There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[B-Man]

 

 

TYLER O’NEIL: What’s the Real Story Behind Continuing Lockdowns? 

 

“While the lockdowns began as a public health measure, their continued extension appears to have more to do with power than safety.”

 

 

 

Lots of good stuff here from Tyler, well put together.

 

 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

So is it up to the states or the feds to set policy here? The see-sawing without a plan is unfortunate. 

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

TYLER O’NEIL: What’s the Real Story Behind Continuing Lockdowns? 

 

“While the lockdowns began as a public health measure, their continued extension appears to have more to do with power than safety.”

 

 

 

Lots of good stuff here from Tyler, well put together.

 

 

 

 

^^^This. It’s about power and politics; “ safe” and “ safety” have become the most overused terms by lefty politicians. It’s a falsehood, and it’s being used to justify outrageous power grabs. There is no being “ safe” from this (or any other )virus. We won’t be any safer a month or two or six from now than we currently are. It’s a stall tactic, and it’s also a lie. 

[Whatnot78]

58 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

it’s about time.

 

We will see how long it lasts now that Virginia has announced they will be counting all positive tests as new cases, even if it is they same person given a test in consecutive days.

 

It will make it look worse than it is

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

4 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

SALENA ZITO: On Virginia-Tennessee border, one side is now open for business while the other is still on lockdown.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

The Mayor of the city that just released 1,300 actual criminals from jail to slow spread of Covid 19. How ironic of a statement. To heck with freedom of assembly in Chicago; it seems. 

 

..why would ANYTHING Chicago or Illinois surprise you?......Obama and Emanuel  were innocent victims of locaton, location, location....

 

Why Congress should reject Illinois’ $44 billion bailout request

Adam Schuster-ILLINOIS POLICY

Director of Budget and Tax Research

 

Two decades of fiscal mismanagement have left state finances ill-prepared for the COVID-19 pandemic. Congress should condition any additional aid for troubled states on taxpayer protections that ensure pensions are solvent, accounting is realistic and budgets are balanced.

 

Now, with fallout from COVID-19 exposing that mismanagement, Illinois Senate President Don Harmon wants a federal bailout worth at least $44.2 billion.

 

Without strict consumer protections against risky bets, insider deals and other predatory behavior from state lawmakers, a bailout for Illinois or other states struggling with fiscal crises of their own making would be ineffective and harmful to residents already suffering under a broken system.

 

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/why-congress-should-reject-illinois-44-billion-bailout-request/

 

The Most Corrupt States In America

Feb 19, 2020,06:40am EST

 

Niall McCarthy   Forbes Contributor

 

A new report from the University of Chicago has shed light on the U.S. cities and states with the most public-sector corruption. Co-authored by UIC professor and political advisor Dick Simpson, the report is based on an analysis of public corruption statistics released by the U.S. Department of Justice. Across all states and Federal Judicial Districts in the United States, there have been 19,634 public corruption convictions over the past ten years. In 2018 alone, 695 public official, federal employees and government contractors were convicted of public corruption.

 

The research found that Chicago remains the most corrupt city in the United States with the Illinois-Northern Judicial District recording 1,750 public corruption convictions from 1976 to 2018.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/02/19/the-most-corrupt-states-in-america-infographic/#558443f42101

Edited May 4, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Magox]

2 hours ago, Warren Zevon said:

So is it up to the states or the feds to set policy here? The see-sawing without a plan is unfortunate. 

Not sure where the confusion lies.  It’s up to the states to set policy and the federal government sets guidelines.

[Foxx]

7 minutes ago, Magox said:

Not sure where the confusion lies.  It’s up to the states to set policy and the federal government sets guidelines.

Sybil isn't exactly sure which voice in her head is currently narrating...

[Koko78]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

LET’S GET BACK TO WORK: 

 

Nobel Prize-winning scientist shares COVID-19 data showing strict lockdowns were an overreaction. 

 

“…the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor.”

 

 

 

So, how do the folks who keep saying those who want to open back are crazy react ?

 

 

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I believe that today's talking point is that anyone who wants to open back up are violent white supremacist Nazis.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Q-baby!]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

So, like Dr.Trump being able to walk down fifth Avenue and shoot someone and not lose any voters. Interesting! 

[B-Man]

 

 

No one should be surprised.............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The lie: Former New Yorker writer Talia Lavin posted a picture of an April 20 demonstration in Pittsburgh, protesting Gov. Tom Wolf’s nearly two-month-long stay-at-home order and shutdown of nonessential businesses.

 

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette photographer Andrew Rush attended the rally and posted pictures of the event on Twitter.

 

One of the pictures Lavin shared on her Twitter account features Jill Cooper of Murrysville, a longtime conservative activist and Trump supporter, holding a sign that read: “Work Sets You Free,” the English translation of the German slogan “Arbeit Macht Frei” that is displayed over the entrance of the Auschwitz Nazi concentration camp.

 

The truth: Independent Oregon journalist Andy Ngo, however, revealed that Lavin’s photo was doctored and posted the original photo showing Cooper holding a sign that actually read: “Free Small Business.”

 

“This sign in Pittsburgh was doctored & circulated online to have a Nazi concentration camp slogan. Real photo on the right by photographer Andrew Rush. People are working overdrive to smear all “reopen America” protesters as fascists. When they can’t find them, they create them,” Ngo wrote.

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[dubs]

10 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

No one should be surprised.............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The lie: Former New Yorker writer Talia Lavin posted a picture of an April 20 demonstration in Pittsburgh, protesting Gov. Tom Wolf’s nearly two-month-long stay-at-home order and shutdown of nonessential businesses.

 

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette photographer Andrew Rush attended the rally and posted pictures of the event on Twitter.

 

One of the pictures Lavin shared on her Twitter account features Jill Cooper of Murrysville, a longtime conservative activist and Trump supporter, holding a sign that read: “Work Sets You Free,” the English translation of the German slogan “Arbeit Macht Frei” that is displayed over the entrance of the Auschwitz Nazi concentration camp.

 

The truth: Independent Oregon journalist Andy Ngo, however, revealed that Lavin’s photo was doctored and posted the original photo showing Cooper holding a sign that actually read: “Free Small Business.”

 

“This sign in Pittsburgh was doctored & circulated online to have a Nazi concentration camp slogan. Real photo on the right by photographer Andrew Rush. People are working overdrive to smear all “reopen America” protesters as fascists. When they can’t find them, they create them,” Ngo wrote.

 

 

 

I really don't understand the logic of the people behind the "smear the 'reopen America' protesters" as fascist" at ALL.  It's illogical.

 

If you think about a spectrum of complete liberty on one end and complete government control on the other end, fascism and all forms of communism/socialism are at the far end of one side.  The "reopen America" protesters are advocating for the exact opposite of that, which is to say they want their life back, they want their freedoms back and they want their liberty.  The people who are fighting to remain closed are much closer to fascist, advocating for the government to keep business closed, keep people in their homes, and essentially tell us what we can and cannot do.

 

Now, I am not saying that everyone that wants society to remain on lockdown are in fact fascist, I don't believe that is the case at all.  I think the vast majority of those people are well-intentioned folks who are simply scared.  I get that.  But calling the other side "fascist" makes absolutely no sense at all.  They are the exact opposite of fascist, which is what makes those claims ludicrous.

 

 

[shoshin]

10 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

No one should be surprised.............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The lie: Former New Yorker writer Talia Lavin posted a picture of an April 20 demonstration in Pittsburgh, protesting Gov. Tom Wolf’s nearly two-month-long stay-at-home order and shutdown of nonessential businesses.

 

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette photographer Andrew Rush attended the rally and posted pictures of the event on Twitter.

 

One of the pictures Lavin shared on her Twitter account features Jill Cooper of Murrysville, a longtime conservative activist and Trump supporter, holding a sign that read: “Work Sets You Free,” the English translation of the German slogan “Arbeit Macht Frei” that is displayed over the entrance of the Auschwitz Nazi concentration camp.

 

The truth: Independent Oregon journalist Andy Ngo, however, revealed that Lavin’s photo was doctored and posted the original photo showing Cooper holding a sign that actually read: “Free Small Business.”

 

“This sign in Pittsburgh was doctored & circulated online to have a Nazi concentration camp slogan. Real photo on the right by photographer Andrew Rush. People are working overdrive to smear all “reopen America” protesters as fascists. When they can’t find them, they create them,” Ngo wrote.

 

 

 

This is a non-Covid observation but I note this: I wouldn't lay the blame for this image manipulation necessarily on someone with a leftist agenda. It could be either side or another actor who did this. The sign wouldn't make the left as triggered as an image showing manipulation will make the right. Consider the outcome and you might find a different bad actor than you think. 

Edited May 5, 2020 by shoshin

[Buffalo_Gal]

Trump: Coronavirus briefings will return, blasts ‘angry’ CBS News reporter
 

</snip>
 

Trump, who ended the daily briefings last week, said there would continue to be one or two a week as he pivots from crisis management to reopening the economy. He said his new White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, would be holding court at some of those sessions.
 

</snip>
 

Me: Anyone would watched the pressers knew who he would single out. They are both very disrespectful. Paula Reid's hubby is paid by China. I understand why she is so angry, nasty, and screechy. Weijia Jiang is a native of Xiamen in China. I cannot believe he calls on either one of them.
 

</snip>  
 

He singled out two CBS News journalists as people who particularly irritated him — Weijia Jiang and Paula Reid — during the briefings.
 

</snip>

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[B-Man]

We’re seeing a bunch of talking heads (‘experts’) predicting WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE if and when we open the country based of course on the same model that got everything so wrong in the first place, the IHME. They keep saying the same crap over and over again, ‘While the model’s assumptions are unclear and estimates are uncertain,’ …

 

Well, then why the Hell would we use it to make any real decisions?!?!

 

Even Brit Hume has had enough of this BS:

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

Issues & Insights offers six state-level proto-tyrants whose pandemic edicts make them solid candidates for recall campaigns. Whitmer of Michigan and Newsom of California are obvious candidates, and the latter might want to consult with one of his predecessors, Gray Davis, who knows a lot about recalls.