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6 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

 

 

So the Bills signed Kaare Vedvik for nothing to a futures contract. Said Vedvik was traded to the Vikes for a 5th rd pick and the ravens just sent that to Jags. I say the bills won this trade. More witchcraft from Beane. Go Bills!

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16 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

The price to acquire him may have been so low only because the price to extend him was going to be so high. I want the best players, but if they knew he was asking for the moon and we felt it was excessive, then I trust their judgment. I am NOT saying that is the case, just saying they know a lot more about this than we do, and I tend to trust them. 

I hear you, but it’s not like the Ravens don’t know what they are doing either, you know?

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8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I hear you, but it’s not like the Ravens don’t know what they are doing either, you know?

 

We don’t know what we don’t know. The Ravens are indeed a well run organization, but if we felt the financial cost was too high, I appreciate them being able to draw a line and live with it. It must be mighty pricey for him to be let go for just a 5th rounder.

 

I’m sure we have layers of contingency plans. It’s unfortunate, but it’s not the end of the world. We still have options, and likely saved a small fortune we can direct elsewhere. Glass half full. 

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2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Good deal for Baltimore and he should help their pass rush... it should also be noted that his numbers have dropped over the past years after his monster breakout season.  

 

Not as bad of a deal for Jacksonville as some of you make it out to be.

 

What it likely means for Jax is that Ngakoue will definitely not want to stay there.  But I wouldn't trade a 1st and give him $22M/year.

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5 hours ago, FireChans said:

Ansah isnt Campbell but you know that. And Campbell is a 5x pro Bowler and All-Pro, his cute double digit sack stat aside.

 

Who is the best DE on the market?


He’s 34, they all hit cliffs.  Manning was great in 2014 with 39 TDs and 15 Ints.  In 2105 he had just 9 TDs and 17 ints.  
 

And he played a way less physical position.  34 is pretty old for a DE.

 

And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career.  
 

Is he going to magically find the fountain of youth at 34 in a new system and double his sack totals?  I mean come on, it’s not realistic and it’s more like the will have a similar or worse season.  

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Just now, Smitty75 said:

What a robbery...?

Off course he’s aging but he’s still a menace if you put him in any dline, they could had a 3th round pick for him at least.


If they could have gotten a 3rd pick, they would have.  Not like they turned it down for a 5th lol

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Just now, Alphadawg7 said:


If they could have gotten a 3rd pick, they would have.  Not like they turned it down for a 5th lol

Sure, but it’s steal a bad decision by the front office imo they didn’t handle this trade well.

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7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:


Just like Ziggy was gonna be so key last year too right?  
 

Peyton Manning was elite every year until that one year he wasn’t.  All players hit a cliff.  34 years old for a DE is old.  Their are no assurances he will be nearly as good as you and others are making him out to be next year.  
 

And sorry, some of you are exaggerating him right now in terms of last year.  I get it, people know his name.  But doesn’t mean he’s as elite as some are making him out to be.  
 

He has just TWO double digit sack seasons in his whole career.  His sack totals went down each year in Jax too, including just 6.5 last year after he had his best statistical season as a pro his first year there.

 

He is no where close to the best DE option in this years market nor is his 6.5 sacks hard to find.  And now he will be even a year older and on a new team so good chance he doesn’t even match last years numbers.

 

So IMO, some of you are over reacting to a player who at this stage of his career is being over exaggerated.  

While I’m not throwing a tantrum because we didn’t get him, watch what he does in Baltimore next year. He’s the perfect fit and would’ve been an amazing fit here.  Pay him 17 mill the next 2 years and then let him go after we win a Super Bowl like Baltimore is about to do

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2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career.  

 

Why do people only focus on sacks?   Look at QB hits, TFL and solo tackles.  He's still performing at a high level and makes the Bills DE's look like backups in comparison... 

 

  Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles    
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
Career       186 168 3 24 0 23 48 14 1 11 73 3 88.0 696 519 177 151 201 2 125
9 yrs ARI     138 120 3 24 0 23 42 8 1 8 55 1 56.5 501 382 119 107 124 2 86
3 yrs JAX     48 48 0 0 0 0 6 6 0 3 18 2 31.5 195 137 58 44 77   39
2008 22 ARI   93 16 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0.0 29 24 5 2 1   1
2009 23 ARI DE 93 16 15 0 0 0 0 5 1 0 0 0 0 7.0 47 36 11 8 14   7
2010 24 ARI DE 93 15 15 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 6.0 60 46 14 13 7   7
2011 25 ARI DE 93 16 16 1 0 0 0 10 2 0 1 0 0 8.0 72 53 19 13 17   10
2012 26 ARI DE 93 13 12 0 0 0 0 6           6.5 63 50 13 13 12   8
2013 27 ARI DE 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 6 1 0 2 2 0 9.0 58 45 13 14 21 1 9
2014* 28 ARI DE 93 14 14 1 23 0 23 3 1 0 0 0 0 7.0 58 48 10 16 11   15
2015* 29 ARI de/DT 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 1 0 0 5.0 61 46 15 16 20   13
2016 30 ARI DT 93 16 16 1 1 0 1 6 2 0 3 53 1 8.0 53 34 19 12 21 1 16
2017*+ 31 JAX DE 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 3 0 1 10 1 14.5 67 47 20 14 30   16
2018* 32 JAX DE 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 10.5 72 53 19 20 22   13
2019* 33 JAX de/DL 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 1 8 1 6.5 56 37 19 10 25   10
 
 
Jerry Hughes:
  Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles    
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
Career       152 103 0 0 0 0 14 12 0 3 31 1 51.5 365 249 116 77 111   59
7 yrs BUF     112 96 0 0 0 0 13 12 0 3 31 1 46.5 303 208 95 69 99   54
3 yrs IND     40 7 0 0 0 0 1           5.0 62 41 21 8 12   5
2010 22 IND   92 12 0                     0.0 6 6 0 1 1   1
2011 23 IND de 92 12 1                     1.0 15 6 9 0 1   1
2012 24 IND lb 92 16 6 0 0 0 0 1           4.0 41 29 12 7 10   3
2013 25 BUF lb 55 16 1 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 10.0 46 32 14 9 18   3
2014 26 BUF DE 55 16 16           3 0 1 18 1 10.0 53 36 17 13 20   10
2015 27 BUF DE 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 1 2 0 5.0 52 37 15 8 12   9
2016 28 BUF LB 55 16 15 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 6.0 48 31 17 8 11   6
2017 29 BUF DE 55 16 16           1 0 0 0 0 4.0 44 28 16 12 11   7
2018 30 BUF DE 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 7.0 37 30 7 13 18   9
2019 31 BUF DE 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 1 11 0 4.5 23 14 9 6 9   10
 
Trent Murphy:
  Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles    
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
Career       76 49 1 0 0 0 6 10 0 7 15 0 24.0 172 102 70 30 60   31
3 yrs WAS     47 23 0 0 0 0 2 6 0 4 7 0 15.0 112 64 48 16 42   13
2 yrs BUF     29 26 1 0 0 0 4 4 0 3 8 0 9.0 60 38 22 14 18   18
2014 24 WAS ROLB 93 15 8 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 1 0 0 2.5 32 22 10 3 7   4
2015 25 WAS LB 93 16 15           1 0 2 0 0 3.5 33 13 20 3 10   7
2016 26 WAS   93 16 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 1 7 0 9.0 47 29 18 10 25   2
2018 28 BUF DE 93 13 10 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 1 0 0 4.0 24 14 10 5 9   6
2019 29 BUF DE 93 16 16 1 0 0 0 3 2 0 2 8 0 5.0 36 24 12 9 9   12
 
And some other comps...
 
Yannick Ngakoue:
  Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles    
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
Career       63 62 2 32 1 23 9 14 0 3 65 1 37.5 122 105 17 42 85   35
2016 21 JAX DE/lb 91 16 15 1 9 0 9 2 4 0 0 0 0 8.0 23 20 3 6 14   7
2017* 22 JAX DE 91 16 16           6 0 2 67 1 12.0 30 24 6 10 23   12
2018 23 JAX DE 91 16 16 0 0 0 0 1           9.5 28 25 3 13 33   9
2019 24 JAX DE 91 15 15 1 23 1 23 6 4 0 1 -2 0 8.0 41 36 5 13 15   7
 
Chandler Jones:
  Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles    
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
Career       119 116 1 0 0 0 23 27 0 8 0 1 96.0 421 295 126 105 162   77
4 yrs ARI     64 64 0 0 0 0 15 17 0 6 0 0 60.0 210 170 40 67 98   44
4 yrs NWE     55 52 1 0 0 0 8 10 0 2 0 1 36.0 211 125 86 38 64   33
2012 22 NWE DE 95 14 13 0 0 0 0 4 3 0 0 0 0 6.0 45 24 21 8 12   6
2013 23 NWE DE/lb 95 16 16           1 0 1 0 1 11.5 79 40 39 14 23   10
2014 24 NWE DE 95 10 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 1 0 0 6.0 43 30 13 5 11   6
2015* 25 NWE DE 95 15 15 1 0 0 0 2 4 0 0 0 0 12.5 44 31 13 11 18   11
2016 26 ARI LB 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 4 0 2 0 0 11.0 49 38 11 15 21   9
2017*+ 27 ARI LB 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 17.0 59 52 7 28 33   15
2018 28 ARI DE 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 4 3 0 1 0 0 13.0 49 38 11 13 18   8
2019*+ 29 ARI LB 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 5 8 0 3 0 0 19.0 53 42 11 11 26   12
 
Cameron Heywood:
  Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles    
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
Career       134 99 0 0 0 0 30 6 0 5 9 0 54.0 397 257 140 79 117   74
2011 22 PIT   95 16 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 11 10 1 1 4   2
2012 23 PIT   97 16 0                     1.5 20 13 7 4 6   2
2013 24 PIT DE 97 16 13 0 0 0 0 7 0 0 1 8 0 5.0 59 35 24 7 10   7
2014 25 PIT DE 97 16 16 0 0 0 0 4           7.5 53 33 20 11 16   7
2015 26 PIT DE 97 16 16 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 7.0 54 39 15 15 13   9
2016 27 PIT de 97 7 7 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 1 1 0 3.0 21 17 4 4 5   4
2017*+ 28 PIT DE 97 15 15 0 0 0 0 3 2 0 1 0 0 12.0 45 30 15 16 22   15
2018* 29 PIT DT/rdt 97 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 1 0 0 8.0 51 29 22 10 18   11
2019*+ 30 PIT DT 97 16 16 0 0 0 0 6 1 0 1 0 0 9.0 83 51 32 11 23   17
 
 
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4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:


He’s 34, they all hit cliffs.  Manning was great in 2014 with 39 TDs and 15 Ints.  In 2105 he had just 9 TDs and 17 ints.  
 

And he played a way less physical position.  34 is pretty old for a DE.

 

And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career.  
 

Is he going to magically find the fountain of youth at 34 in a new system and double his sack totals?  I mean come on, it’s not realistic and it’s more like the will have a similar or worse season.  

I don’t see how Peyton Manning is relevant.

 

I do see how you dodged the question.

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9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He’s 34, they all hit cliffs.  Manning was great in 2014 with 39 TDs and 15 Ints.  In 2105 he had just 9 TDs and 17 ints.  
 

And he played a way less physical position.  34 is pretty old for a DE.

 

And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career.  
 

Is he going to magically find the fountain of youth at 34 in a new system and double his sack totals?  I mean come on, it’s not realistic and it’s more like the will have a similar or worse season.  

 

And why didn't the Jags keep him?  They could have extended him to lower his cap hit and all they got was a 5th for him.

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