B-Man Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 SHOCK: WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT ‘NUKED THE LOCKDOWNS,’ BUSINESSES CAN REOPEN. “While the Journal-Sentinel claimed that the court ‘struck down Gov. Tony Evers’ order,’ the very first line of the opinion, written by Chief Justice Patience Roggensack, contradicts this claim. ‘This case is about the assertion of power by one unelected official, Andrea Palm, and her order to all people within Wisconsin to remain in their homes, not to travel and to close all businesses that she declares are not ‘essential’ in Emergency Order 28. Palm says that failure to obey Order 28 subjects the transgressor to imprisonment for 30 days, a $250 fine or both. This case is not about Governor Tony Evers’ Emergency Order or the powers of the Governor,’ Roggensack argues.” #RESISTANCE: Sheriff rejects call by Virginia governor to enforce lockdown, cites Constitution. 4
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Get Trump out of office. Full stop. Right ! He questions the goal, then lists the excuses being given in order to achieve it. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BillStime said: Even if 1/4 of this happened, it's way too much but carry on liberal. Trump’s Russia Cover-Up By the Numbers – 272 contacts with Russia-linked operatives It's the Moscow Project -- a source which has proven to be wrong about everything they've written on this subject. But please note #56 on the list, Joseph Mifsud. It's claimed he's a Russian intelligence officer -- but we now know for a fact he was a member of the Clinton Foundation and a western spook. ... So if they got that very big fact wrong, how can you put stock in anything they say? Edited May 14, 2020 by Deranged Rhino 1
GG Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, BillStime said: Even if 1/4 of this happened, it's way too much but carry on liberal. Trump’s Russia Cover-Up By the Numbers – 272 contacts with Russia-linked operatives You still haven't defined "operatives" 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, GG said: You still haven't defined "operatives" Clearly he defines "Russian operatives" as active Clinton Foundation members. 1
snafu Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, dubs said: The thing I really don't quite understand is, what is the specific, quantifiable goal that the continued shut downers are trying to achieve. I've heard a wide range: - Until a vaccine is available - Newsome - If we can save one life - Cuomo - Until the science says so - countless people The first two are quantifiable yet so absurd. The last one doesn't really mean anything. If Remainers (outside of Newsome and Cuomo's absurd standard) maintain that we need to balance opening with strict mitigation, then what is the standard or goal we are optimizing for using these models? Is it a death rate? Is it an absolute number of deaths? Is it infection rates and hospitalizations? A combination of those and if so, what are the metrics they are hoping to attain? This is what leads me to believe they have absolutely no idea what they are doing because the only outcome it seems they are trying to achieve is complete minimization of the virus without regard for any other consideration. Yes, the goals haven’t been clearly articulated by the politicians. And when they have, the finish line keeps getting pushed back. The reasoning has been provided by science experts. Most of the politicians haven’t spent a day in the private sector. I get the fact that they have hard decisions to make, I just hope they’re balancing everything correctly. It doesn’t appear so, at least not to me. Most of the science experts can’t see outside their empirical bubble. And even though the’ve been given the reins to make governing decisions, they weren’t elected by anyone. I’m hoping that there’s not too much weight on their advice. At at the end of the day, these are humans making hard decisions. It would be nice if they could articulate their reasonable end game. And it would be even nicer if politics could be removed from the equation. But that second one is a pipe dream. 1 1
BillStime Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Clearly he defines "Russian operatives" as active Clinton Foundation members. Fair enough - 271 meetings with Russia... but its all hoax.
snafu Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, PelotonBillsFan said: Completely unresponsive. “Thanks”. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, BillStime said: Fair enough - 271 meetings with Russia... but its all hoax. If you go through that list, you'll see it's all bull####. It's the Rob Reiner's group -- literally meathead is who you've chosen to listen to. 3
GG Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Fair enough - 271 meetings with Russia... but its all hoax. Took a quick look. Those weren't meetings, but REQUESTS for meetings & appearances. None of them were with Trump. 2
dubs Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, shoshin said: NYS is pretty much using the CDC guidelines put out by the administration. Those guidelines are excellent. Guidelines to achieve what end? how can we have guidelines if we don't know what we are trying to accomplish. All I am asking is, What is the goal? @snafu described this very well just now.
shoshin Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, dubs said: Guidelines to achieve what end? how can we have guidelines if we don't know what we are trying to accomplish. All I am asking is, What is the goal? @snafu described this very well just now. The title of the CDC guidelines is pretty clear to state the goal. Opening Up America.
GG Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: The title of the CDC guidelines is pretty clear to state the goal. Opening Up America. The biggest problem with CDC guidelines is the one size fits all approach for the entire country. That's not feasible even in NYS. 1 5
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: The biggest problem with CDC guidelines is the one size fits all approach for the entire country. That's not feasible even in NYS. Couldn’t agree more. Why is the outcome of those who get Covid 19 important to opening up ? Shouldn’t the goal be hospital capacity and proper care for those who contract it ? Why aren’t we counting recoveries , including those who recover at home ? The outcome shouldn’t affect the ability of others to earn a living. Cuomo’s guidelines are pretty much impossible for most areas of NY. He has no intention of opening up, just of tanking the NY economy and using the crisis to bailout his mismanaged mess. 3
dubs Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, shoshin said: The title of the CDC guidelines is pretty clear to state the goal. Opening Up America. I think you are missing the point and I am not trying to be condescending. If it sounds that way, I apologize. If the goal was to Open Up America, we would be open. So that's not the goal even if that's what it says. It's Open Up America with some type of mitigation of the virus. But there is no definition of that. 3
snafu Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, dubs said: Guidelines to achieve what end? how can we have guidelines if we don't know what we are trying to accomplish. All I am asking is, What is the goal? @snafu described this very well just now. The bold text is an excellent question. Leadership is about managing people’s expectations and making rational, non-arbitrary decisions. Normal citizens without agendas understand this. 2
FireChans Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, snafu said: The bold text is an excellent question. Leadership is about managing people’s expectations and making rational, non-arbitrary decisions. Normal citizens without agendas understand this. There just aren’t many of those any more. For even suggesting people need to eventually return to work, you are called a murderer. Edited May 14, 2020 by FireChans 2 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Couldn’t agree more. Why is the outcome of those who get Covid 19 important to opening up ? Shouldn’t the goal be hospital capacity and proper care for those who contract it ? Why aren’t we counting recoveries , including those who recover at home ? The outcome shouldn’t affect the ability of others to earn a living. Cuomo’s guidelines are pretty much impossible for most areas of NY. He has no intention of opening up, just of tanking the NY economy and using the crisis to bailout his mismanaged mess. ...of course.....Pelosi's bill has ONE TRILLION DOLLARS in it for states......Cuomo wants 60 billion (before Covid-19, projected budget shortfall was 7 billion because of his sound fiscal management)….Grusome Newsome is 58 billion in the red....and Illinois Governor (yup, HIM) wants 41 billion which includes 10 billion for their ongoing unfunded pension liability...and what does Covid-19 have to do with that?...SMH...……. 1 1
Chef Jim Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 9 hours ago, daz28 said: For Christs sake man, they give you the answer. A Fourth Amendment "seizure" occurs when a vehicle is stopped at a checkpoint That comes from the Supreme Court not me, Those are their words, not mine, They clearly admit that a stop is an illegal seizure.... BUTTTTTTT HILLARYYYYY(well actually DWI) In real life they established that the illegal seizure WAS REASONABLE. BUTTTTT MYYYY RIGGGHTTSSSSS. NEVER EVER GIVE UP A RIGHT CUZ SOME DAYZ A COVIDZ Obama MIGHT GET YOU. Sorry but the theatrics are for Mr DR who you all hold in high esteem for being disingenuous. He wouldn't know a TRUE RIGHT if both of them slapped him in the nose in the heat of passion. When they stop you what are they seizing other than your time? If it was deemed a violation of your rights why are they still being conducted? And what does Hillary have to do with this?
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