Teddy KGB Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, eball said: Holy overreaction, Batman! Just saving a step. The eradication of pitbulls part comes next ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) I have two friends that each own multiple pits/pit mixes. All are wonderful, loving dogs. I’d even own one now, but I would never take the chance if I had a small child in the house. Edit: For the record there are other breeds that I would categorize similarly. Edited January 29, 2020 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, eball said: Until they're not. I think that's the whole point. What other breed presents as many challenges? Not the breed so much as the socialization and the environment the dog was raised. Plenty of "nice" breed dogs that are aggresive as hell if they have been abused by humans and previous owners. ASPCA position on Pit Bulls https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Gugny said: The statistics don't lie. They are bred killers. The other 9 breeds combined average 11 human kills per year. It's only 10 less than the Pit Bulls 21 kills a year. Edited January 29, 2020 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Not the breed so much as the socialization and the environment the dog was raised. Plenty of "nice" breed dogs that are aggresive as hell if they have been abused by humans and previous owners. ASPCA position on Pit Bulls https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls For all of the articles I've read over the years about horrific pit bull attacks, I can confidently say a solid 90% have a quote similar to, "we've had her for so many years and she never even growled at anyone." Of course, abusing a dog (or training it to fight/kill) will make the dog aggressive and mean. It's my opinion that it's not necessary to provide a hostile/dangerous environment and that all pit bulls have the killer instinct in them. They all have a trigger and no one, including the dog, knows what it is until the dog is literally tearing someone apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: For all of the articles I've read over the years about horrific pit bull attacks, I can confidently say a solid 90% have a quote similar to, "we've had her for so many years and she never even growled at anyone." Of course, abusing a dog (or training it to fight/kill) will make the dog aggressive and mean. It's my opinion that it's not necessary to provide a hostile/dangerous environment and that all pit bulls have the killer instinct in them. They all have a trigger and no one, including the dog, knows what it is until the dog is literally tearing someone apart. I would say that about all dogs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, plenzmd1 said: I would say that about all dogs. Not triggers that set off deadly or disfiguring attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, teef said: i've know a couple of pits that have been very sweat, but those dogs just make me nervous. that being said, i have a yellow lab, and labs are high on the list of dogs that bite...i do think that has a lot to do with how many people actually own the dog though. I know a few people that own them. They can be very lovable. Yet scary still. Just like my friends and their Dobe's and German Shepard's. Its those tiny ANKLE BITERS that piss me off. Nasty little creatures. when my wife was a baby they had a Rottweiler .. it started growling at her parents when they went to pick her up. they immediately removed the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Augie said: I know people will defend the breed, maybe blame the owners, but I won’t even read the article. I would not want one within 100 miles of my family. I know, “they are so sweet”, but NO! They are too often time bombs. You just can’t hear the ticking. I'm sure most are fine pets. But the difference is a chihuahua having a bad day won't kill you. A Pit Bull, Rotweiller, etc will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Not triggers that set off deadly or disfiguring attacks. My 110lb lab-chow mix gets pissed at someone, he gunna set off on a disfiguring or deadly attack....can happen with any breed. Now, i do agree Pits are the most abused and most trained dogs to be aggressive due to several factors, no doubt about that. But i do not believe it is the breed itself. 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: I know a few people that own them. They can be very lovable. Yet scary still. Just like my friends and their Dobe's and German Shepard's. Its those tiny ANKLE BITERS that piss me off. Nasty little creatures. when my wife was a baby they had a Rottweiler .. it started growling at her parents when they went to pick her up. they immediately removed the dog. Growling at someone as a one off can be somewhat natural..but if it was a consistent behavior dog gots to go! My In Laws had a batchit crazy cocker and when my daughter was born and we stayed at their house, i insisted dog stayed in the garage entire time we there(outside of potty breaks). Now that dog scared the poop out of me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: Not triggers that set off deadly or disfiguring attacks. So is it more likely to attack or their capacity for damage if they do attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Jauronimo said: So is it more likely to attack or their capacity for damage if they do attack? Both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 My Border Collie barked a lot at the kids in the neighborhood, scaring some. but all it meant was play with me you little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: My 110lb lab-chow mix gets pissed at someone, he gunna set off on a disfiguring or deadly attack....can happen with any breed. Now, i do agree Pits are the most abused and most trained dogs to be aggressive due to several factors, no doubt about that. But i do not believe it is the breed itself. If you truly believe that environment is what's causing the deadly attacks, and you look at the chart below … how would you feel about pit bull ownership being monitored, even licensed? If putting these dogs into the wrong environment is likely to create a situation in which a human being being fatally attacked, then there must be a way to control where these dogs are going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm sure most are fine pets. But the difference is a chihuahua having a bad day won't kill you. A Pit Bull, Rotweiller, etc will. I mentioned earlier my only dog bite came from a schnauzer. That’s fine, I could just punt that thing into next week. The Pitt? No so much, I’m getting mauled if it snaps for any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: If you truly believe that environment is what's causing the deadly attacks, and you look at the chart below … how would you feel about pit bull ownership being monitored, even licensed? If putting these dogs into the wrong environment is likely to create a situation in which a human being being fatally attacked, then there must be a way to control where these dogs are going. Sure, if we can do the same thing with kids!!!! Seriously, i don't know how to control this. Go to any animal rescue ( in an urban area especially) and the majority of dogs have pit in them. I dont know how you stop owners from leaving these dogs on chains outside or training the dog to be aggresive... And like i said, i dont dispute the numbers above, but it is because these dogs are overwhelmingly the breed that is trained and abused, it is not the breed. In the 60's and 70's, those number most likely were flipped as Rots and Dobies were trained that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 After we get rid of Pits, we take out German Shepherds. Then we get rid of Dobermans and Rotties. Then we get down to Mastiffs as the worst. Got to get rid of them. Eventually, they will all be gone as the worst need to be eliminated as we go down the list. Eugenics is fun!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, Gugny said: If you truly believe that environment is what's causing the deadly attacks, and you look at the chart below … how would you feel about pit bull ownership being monitored, even licensed? If putting these dogs into the wrong environment is likely to create a situation in which a human being being fatally attacked, then there must be a way to control where these dogs are going. here's what i would like to know. are those full pits and are they mixed? if they are a mix what do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, KRC said: After we get rid of Pits, we take out German Shepherds. Then we get rid of Dobermans and Rotties. Then we get down to Mastiffs as the worst. Got to get rid of them. Eventually, they will all be gone as the worst need to be eliminated as we go down the list. Eugenics is fun!! If anyone in this thread really said these things, I'd call that person a moron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, Gugny said: If anyone in this thread really said these things, I'd call that person a moron. You don't believe in getting rid of a breed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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