far the biggest danger to America’s electoral integrity.

 

“Citizens who vote at home, at nursing homes, at the workplace, or in church are more susceptible to pressure, overt and subtle, or to intimidation,” the commission said in its report. “Vote buying schemes are far more difficult to detect when citizens vote by mail.”

 

Carter’s report was completely correct, and conservatives should take its findings to heart. There is no need to ban absentee voting. But it should be returned to how it was intended: As a means to vote for those unable to vote on Election Day. 

 

2. Get rid of electronic voting. 

President Trump and his allies have mounted a fierce attack on Dominion Voting Systems, a company that sells voting machines and vote tabulating hardware. The company’s software, they say, may have been manipulated to shave votes from President Trump, or even transfer those votes to Joe Biden.

 

Every single election, there are cases of “computer glitches” being blamed for vote counting errors, some of them substantial. In Michigan this year, thousands of votes in Antrim County were mistakenly given to Biden instead of Trump after an incompetent (or corrupt) official failed to properly update election management software. 

 

 

There is absolutely no need for voting to be a high-tech operation. All this technology does is introduce complexity while reducing the public’s confidence in what is happening. Vote counting machines can be hacked, programmed incorrectly, or simply malfunction. In all three cases, it is possible for this to happen without ever being detected.

 

In fact, several other countries have banned electronic voting, recognizing the risks it poses. In the Netherlands, leaders abolished electronic voting in favor of hand-counted paper ballots in order to make any concerns about election hacking a moot point..

 

The same practice prevails in the United Kingdom: Votes for Parliament are all cast by hand and counted by hand. Even though polls are open until 10 p.m. there, election officials have no difficulty counting almost every ballot by the following morning. Atrocities where localities take weeks or even a month to tally every vote are unheard of.

 

In Germany, the country’s chief constitutional court actually banned electronic voting systems after their widespread adoption, on the grounds that they made the voting process impossible to understand without specialist technical knowledge. 

 

3. Count the vote immediately.

The single biggest reason that so many supporters of the president justifiably suspect fraud in the 2020 result is the ridiculously drawn-out nature of the vote counting itself...

 

To the average voter, drawn-out voting intuitively means only one thing: Somebody is trying to manufacture votes, and hide what they are doing.

 

 

 

 

A model already exists to do much of this. After the recount debacle in Florida in 2000, the state drastically overhauled its election processes.

In Florida, absentee ballots must be returned by 7 p.m. on election night, period, with no shenanigans about postmarks. The state requires a matching signature for mail-in ballots.  Ballots that are returned earlier are opened and verified early before being stored securely, and critically, they are counted first, meaning they can never be used to play “catch-up” against a surprising election-night deficit. Florida had plenty of mail-in and early votes, but it still had no difficulty having ballots almost completely counted by midnight. That performance should be the norm everywhere.....

 

https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/election-reforms-gop-can-do-right-now/

 

 

The goal of getting every voting age human that is an actual citizen and resident of their country and locality is certainly admirable.  

 

But it does not get to come at the expense of creating a voting operation that increases the likelihood of massive fraud and thus a mistrust of the integrity of the democracy we're attempting to preserve.

Want to get rid of "voter fraud" ...shut trump up....LOL

 

They already got rid of voter fraud Bozo...we just had an election with 150 million votes and no fraud...what more do you want. 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

46 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Someone has to be suppressed otherwise these laws wouldn’t exist! 
 

I mean - you did point out the perfection of Florida’s voting laws right?

 

 

Who's been suppressed other then 330 million Americans not allowed to go to their local Board of Supervisors to protest indefinite "mitigation" that is most definitely suppressing people, in order to protest those fake protocols totally designed to flatten curves.  

 

 

Who besides them has been suppressed - meaning its near impossible to vote.

 

 

 

I'll be here all day you just let me know when you think of something.

Edited May 10, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Tiberius]

What voter fraud? 

[unbillievable]

How did we simultaneously have a poor Census response because of covid, but hit record high voter turnout despite Covid?

 

 

[Governor]

34 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Want to get rid of "voter fraud" ...shut trump up....LOL

 

They already got rid of voter fraud Bozo...we just had an election with 150 million votes and no fraud...what more do you want. 

 

 

No state systems getting hacked like 2016 either. It was the most successful and secure election in history.

[Chef Jim]

4 hours ago, Governor said:

No state systems getting hacked like 2016 either. It was the most successful and secure election in history.

 

Is this your opinion or do you know this for a fact? 

4 hours ago, TH3 said:

 

 

They already got rid of voter fraud Bozo...we just had an election with 150 million votes and no fraud...what more do you want. 

 

 

 

No fraud?  And you know this to be a fact how? 

 

I'm wise enough to know that is some level of fraud for EVERY election. 

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Is this your opinion or do you know this for a fact? 

 

No fraud?  And you know this to be a fact how? 

 

I'm wise enough to know that is some level of fraud for EVERY election. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/2020-election-most-secure-history-dhs/#app

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/2020-election-most-secure-history-dhs/#app

 

When was that article written?  

[Governor]

9 minutes ago, Governor said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/2020-election-most-secure-history-dhs/#app

It was written right after the head of Cyber Command announced that it was the most secure election in history.

 
You lost snowflake. That wasn’t a very close election.

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Is this your opinion or do you know this for a fact? 

 

No fraud?  And you know this to be a fact how? 

 

I'm wise enough to know that is some level of fraud for EVERY election. 

Well there is currently a recount and audit happening for Maricopa County in Arizona that is getting a little attention.     

[Tiberius]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

Well there is currently a recount and audit happening for Maricopa County in Arizona that is getting a little attention.     

Oh boy! How are you people not just sore losers? 

 

You lost and you and you are acting like you were cheated. That's pure sore loserism right there 

[oldmanfan]

27 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Well there is currently a recount and audit happening for Maricopa County in Arizona that is getting a little attention.     

The attention it is getting is because it is so absurd.

[All_Pro_Bills]

53 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh boy! How are you people not just sore losers? 

 

You lost and you and you are acting like you were cheated. That's pure sore loserism right there 

I don't know if they'll find anything or not and neither do you.  But I find the drama surrounding the effort interesting. 

 

Like why did the DNC send their top-gun lawyers to Arizona to stop it?  And that failing the DOJ is getting involved.  That seems odd.  Why do they care?  If the state wants to waste time and resources that;s their business.  But instead DOJ is throwing out all kinds of excuses to try and stop it.  It would seem logical that if there is nothing to hide there is nothing to fear.  But there seems to be a lot of fear and perhaps a hint of panic.  So given the chance to prove their contentions all is on the up-and-up but declining to support an effort that would produce real tangible proof of their conclusions, what other way to explain all the resistance?

 

Like Hamlet "methinks the lady doth protest too much"!

27 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The attention it is getting is because it is so absurd.

What makes you 100% sure of that?  Like I said above if its so absurd why all the effort and resources sent to try and stop it?  Maybe somebody is crapping their pants worried about something?  Or crapping in his adult diapers more than he normally does?  

 

You guys are funny.  Pushing the integrity of elections narrative but scared of any attempts to prove it. 

Edited May 11, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I don't know if they'll find anything or not and neither do you.  But I find the drama surrounding the effort interesting. 

 

Like why did the DNC send their top-gun lawyers to Arizona to stop it?  And that failing the DOJ is getting involved.  That seems odd.  Why do they care?  If the state wants to waste time and resources that;s their business.  But instead DOJ is throwing out all kinds of excuses to try and stop it.  It would seem logical that if there is nothing to hide there is nothing to fear.  But there seems to be a lot of fear and perhaps a hint of panic.  So given the chance to prove their contentions all is on the up-and-up but declining to support an effort that would produce real tangible proof of their conclusions, what other way to explain all the resistance?

 

Like Hamlet "methinks the lady doth protest too much"!

What makes you 100% sure of that?  Like I said above if its so absurd why all the effort and resources sent to try and stop it?  Maybe somebody is crapping their pants worried about something?  Or crapping in his adult diapers more than he normally does?  

 

You guys are funny.  Pushing the integrity of elections narrative but scared of any attempts to prove it. 

It was proven in Arizona by audits done by the state.  What is now going on is an effort to overturn that audit being done by a company with no experience in doing so, using individuals who include someone who was at the Jan 6th insurrection.  Those independent observers who have been allowed in to watch have reported that the entire operation is a disorganized mess.  

 

The DO J, the states that audited and certified their elections, and the courts verified the results.  And you think this nonsense going on now in Arizona will somehow be more relevant?  Wake up.

 

They are trying to stop it because they recognize the rigged nature of this nonsense, because it has no legal basis to be conducted, and because they know if it’s allowed to continue it will permanently destroy our electoral system and ultimately our democracy.  Any state legislature, regardless of who holds the majority, could then just decide they don’t like results, hire some fly by night company to give them the result they want, and in doing so deny the will of the people.

Edited May 11, 2021 by oldmanfan

[All_Pro_Bills]

22 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It was proven in Arizona by audits done by the state.  What is now going on is an effort to overturn that audit being done by a company with no experience in doing so, using individuals who include someone who was at the Jan 6th insurrection.  Those independent observers who have been allowed in to watch have reported that the entire operation is a disorganized mess.  

 

The DO J, the states that audited and certified their elections, and the courts verified the results.  And you think this nonsense going on now in Arizona will somehow be more relevant?  Wake up.

 

They are trying to stop it because they recognize the rigged nature of this nonsense, because it has no legal basis to be conducted, and because they know if it’s allowed to continue it will permanently destroy our electoral system and ultimately our democracy.  Any state legislature, regardless of who holds the majority, could then just decide they don’t like results, hire some fly by night company to give them the result they want, and in doing so deny the will of the people.

Comical.  Our democracy is already destroyed.  You guys just refuse to see it..

[Tiberius]

36 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I don't know if they'll find anything or not and neither do you.  But I find the drama surrounding the effort interesting. 

 

Like why did the DNC send their top-gun lawyers to Arizona to stop it?  And that failing the DOJ is getting involved.  That seems odd.  Why do they care?  If the state wants to waste time and resources that;s their business.  But instead DOJ is throwing out all kinds of excuses to try and stop it.  It would seem logical that if there is nothing to hide there is nothing to fear.  But there seems to be a lot of fear and perhaps a hint of panic.  So given the chance to prove their contentions all is on the up-and-up but declining to support an effort that would produce real tangible proof of their conclusions, what other way to explain all the resistance?

 

Like Hamlet "methinks the lady doth protest too much"!

What makes you 100% sure of that?  Like I said above if its so absurd why all the effort and resources sent to try and stop it?  Maybe somebody is crapping their pants worried about something?  Or crapping in his adult diapers more than he normally does?  

 

You guys are funny.  Pushing the integrity of elections narrative but scared of any attempts to prove it. 

It is sore loserism pure and simple. Move on already. Or don't, I don't care 

[716er]

Just now, Tiberius said:

It is sore loserism pure and simple. Move on already. Or don't, I don't care 

 

They're sad because their favorite meme said libs would still be screaming losers in 2021. 

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Comical.  Our democracy is already destroyed.  You guys just refuse to see it..

Explain your stance.  

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

They're sad because their favorite meme said libs would still be screaming losers in 2021. 

Yup. They just loved 2016 so much they forgot there would be another election

[T master]

On 11/25/2020 at 4:23 AM, TBBills said:

How to fix voter fraud....

Simple don't allow Donald Trump to ever run for anything and you won't have the problem.

 

Donald likes to lie and thinks voter fraud in the hundreds of thousands happened... Problem is we live in the real world where that never happened.

Trump's plan seems to be if he doesn't win he wants to tear this country apart and he is doing a good job at it. He should never be allowed to run again... Unless you guys want to make a third party than by all means go ahead

 

 

 

[T master]

On 5/10/2021 at 1:16 PM, Governor said:

No state systems getting hacked like 2016 either. It was the most successful and secure election in history.

 

IT WAS THEM DAMB RUSSIANS THEY ARE BEHIND EVERYTHING THEY DID IT FOR TRUMP & HE COORDINATED IT ALL PLUS THEY HACKED THE PIPE LINE TOO !!  WILL IT EVER END ?

 

Oh sorry i went back in time seeing as thats the political theme . Excuse me please i'll try to get a grip 😞 .  I just had a moment .

[frostbitmic]

The GQP needs more Jewish space lasers to start fires in polling places in Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee etc ... Stop the squeal, I mean steal.

[B-Man]

[BillStime]