BeastMaster Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: You know what would be great? If Josh and Dak went head to head on National TV so that we could see which one of them looked like a franchise QB and which one ?the bed. Wait... ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Again what did his near MVP season get him and his team this year? Stats don’t mean ***** if you can’t get your team to the next level. Stats are for losers And if that was Dak's whole career so far you might have a point. But he has won plenty. He is way above .500 and has two division titles and a playoff win from his first 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And if that was Dak's whole career so far you might have a point. But he has won plenty. He is way above .500 and has two division titles and a playoff win from his first 4 years. But my point is he had an even more talented roster to work with this season and he couldn’t make the playoffs. Especially this season when they relied on his arm more than zeke’s legs which goes to show he’s not the kind of QB who’s arm you can rely on. And in that case he isn’t the type of QB you pay the big bucks to. Mahomes is a franchise QB Prescott is not, you don’t pay a top 15 QB top 5 money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 41 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: You know what would be great? If Josh and Dak went head to head on National TV so that we could see which one of them looked like a franchise QB and which one ?the bed. Wait... What happened in that game? Did Allen throw for 355 yards and 2 TDs, or was that Dak? 1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: But my point is he had an even more talented roster to work with this season and he couldn’t make the playoffs. Especially this season when they relied on his arm more than zeke’s legs which goes to show he’s not the kind of QB who’s arm you can rely on. And in that case he isn’t the type of QB you pay the big bucks to. Mahomes is a franchise QB Prescott is not, you don’t pay a top 15 QB top 5 money Dallas scored 120 more points than Buffalo. I guess you think Dak should have played better defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billl said: What happened in that game? Did Allen throw for 355 yards and 2 TDs, or was that Dak? Really? Oh boy... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Billl said: What happened in that game? Did Allen throw for 355 yards and 2 TDs, or was that Dak? What happened in that game? Let’s see: the less experienced QB, with a far less talented supporting cast, went on the road and scored 2 TDs without turning the ball over and gave his team a 19-point lead. Meanwhile, the more experienced QB—with a much better supporting cast, put together one solid drive before crumbling, turning the ball over twice and putting his team in a 19-point deficit at home. But at least he piled up garbage yards and a score so that less-educated fans can claim that he somehow outplayed the guy that was clearly and obviously better that day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Billl said: What happened in that game? Did Allen throw for 355 yards and 2 TDs, or was that Dak? Dallas scored 120 more points than Buffalo. I guess you think Dak should have played better defense. He put up numbers against bad teams this season and struggled against the good ones. He’s not consistent. Dallas actually had a pretty good Defense until the last couple games. The Game they had against us is a prime example why you shouldn’t shell out the big bucks to Prescott. He’s overrating himself to get a big pay day. Watch after they pay him and he doesn’t live up to his contract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: But my point is he had an even more talented roster to work with this season and he couldn’t make the playoffs. Especially this season when they relied on his arm more than zeke’s legs which goes to show he’s not the kind of QB who’s arm you can rely on. And in that case he isn’t the type of QB you pay the big bucks to. Mahomes is a franchise QB Prescott is not, you don’t pay a top 15 QB top 5 money Except you do. If you don't pay a top 15 QB top 5 money you can't sign him. Because someone will and within 3 year he won't be getting top 5 money and will still be producing top 15 Quarterbacking while you are looking for a replacement. And their failure to make the playoffs this year can not be laid mainly at Dak's door. It really can't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Isn't the more pertinent question, who will be better next year and going forward? Josh or Dak? That to me is where the rubber meets the road and what GMs and coaches get paid the big bucks to figure out. If the question is, who has done more to this point? Well isn't Tom Brady always going to be the answer. The uncertainty of looking into the future is what makes people uncomfortable because it involves more than who had the best counting stats. It involves watching film, looking at pertinent analytics, health and luck, and a million other things. Anyone can line up a bunch of stats, with no skin in the game, and say of course so and so is better because he's done more. I care about going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Isn't the more pertinent question, who will be better next year and going forward? Josh or Dak? That to me is where the rubber meets the road and what GMs and coaches get paid the big bucks to figure out. If the question is, who has done more to this point? Well isn't Tom Brady always going to be the answer. The uncertainty of looking into the future is what makes people uncomfortable because it involves more than who had the best counting stats. It involves watching film, looking at pertinent analytics, health and luck, and a million other things. Anyone can line up a bunch of stats, with no skin in the game, and say of course so and so is better because he's done more. I care about going forward. Why is that a pertinent question? Josh isn't an option for the Cowboys.... the question is will Dak be better than anyone they can draft at 17 or sign as a FA. I think the answer is overwhelmingly yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Why is that a pertinent question? Josh isn't an option for the Cowboys.... the question is will Dak be better than anyone they can draft at 17 or sign as a FA. I think the answer is overwhelmingly yes. I think the folks who are hating on Dak have some kind of hang up that is Allen related. The two couldn’t be further from related. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 43 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Why is that a pertinent question? Josh isn't an option for the Cowboys.... the question is will Dak be better than anyone they can draft at 17 or sign as a FA. I think the answer is overwhelmingly yes. Oh come on you've been comparing Allen and Prescott and saying it was a clear cut decision based on what they'd done to this point. Who would you want next year, 3 years from and at what price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Oh come on you've been comparing Allen and Prescott and saying it was a clear cut decision based on what they'd done to this point. Who would you want next year, 3 years from and at what price? If you think that is what I have been doing in this thread you really haven't been paying attention. I did point out Dak is more of a proven commodity than Josh but in the same breath said that Josh still has a higher ceiling. The question in this thread is not about whether I or anyone else wants Josh or Dak because that is utterly irrelevant - it isn't a real choice. The question here is should the Cowboys pay Dak? And in my view they absolutely should. I think in a year or two years time we will be having the exact same conversation on Josh Allen and if he continues to progress then I will be arguing we should "overpay" him too by making him a top 3 salaried QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, Gugny said: Somebody will pay him. Then what's Dallas gonna do? Who they gonna replace him with? He's got "hand." They could sign a solid FA like Teddy, Rivers, Tannehill, etc for less and for shorter then draft a QB. This is one of the best off seasons ever to find a solid vet QB in FA. If they are gonna sign one, Dak makes the most sense given he’s a QB. But still, he’s not the kind of player I want to break the bank for personally. I’d rather let someone else over commit and find a QB in the draft while using a Vet FA to keep them competitive. I mean they spent all that money on Zeke, find a guy who can be solid and doesn’t need to be great at QB while focusing the offense around Zeke. Then draft someone like Eason or Love this year to groom. But I get it, this is what happens today. Guys get over paid all the time. But then you look at Beane whose being smart on his signings and managing the cap about as good as I’ve ever seen vs adding talent. And Dallas, well Jerry Jones, isn’t gonna wanna rebuild. So I’m sure Dak stays a Cowboy. But I don’t think he’s going to live up to the contract. Edited March 10, 2020 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If you think that is what I have been doing in this thread you really haven't been paying attention. I did point out Dak is more of a proven commodity than Josh but in the same breath said that Josh still has a higher ceiling. The question in this thread is not about whether I or anyone else wants Josh or Dak because that is utterly irrelevant - it isn't a real choice. The question here is should the Cowboys pay Dak? And in my view they absolutely should. I think in a year or two years time we will be having the exact same conversation on Josh Allen and if he continues to progress then I will be arguing we should "overpay" him too by making him a top 3 salaried QB. It’s really simple. If Josh Allen was RoTY, was ~40-20 as a starter, went to the playoffs twice, had two double digit win seasons under center, and had a playoff win against a quality opponent by his fourth season, EVERYONE would want to pay him. And they’d be crazy to let him go and then try to draft some guy in the late first or second round to replace him. That’s it. Case closed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 On 3/8/2020 at 5:26 PM, White Linen said: This is what's wrong with the NFL. Paying the highest salary because they're "next" but they're not the best at their position. The cap goes up every year. This will always happen and its fine. The players have a way to always be highest paid. Sign 1 year deals and play well. Besides Reavis they don't do that because they want the security a long term deal provides. Due to that, people will pass them by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: They could sign a solid FA like Teddy, Rivers, Tannehill, etc for less and for shorter then draft a QB. This is one of the best off seasons ever to find a solid bet QB in FA. If they are gonna sign one, Dak makes the most sense given he’s a QB. But still, he’s not the kind of player I want to break the bank for personally. I’d rather let someone else over commit and find a QB in the draft while using a Vet FA to keep them competitive. I mean they spent all that money on Zeke, find a guy who can be solid and doesn’t need to be great at QB while focusing the offense around Zeke. Then draft someone like Eason or Love this year to groom. But I get it, this is what happens today. Guys get over paid all the time. But then you look at Beane whose being smart on his signings and managing the cap about as good as I’ve ever seen bs adding talent. And Dallas, well Jerry Jones, isn’t gonna wanna rebuild. So I’m sure Dak stays a Cowboy. But I don’t think he’s going to live up to the contract. Really? So how does Dallas improve next year by signing a worse FA QB to big money and then also using a draft pick on another worse QB? What percentage of late first/second round QB’s ever win 10 games in a season, let alone twice? Or win a playoff game? Or throw 30 TDs? I thought BILLS FANS of all people would recognize just how difficult it is to find an above average starting QB in this league. This is crazy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Really? So how does Dallas improve next year by signing a worse FA QB to big money and then also using a draft pick on another worse QB? What percentage of late first/second round QB’s ever win 10 games in a season, let alone twice? Or win a playoff game? Or throw 30 TDs? I thought BILLS FANS of all people would recognize just how difficult it is to find an above average starting QB in this league. This is crazy. Big money? Those guys would be quite a bit cheaper and on shorter contracts. Sometimes you need to take a step back to improve. Does anyone really think Dallas is gonna win a SB next year with this team that didn’t even make the playoffs in a weak division? So the solution is to throw big money at the same squad who won 8 games in one of the weakest divisions in football last year? Once they pay Dak and Amari their cap is screwed with all the other big contracts they got. And how exactly is over paying Dak and Cooper “making them better” when under Daks BEST season as a pro statistically they won 8 games and missed the playoffs. Not to mention one of Coopers best seasons too. Again...See: Beane, Brandon for what to do next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Big money? Those guys would be quite a bit cheaper and on shorter contracts. Sometimes you need to take a step back to improve. Does anyone really think Dallas is gonna win a SB next year with this team that didn’t even make the playoffs in a weak division? So the solution is to throw big money at the same squad who won 8 games in one of the weakest divisions in football last year? Once they pay Dak and Amari their cap is screwed with all the other big contracts they got. And how exactly is over paying Dak and Cooper “making them better” when under Daks BEST season as a pro statistically they won 8 games and missed the playoffs. Not to mention one of Coopers best seasons too. Again...See: Beane, Brandon for what to do next. Brandon Beane hasn’t even GMed a team that’s won a playoff game. His record since taking over as GM is WORSE than Dallas’ in the same time period. Dallas also has a better roster almost entirely across the board. Buffalo is a much better coached, but less talented roster. I honestly do not fathom this discussion. They have a worse chance of winning the Super Bowl with Rivers than Dak so why sign him at all? Do you honestly think Jordan Love or Jake Fromm will be a better NFL QB than Dak Prescott? What is your end game strategy as the Dallas GM? Let your superstar OL, RB, WR, DE and LB groups age (and sign large contracts/leave the team) while you pay Rivers $15M, and hope you land a HoF QB outside of the top 15 in the draft while ignoring the statistical reality that makes that nearly impossible? Is that the secret plan? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: It’s really simple. If Josh Allen was RoTY, was ~40-20 as a starter, went to the playoffs twice, had two double digit win seasons under center, and had a playoff win against a quality opponent by his fourth season, EVERYONE would want to pay him. And they’d be crazy to let him go and then try to draft some guy in the late first or second round to replace him. That’s it. Case closed. You changed my perspective on signing him for the Cowboys. Your last few posts have been excellent. My question is can you afford to pay him and expect he keeps up that production if he swallows that much cap? I mean he's worth starter money, but the most in the league? Something has to give (o-line or good WRs) and I don't know if I believe a player like him is worth it but I guess if you have to roll the dice he's the best the Cowboys have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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