BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: It is all important, of course. However, there is no denying that school is a form of daycare for parents who would not otherwise be able to go to work if their children were home all day. Just now, plenzmd1 said: but just you wait and see, the very same people and politicians who scream we need to keep the schools closed will be the very same screaming ne need more money for expanded capapity in childcare so people can get back to work...cause ya know, the virus will spread like crazy in school and the teachers and the teachers families will be at risk, but it checks itself at the front door of a childcare center and the care givers there and their families are immune to the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: good gif game, why you scared to discuss the subject? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/03/big-factor-holding-back-us-economic-recovery-child-care/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: but just you wait and see, the very same people and politicians who scream we need to keep the schools closed will be the very same screaming ne need more money for expanded capapity in childcare so people can get back to work...cause ya know, the virus will spread like crazy in school and the teachers and the teachers families will be at risk, but it checks itself at the front door of a childcare center and the care givers there and their families are immune to the virus. Trump tweeted about possibly cutting funding if schools do not reopen. I am not sure how that would work, but it is very important that schools reopen in the fall. Saying that, if I am over 60, especially with a preexisting condition that might make me more vulnerable to COVID-19, I am retiring. For the kids? Way worse to keep 'em home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: good gif game, why you scared to discuss the subject? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/03/big-factor-holding-back-us-economic-recovery-child-care/ What's to discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: good gif game, why you scared to discuss the subject? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/03/big-factor-holding-back-us-economic-recovery-child-care/ Daycare/ child care is important but these parents need a job to go back to. Yes, the government is taking care of them at the moment but the longer some businesses stay closed the less likely they are to reopen. Dairy farming is important and with the shutdown the demand for milk byproducts such as cheese has fallen off greatly. The government for the moment is propping them up but the day is coming where no support is coming. Dairy farming is very important for many communities in WNY. I am happy for the comebacks that have happened to this point but worry a fair number of them will only be temporary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Trump tweeted about possibly cutting funding if schools do not reopen. I am not sure how that would work, but it is very important that schools reopen in the fall. Saying that, if I am over 60, especially with a preexisting condition that might make me more vulnerable to COVID-19, I am retiring. For the kids? Way worse to keep 'em home. and those teachers should be able to stay home and get full pay and benefits, absolutely. But remember, the demographic of child care workers vs teachers is much different, and child care workers and their families are in a much higher risk group...so that is why people will be okay with keeping schools closed and forcing kids into childcare... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: good gif game, why you scared to discuss the subject? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/03/big-factor-holding-back-us-economic-recovery-child-care/ He doesn't know how to debate. Never did, never will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: What's to discuss? you think schools should be closed obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: What's to discuss? The topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: He doesn't know how to debate. Never did, never will. 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: you think schools should be closed obviously I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, BillStime said: I do? so you agree with Trump schools need to be open in the fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: and those teachers should be able to stay home and get full pay and benefits, absolutely. But remember, the demographic of child care workers vs teachers is much different, and child care workers and their families are in a much higher risk group...so that is why people will be okay with keeping schools closed and forcing kids into childcare... How is the bolded possible? Do they need to prove they're more at risk? Isn't that against the law for the school to require medical information like that? Might as well never retire with that sweet gig. Edited July 8, 2020 by LB3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, plenzmd1 said: so you agree with Trump schools need to be open in the fall? As long as it is safe and the experts way in - sure, why not? I do not take ANY advice from this guy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, LB3 said: How is the bolded possible? Do they need to prove they're more at risk? Isn't that against the law for the school to require medical information like that? could be,,but age is obviously known, and i am sure any underlying conditions can be documented if teacher wants to stay home. But also see your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: could be,,but age is obviously known, and i am sure any underlying conditions can be documented if teacher wants to stay home. But also see your point Teacher can stay home and Zoom in his/her curriculum. It's not rocket surgery. I'm in a VERY people oriented business. I have not sat in the same room with a client for nearly 4 months and have been busier than ever. Edited July 8, 2020 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 @BillStime in every thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Teacher can stay home and Zoom in his/her curriculum. It's not rocket surgery. I'm in a VERY people oriented business. I have not sat in the same room with a client for nearly 4 months and have been busier than ever. Same. I also come from a family of educators - they would prefer to be IN the classroom and not on ZOOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Millions and millions are back to work, and many never stopped working. I find it laughable that the government run schools with their union teachers feel like they're the only ones that cannot get back to work. Hilarious! (I'm sure it's "all about the kids".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: As long as it is safe and the experts way in - sure, why not? I do not take ANY advice from this guy: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/coronavirus-schools-reopening-guidelines-aap.html https://www.npr.org/2020/06/24/882316641/what-parents-can-learn-from-child-care-centers-that-stayed-open-during-lockdowns You need more ? Or is the American Academy of Peditrics not good enough? And in and article researched and reported by well known Trump mouthpiece NPR. sources like the conservative bastion Brown University and the YMCA have zero instance of transmission in child care centers catering to children of front line workers..you know the very people who are working with Covid patients everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, plenzmd1 said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/coronavirus-schools-reopening-guidelines-aap.html https://www.npr.org/2020/06/24/882316641/what-parents-can-learn-from-child-care-centers-that-stayed-open-during-lockdowns You need more ? Or is the American Academy of Peditrics not good enough? And in and article researched and reported by well known Trump mouthpiece NPR. sources like the conservative bastion Brown University and the YMCA have zero instance of transmission in child care centers catering to children of front line workers..you know the very people who are working with Covid patients everyday. lmao - look at you trying to stir the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Teacher can stay home and Zoom in his/her curriculum. It's not rocket surgery. I'm in a VERY people oriented business. I have not sat in the same room with a client for nearly 4 months and have been busier than ever. I can see it working in your industry. Interaction with a present teacher is important for kids. Will an aide be needed in every room where a teacher decides to stay home? Edited July 8, 2020 by LB3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Millions and millions are back to work, and many never stopped working. I find it laughable that the government run schools with their union teachers feel like they're the only ones that cannot get back to work. Hilarious! (I'm sure it's "all about the kids".) Where is this coming from? Trump is the only one making this an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Where is this coming from? Trump is the only one making this an issue. Are you living under a rock? Everything in the world doesn't begin and end with Donald Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Are you living under a rock? Everything in the world doesn't begin and end with Donald Trump. Nope. I just can't find anyone in a position of power saying their public grade schools are closed this fall. Help me out - besides Trump always needing an enemy and dividing us daily - where are all the Superintendents and Governors saying onsite learning is not happening this fall? I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, BillStime said: Where is this coming from? 7 minutes ago, BillStime said: Trump is the only one making this an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, BillStime said: Nope. I just can't find anyone in a position of power saying their public grade schools are closed this fall. Help me out - besides Trump always needing an enemy and dividing us daily - where are all the Superintendents and Governors saying onsite learning is not happening this fall? I'll wait. Gov. Eva Braun of Michigan isn't sure she wants schools to open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, bilzfancy said: Gov. Eva Braun of Michigan isn't sure she wants schools to open But... where did she say they were closed this fall? This is just like when Trump brought back CHRISTMAS? LMAO Who is trying to distract from his lack of leadership over COVID? Economy? Bountys? Race relations? Rising disapproval rates? This guy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, BillStime said: Same. I also come from a family of educators - they would prefer to be IN the classroom and not on ZOOM. Of course they would. But that or they are out of work and/or no education for the kids what do you think they'd choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Of course they would. But that or they are out of work and/or no education for the kids what do you think they'd choose? They will do what they did the past four months and teach from home. This is not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, BillStime said: Nope. I just can't find anyone in a position of power saying their public grade schools are closed this fall. Help me out - besides Trump always needing an enemy and dividing us daily - where are all the Superintendents and Governors saying onsite learning is not happening this fall? I'll wait. Then why is it a concern to you? Issue closed. Sheeesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Then why is it a concern to you? Issue closed. Sheeesh! I didn't bring it up - talk to Trump's press secretaries: @B-Man @Buffalo_Gal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, BillStime said: They will do what they did the past four months and teach from home. This is not rocket science. No that is not what they have been doing the past four months. The kids have been stuck at home. Having the kids in a classroom with a Zoom teacher if necessary solves many problems. One: Childcare for working parents. Two: kids with no or poor access to internet. 5 minutes ago, BillStime said: I didn't bring it up - talk to Trump's press secretaries: @B-Man @Buffalo_Gal Bringing it up is not all that is involved. https://lmgtfy.com/?q=discussion https://lmgtfy.com/?q=debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: No that is not what they have been doing the past four months. The kids have been stuck at home. Having the kids in a classroom with a Zoom teacher if necessary solves many problems. One: Childcare for working parents. Two: kids with no or poor access to internet. Bringing it up is not all that is involved. https://lmgtfy.com/?q=discussion https://lmgtfy.com/?q=debate You asked what my family would want. Don't speak to me about what my family did. You don't know. Edited July 8, 2020 by BillStime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, BillStime said: You asked what my family would want. Don't speak to me about what my family did. You don't know. Tell us then. What did your parents do with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, BillStime said: You asked what my family would want. Don't speak to me about what my family did. You don't know. So you took my "they" to mean your family? No the "they" I was referring to were teachers in general. Testy testy lefty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So you took my "they" to mean your family? No the "they" I was referring to were teachers in general. Testy testy lefty. Oh Ref, you get testy here ALL the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Oh Ref, you get testy here ALL the time. Nah. I ask questions that get your panties in a bind. Then you come back with some lame meme. Yadda yadda yadda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 @BillStime Perfect example. You laugh. Come at me. Debate me. Try to answer my questions. You don't because you can't. You lose every time you run away or hide behind some dumbass childish meme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: @BillStime Perfect example. You laugh. Come at me. Debate me. Try to answer my questions. You don't because you can't. You lose every time you run away or hide behind some dumbass childish meme. Jim - you don't bring anything new to the table - you just nitpick where you see fit - why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, BillStime said: Jim - you don't bring anything new to the table - you just nitpick where you see fit - why bother? Oh I bring lots to the table. I bring a debate. I ask questions to dig deep into why people have stated the position they have made. If they have any integrity they will defend their position by answering the question. Those with no integrity come back with silly responses or dumb memes and refuse to answer my questions. Sorry if you don't know what a debate looks like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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