shoshin Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Magox said: It will. But that's not the point. It's a true statement to say that every day that they don't replenish the funds is a day where more businesses will permanently shudder. So to have a blase attitude with no urgency is something that should be highlighted. Because there is urgency involved here and businesses are at stake. My company is in line for the PPP money too, and it won't be enough but it will help. But when we are spending 2.3T in a few weeks time, it can take a day or two. The PPP rollout has changed multiple times since it was passed and it's being implemented in wayes the CARES act is not written. On another note, the NYS shutdown to May 15 seems like a dramatic overreaction. I know the IHME model has not been good but it's also been the best thing we have, and it shows that the health crisis will be way behind us on May 1. May 15 is waiting for it to get to near 0. We can't wait that long. Maybe in NYC they will need to but the rest of the country can't. This is the NYC projected healthcare needs. Edited April 16, 2020 by shoshin 1
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: My company is in line for the PPP money too, and it won't be enough but it will help. But when we are spending 2.3T in a few weeks time, it can take a day or two. The PPP rollout has changed multiple times since it was passed and it's being implemented in wayes the CARES act is not written. On another note, the NYS shutdown to May 15 seems like a dramatic overreaction. I know the IHME model has not been good but it's also been the best thing we have, and it shows that the health crisis will be way behind us on May 1. May 15 is waiting for it to get to near 0. We can't wait that long. Maybe in NYC they will need to but the rest of the country can't. This is the NYC projected healthcare needs. I am very eager to see how things unfold. I see how the PA. state senate passed something asking for the Democratic Governor to begin lifting the Stay-at-home order and gradually phase in the economy following CDC's eventual guidelines. He is threatening to Veto that. I have a feeling this is going to be a common theme, Democratic Governors extending stay-at-home orders and slow to restart their phase in's of the economy vs the red states. I think this will be the next political battle field similar to what we are seeing in KY, NC and Michigan. I don't know, but my sense is that the governors who are perceived as slow and overly cautious are going to be playing a lot of defense over the next couple months.
shoshin Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Magox said: I don't know, but my sense is that the governors who are perceived as slow and overly cautious are going to be playing a lot of defense over the next couple months. This is exactly right. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I really hope there are specifics but I doubt there will be. Not a knock on the administration. Just that it's too early for them to have that in hand. Edited April 16, 2020 by shoshin
RochesterRob Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 Cuomo extending shutdown until May 15 per Marketwatch earlier today. 1
Koko78 Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, shoshin said: My company is in line for the PPP money too, and it won't be enough but it will help. But when we are spending 2.3T in a few weeks time, it can take a day or two. The PPP rollout has changed multiple times since it was passed and it's being implemented in wayes the CARES act is not written. On another note, the NYS shutdown to May 15 seems like a dramatic overreaction. I know the IHME model has not been good but it's also been the best thing we have, and it shows that the health crisis will be way behind us on May 1. May 15 is waiting for it to get to near 0. We can't wait that long. Maybe in NYC they will need to but the rest of the country can't. This is the NYC projected healthcare needs. I can tell you that as of yesterday, the NY Court shutdown has been extended to May 30 for most matters. 1
3rdnlng Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 56 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I can tell you that as of yesterday, the NY Court shutdown has been extended to May 30 for most matters. I'm not sure I understand why the government entities have to decide today what's going to happen 4-6 weeks from now. One would think that they would follow things closely enough that they could keep extending the shutdown by a week or two if needed. Again, I guess they could be trying to lower expectations.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I'm not sure I understand why the government entities have to decide today what's going to happen 4-6 weeks from now. One would think that they would follow things closely enough that they could keep extending the shutdown by a week or two if needed. Again, I guess they could be trying to lower expectations. ...because you're trying to rationalize with common sense.......flatly refuse to politicize the decision making process re-opening which should be at the states level....what is the priority of politicians at the top state level and down in making re-opening decisions?.....is the fear factor tempered by their re-election being affected or the infection/death toll in their state?....which do you think is their priority?.....is there a "wait and see" position as far as "let's see what our neighboring state(s) do ?......a/k/a "who wants to go first?".....
3rdnlng Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...because you're trying to rationalize with common sense.......flatly refuse to politicize the decision making process re-opening which should be at the states level....what is the priority of politicians at the top state level and down in making re-opening decisions?.....is the fear factor tempered by their re-election being affected or the infection/death toll in their state?....which do you think is their priority?.....is there a "wait and see" position as far as "let's see what our neighboring state(s) do ?......a/k/a "who wants to go first?"..... Everyone in business knows that you don't make a firm decision today that can be put off until tomorrow. Make that decision when you have to along with gathering up the most and latest information.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Everyone in business knows that you don't make a firm decision today that can be put off until tomorrow. Make that decision when you have to along with gathering up the most and latest information. ...for 44 years and still going, I have weighed all of the parameters necessary when I have to make a corporate decision......hindsight is a beautiful tool but NOT available at decision making time......have some worked?....yes...have others failed?...of course......have I learned from the ones that failed?.......think I'd still be employed after 44 years if I didn't admit my failures and made necessary corrections going forward?..........
B-Man Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 White House guidelines for reopening economy PDF here: https://www.scribd.com/document/456756096/White-House-guidelines-for-reopening-economy#from_embed 2
B-Man Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 POLITICO: The Shutdown Backlash Is Coming Soon—With a Vengeance: It’s possible to support the stay-at-home order and still deeply resent it. Well, especially when the politicians are hypocritical — hello, Lori Lightfoot — and the rules are nonsensical and ever-stricter — hello, Gretchen Whitmer. OHIO GOVERNOR ANNOUNCES ECONOMIC REOPENING STARTING MAY 1. . . 2
snafu Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Koko78 said: I can tell you that as of yesterday, the NY Court shutdown has been extended to May 30 for most matters. I’m wondering if judges are writing orders during this down time to cut into the thick backlog that exists. If so, will they issue all these backed up orders June 1 (or whenever)? That’s going to be a nightmare. Lots of appeals filed at the same time. Lots of motions to reargue. On top of that, there’s probably a ton of complaints just idling on lawyers’ desks right now. They’re all going to get pushed into the system at the same time. And the Summer months are usually the quiet months.
Koko78 Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 49 minutes ago, snafu said: I’m wondering if judges are writing orders during this down time to cut into the thick backlog that exists. If so, will they issue all these backed up orders June 1 (or whenever)? That’s going to be a nightmare. Lots of appeals filed at the same time. Lots of motions to reargue. On top of that, there’s probably a ton of complaints just idling on lawyers’ desks right now. They’re all going to get pushed into the system at the same time. And the Summer months are usually the quiet months. Superior Court/Family Court Judges have been instructed to hold Skype conferences to try and settle cases, decide any pending motions on the papers, etc. on anything that is currently pending (anticipating the flood of new filings.) Basically they have to start with their oldest cases, then move on to whatever can be decided on papers/settled quickly. I feel bad for the clerks who have to process all of the new filings once the ban on new ***** is lifted. Of course, any statutory/regulatory time limits on filings/appeals have been administratively tolled (not quite sure that's legal, but whatever.) Town/Village Courts are going to be even more problematic. They're not allowed to operate at all, or even have clerks come in the office alone, just to catch up on old stuff. Oh, on top of that, they have to keep adjourning things, notifying the litigants/defendants (and any attorneys) of their adjourn dates, using their new notification system, without actually being allowed to come into the office to access their new notification system. The criminal stuff isn't going to be anywhere near as bad as the traffic tickets. If they open the Courts back up in June, I can see the logjam in Justice Courts lasting until September/October. The logjam in Supreme/County/Family/Surrogates Courts are going to last years in the busy counties (Erie, Monroe, NYC, etc.) They may end up needing to create a crapton of Family Court Judge/Judicial Hearing Officer positions for the larger counties. As it is right now, doing a Family Court Trial in NYC can literally take years, as you only get an hour or two (if you're really lucky) set aside for trial every few months. It's going to be worse with a 2+ month backlog, just in intake. On the plus side, the Office of Court Administration is only changing things every few weeks now, instead of every few hours. 1
Hardhatharry Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Democrats actually have nothing to do with this...
JetsFan20 Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 They can re-open the economy, but I personally won’t be going to bars, restaurants (outside of takeout every now and then), airports, gyms, or large gatherings for a while. You realize 20 percent of people under 45 are hospitalized from this thing? F That. People can talk tough all they want until they are a family member ends up in the hospital. I don’t think the government have any idea the scope of this thing either as nobody has any answers for the lack of testing.
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