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Now that we know millions can work from home via the internet, I suggest we outsource those jobs next, while shutting down our food production and opening our borders to the third world. We can all live happily ever after on welfare. Just remember to do exactly what the government tells you to do and take your shots when ordered. A good citizen obeys their government.

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There needs to be a national dialogue about this. Unfortunately with the way Trump oafishly says things and the way the media likes to cover the minutia of his words as opposed to the substance of it,

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Everyone's looking to the south and east for the first flare up -- but people should watch LA. 55% of the population is now unemployed (because: Hollywood is more than actors). The divide between the

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THE TIMES’ BRET STEPHENS IS ANGERING LOTS OF NEW YORKERS RIGHT NOW: 

 

America Shouldn’t Have to Play by New York Rules.

I write this from New York, so it’s an argument against my personal interest. But I don’t see why people living in a Nashville suburb should not be allowed to return to their jobs because people like me choose to live, travel and work in urban sardine cans.

 

Gina Raimondo, the Rhode Island governor, was on to something when, a few weeks ago, she wanted to quarantine drivers arriving from New York. The rest of America needs to get back to life. We New Yorkers prefer our own company, anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

JON GABRIEL: No, those who want to reopen the economy don’t want to kill old people.

 

“Lowering the speed limit to 5 mph would eliminate traffic-related deaths, but we accept an increased risk for the benefits of travel. The same approach applies to COVID-19 and every other public health issue.”

 
 
 

 

 

 

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From the above link:

 

“.. Americans are being told they must still play by New York rules — with all the hardships they entail — despite having neither New York’s living conditions nor [its] health outcomes. This is bad medicine, misguided public policy, and horrible politics.”

 

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As the rates of asymptomatic infection climb higher and higher, realize that mortality is plummeting like a rock.

Isolate high risk groups, everyone else can go back to work

 

 

 

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...perhaps I'm dead wrong, but there has to be some concern with food packaging plants experiencing high rates of Covid-19 and being shut down.....how can the food supply chain NOT be affected?.......what do you think would be the exacerbation to current "cabin fever" if it became widely public that the food supply chain was in jeopardy?....

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...I am in favor of "Phase I-III Federal Guidelines" relative to states reopening, with emphasis on "guidelines"....A dictating "one size fits all" from the Federal level makes zero sense IMO.....states have duly elected their leadership regardless of party affiliation, so let them show their leadership now....granted, there is NOT one elected official stateside, regardless of party, who ever imagined EVER facing a nationwide crisis such as Covid-19....but as the old adage says, "WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH, THE TOUGH GET GOING"...so let's see and hope for the best.........

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Even if New York’s plan and those put out by states such as Maryland come off without a hitch, they will take weeks, if not months, to ramp up, subject to any setbacks (e.g., a second wave). These states are coming to grips with the reality that much of life will not change to something approximating “normal” before we get a vaccine. You likely will not enter a store without a mask, sit in a crowded movie theater or restaurant, or fly on a plane. Before there is a vaccine, you might not go to a gym, the beach or a mall — no matter what the social distancing. If you are working from home now, you may very well still be working from home six months or a year from now. Moreover, your employer may eventually decide the business can lease half the space it currently does and have you work from home permanently.

Students at K-12 schools and at colleges may go through a full year in which they never physically meet a teacher or attend a school play or an athletic event in person. Instead of live theater, concerts and sports, we might get our entertainment in a pay-per-view format. Movie theaters were dying off anyway with streaming services and big home televisions; most of the rest may vanish as well. Don’t bank on watching a summer blockbuster movie in a theater. How many of these entertainment venues will disappear permanently is unknowable.
 
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24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Even if New York’s plan and those put out by states such as Maryland come off without a hitch, they will take weeks, if not months, to ramp up, subject to any setbacks (e.g., a second wave). These states are coming to grips with the reality that much of life will not change to something approximating “normal” before we get a vaccine. You likely will not enter a store without a mask, sit in a crowded movie theater or restaurant, or fly on a plane. Before there is a vaccine, you might not go to a gym, the beach or a mall — no matter what the social distancing. If you are working from home now, you may very well still be working from home six months or a year from now. Moreover, your employer may eventually decide the business can lease half the space it currently does and have you work from home permanently.

Students at K-12 schools and at colleges may go through a full year in which they never physically meet a teacher or attend a school play or an athletic event in person. Instead of live theater, concerts and sports, we might get our entertainment in a pay-per-view format. Movie theaters were dying off anyway with streaming services and big home televisions; most of the rest may vanish as well. Don’t bank on watching a summer blockbuster movie in a theater. How many of these entertainment venues will disappear permanently is unknowable.
 

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Wait, how long are we supposed to stay in lockdown?

by Karol Markowicz

 

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What are we waiting for? The question can be posed in either a wild, irresponsible way — or a sane, measured way.

 

In New York, our “pause” will continue until at least May 15, and New Yorkers are asking, in a measured, sane way: What exactly are we waiting for?

 

In the beginning, we had a goal: to flatten the curve. We were warned that COVID-19 would overtake our hospitals and cause a health-system collapse. We were to stay home to give our medical heroes a fighting chance. So we did,

 

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Even if New York’s plan and those put out by states such as Maryland come off without a hitch, they will take weeks, if not months, to ramp up, subject to any setbacks (e.g., a second wave). These states are coming to grips with the reality that much of life will not change to something approximating “normal” before we get a vaccine. You likely will not enter a store without a mask, sit in a crowded movie theater or restaurant, or fly on a plane. Before there is a vaccine, you might not go to a gym, the beach or a mall — no matter what the social distancing. If you are working from home now, you may very well still be working from home six months or a year from now. Moreover, your employer may eventually decide the business can lease half the space it currently does and have you work from home permanently.

Students at K-12 schools and at colleges may go through a full year in which they never physically meet a teacher or attend a school play or an athletic event in person. Instead of live theater, concerts and sports, we might get our entertainment in a pay-per-view format. Movie theaters were dying off anyway with streaming services and big home televisions; most of the rest may vanish as well. Don’t bank on watching a summer blockbuster movie in a theater. How many of these entertainment venues will disappear permanently is unknowable.
 

That is a foolish statement not based in the reality of the situation. Where are the tenants going to come from if half the people are working from home?

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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Even if New York’s plan and those put out by states such as Maryland come off without a hitch, they will take weeks, if not months, to ramp up, subject to any setbacks (e.g., a second wave). These states are coming to grips with the reality that much of life will not change to something approximating “normal” before we get a vaccine. You likely will not enter a store without a mask, sit in a crowded movie theater or restaurant, or fly on a plane. Before there is a vaccine, you might not go to a gym, the beach or a mall — no matter what the social distancing. If you are working from home now, you may very well still be working from home six months or a year from now. Moreover, your employer may eventually decide the business can lease half the space it currently does and have you work from home permanently.

Students at K-12 schools and at colleges may go through a full year in which they never physically meet a teacher or attend a school play or an athletic event in person. Instead of live theater, concerts and sports, we might get our entertainment in a pay-per-view format. Movie theaters were dying off anyway with streaming services and big home televisions; most of the rest may vanish as well. Don’t bank on watching a summer blockbuster movie in a theater. How many of these entertainment venues will disappear permanently is unknowable.
 

The entire premise of this is dumb and dangerous. There might not ever be a vaccine. It could take a decade or more; who knows. What we do know is that we cannot let this virus become an excuse to destroy the very freedoms Americans enjoy; to effectively rip up the Constitution.Hopefully , such draconian measures will be fought vigorously by the people. The next revolution might be coming if idiots like this WaPo writer get their way. 

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The entire premise of this is dumb and dangerous. There might not ever be a vaccine. It could take a decade or more; who knows. What we do know is that we cannot let this virus become an excuse to destroy the very freedoms Americans enjoy; to effectively rip up the Constitution.Hopefully , such draconian measures will be fought vigorously by the people. The next revolution might be coming if idiots like this WaPo writer get their way. 

You mean we get to throw Trump out of office AND mow down scum bag revolutionaries too?? Awesome!! 

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The entire premise of this is dumb and dangerous. There might not ever be a vaccine. It could take a decade or more; who knows. What we do know is that we cannot let this virus become an excuse to destroy the very freedoms Americans enjoy; to effectively rip up the Constitution.Hopefully , such draconian measures will be fought vigorously by the people. The next revolution might be coming if idiots like this WaPo writer get their way. 

  Having a vaccine by fall is very improbable even with all the resources now being directed towards it.

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You mean we get to throw Trump out of office AND mow down scum bag revolutionaries too?? Awesome!! 

No, Foolio that’s not what I mean. . I mean state governments. Some have become downright tyrannical , in case you haven’t noticed. Freedom is not free, and we the people may have to fight for it again...within our very own country. 

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No, Foolio that’s not what I mean. . I mean state governments. Some have become downright tyrannical , in case you haven’t noticed. Freedom is not free, and we the people may have to fight for it again...within their very own country. 

And when the people refuse to go back to work because it's too dangerous, then what are you going to do? 

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And when the people refuse to go back to work because it's too dangerous, then what are you going to do? 

The meek and fearful can refuse to work and hide in a cave. It’s America, and they are free to do so if they wish. Personally, I have continued to go to work the entire time. It’s not too dangerous for the overwhelming majority of people. It’s not the plague. Most people are not cowards, as well. They want to work. Man will always fight to be free. We’ve worked and lived through much more dangerous and “ unsafe” things than the Wuhan virus through the centuries. 

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The meek and fearful can refuse to work and hide in a cave. It’s America, and they are free to do so if they wish. Personally, I have continued to go to work the entire time. It’s not too dangerous for the overwhelming majority of people. It’s not the plague. Most people are not cowards, as well. They want to work. Man will always fight to be free. We’ve worked and lived through much more dangerous and “ unsafe” things than the Wuhan virus through the centuries. 

Nice words, but if people are scared, because they follow the science, then they won't be coming out, revolution or no revolution 

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  Having a vaccine by fall is very improbable even with all the resources now being directed towards it.

how will they know when they have a sucsessful  vaccine?

 

hardly anbody shows any symptoms when infected now

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Nice words, but if people are scared, because they follow the science, then they won't be coming out, revolution or no revolution 

Being that scared means nothing about science. It means you really haven’t looked into the numbers. You’ve been sold a bill of goods , Tibs. Stripping away of freedoms is far more scary than the virus. 

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Being that scared means nothing about science. It means you really haven’t looked into the numbers. You’ve been sold a bill of goods , Tibs. Stripping away of freedoms is far more scary than the virus. 

Fear is a natural reaction to danger 

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Yes, Bugs is a Dem, you guys are Daffy, lol 

 

 

Trump is Stupor Duck! Lol 

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Courage in the face of fear is why we have a United States of America; land of the free , home of the brave. 

Well, and the fact pandemics almost wiped out the Native populations. Remember history, or we are doomed to repeat it. 

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