The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

And the projection you speak of is we had done nothing to prevent the spread, which would have been ridiculous.

So we agree then! We did way more than nothing. And we were far from ‘ridiculous’. Thanks! 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So we agree then! We did way more than nothing. And we were far from ‘ridiculous’. Thanks! 

We should have done a lot more, and had less people die.

[Big Blitz]

 

 

When they say this is not about politics, it's about politics.

 

NY (soon to be a dead state) has these mandates.  Cases are the highest in the country.  

 

Maybe they should wear 4 masks.  

 

Texas Florida and others without them are making these mandates look like the dumbest (it technically wasn't bc it was political) policy decision ever.  

Edited March 30, 2021 by Big Blitz

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

NY (soon to be a dead state) has these mandates.  Cases are the highest in the country.  

 

Maybe they should wear 4 masks.  

 

Texas Florida and others without them are making these mandates look like the dumbest (it technically wasn't bc it was political) policy decision ever.  

 

Yeah, ok

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

Yeah, ok

 

 

Thank you for proving masks and lockdowns don't move the needle much if at all.  

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

We should have done a lot more, and had less people die.

 

And it would have taken longer for immunity and the economy would suffer longer and people's psychological issues would be greater than they are now.  Let the virus virus.  in 1918 there was no vaccine but the virus essentially disappeared after a little over a year and a half.  Why do you think that is? 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Thank you for proving masks and lockdowns don't move the needle much if at all.  

 

But they saved at least 1,400,000 lives based on Trump's forecast, right?

 

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Thank you for proving masks and lockdowns don't move the needle much if at all.  

 

And it would have taken longer for immunity and the economy would suffer longer and people's psychological issues would be greater than they are now.  Let the virus virus.  in 1918 there was no vaccine but the virus essentially disappeared after a little over a year and a half.  Why do you think that is? 

Because a ton of people had to die to get there.  You honestly believe we should go back a century and ignore all the advances made in science and medicine since.  That is frighteningly misguided.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

But they saved at least 1,400,000 lives based on Trump's forecast, right?

 

 

Who?  What does Trump have do to with my point?  Go ahead.  Challenge it. 

 

Good lord dude. You're a one trick pony if ever there was one.  

 

Can't argue you a point you cry BUT TRUMP!!!!  

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Because a ton of people had to die to get there.  You honestly believe we should go back a century and ignore all the advances made in science and medicine since.  That is frighteningly misguided.

 

I already said yes to this.  Death is death.  It's final. It sucks but when it's over it's over.  The pandemic of 1918 lasted about two years.  The economic and psychological effects of a lock down last MUCH longer.  And what advances?  They seem to have no clue as to what they are doing.  Look at how often things changed in the first several months of this.  They are still not in agreeance on how to combat this.  I say (again) virus gonna virus so let it.  We have a vaccine now that they didn't have in 1918 and we are almost exactly where the world was over a hundred years ago.  The arrogance of humans sometimes.  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steve Scalise: “Considering that Democrats want to require vaccine IDs for people to conduct their basic daily activities, they now have zero grounds to object to voter ID laws.”

 

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steve Scalise: “Considering that Democrats want to require vaccine IDs for people to conduct their basic daily activities, they now have zero grounds to object to voter ID laws.”

 

 

 

 

 

I’m going to start referring to this as the Darwin Flu. 

[BillStime]

20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Who?  What does Trump have do to with my point?  Go ahead.  Challenge it. 

 

Good lord dude. You're a one trick pony if ever there was one.  

 

Can't argue you a point you cry BUT TRUMP!!!!  

 

 

 

And you wonder why I don't care to respond to you? You turn into a little B anytime you don't hear what YOU WANT TO HEAR.

 

Trump Hits Back At Fauci, Lockdowns, Claims He ‘Saved’ 2 Million Lives

 

This "fact" has been mentioned here several times amongst your likeminded friends.

 

 

[dpberr]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steve Scalise: “Considering that Democrats want to require vaccine IDs for people to conduct their basic daily activities, they now have zero grounds to object to voter ID laws.”

 

 

 

 

 

That's why the government's response to COVID has been complete bull#### from the very beginning.   

 

.Gov loves their lockdowns, masks and vaccines, but you never get their same harpy treatment on how obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure have played such a significant role in a person's COVID experience.  You don't see the government banning fast food, society shaming the obese like some do over the vaccine or anyone advocating healthier meal plans at home and preaching about getting a half hour of real activity a day.  Hell, the government found fast food "essential" and closed down parks and playgrounds last year.  I remember cities removing basketball hoops.  How dare those children exercise!  

 

If you want to talk pandemics, obesity and its comorbidity is "the" national pandemic.  Kids are fat.  Millennials in the prime of their lives, fat.  Middle age when the health problems multiply even when you're healthy...fat.    Elderly...fat.  You see the fat arms and legs.  You see the huge beer guts.  You see the bloat.   People out there who haven't had their cholesterol or Vitamin D (nearly all overweight people are deficient in VIT D) checked in a decade. 

 

You add vaping, drinking, a sedentary lifestyle and for some, recreational drugs, and you have a lot of primed unhealthy bodies for any virus to take root in. 

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, dpberr said:

That's why the government's response to COVID has been complete bull#### from the very beginning.   

 

.Gov loves their lockdowns, masks and vaccines, but you never get their same harpy treatment on how obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure have played such a significant role in a person's COVID experience.  You don't see the government banning fast food, society shaming the obese like some do over the vaccine or anyone advocating healthier meal plans at home and preaching about getting a half hour of real activity a day.  Hell, the government found fast food "essential" and closed down parks and playgrounds last year.  I remember cities removing basketball hoops.  How dare those children exercise!  

 

If you want to talk pandemics, obesity and its comorbidity is "the" national pandemic.  Kids are fat.  Millennials in the prime of their lives, fat.  Middle age when the health problems multiply even when you're healthy...fat.    Elderly...fat.  You see the fat arms and legs.  You see the huge beer guts.  You see the bloat.   People out there who haven't had their cholesterol or Vitamin D (nearly all overweight people are deficient in VIT D) checked in a decade. 

 

You add vaping, drinking, a sedentary lifestyle and for some, recreational drugs, and you have a lot of primed unhealthy bodies for any virus to take root in. 

We've all been dancing around this for a year. Once we had a better idea of what was happening, we should have targeted the elderly, the obese, and the otherwise compromised with our Covid strategy. I'm convinced we'd have seen far better results, and a far better national attitude if we'd all just focused our response on those isolated groups.  Instead, like with everything government touches, they killed a mosquito with a sledgehammer....and now we 'have to' spend $1.9 TRILLION to fix the hole in the drywall.  Classic! 

[Chef Jim]

29 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

And you wonder why I don't care to respond to you? You turn into a little B anytime you don't hear what YOU WANT TO HEAR.

 

Trump Hits Back At Fauci, Lockdowns, Claims He ‘Saved’ 2 Million Lives

 

This "fact" has been mentioned here several times amongst your likeminded friends.

 

 

 

Stop!!  Just ***** STOP!!!  This has nothing to do with what Trump said what Trump did and EVERYTHING to do with my point that based on the graph YOU shared pretty much proves that mandates vs no mandates doesn't move the needle.  I try to engage with a debate with you and I turn into a little B word?  Ummm no.  I try to debate with something that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump.  NOTHING!!  And you bring him into the conversation.  Soooooo address my point.  

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Stop!!  Just ***** STOP!!!  This has nothing to do with what Trump said what Trump did and EVERYTHING to do with my point that based on the graph YOU shared pretty much proves that mandates vs no mandates doesn't move the needle.  I try to engage with a debate with you and I turn into a little B word?  Ummm no.  I try to debate with something that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump.  NOTHING!!  And you bring him into the conversation.  Soooooo address my point.  

 

LOL - yea, you sound like a guy that owns a glock... listen to you.

[716er]

13 minutes ago, dpberr said:

You don't see the government banning fast food, society shaming the obese like some do over the vaccine or anyone advocating healthier meal plans at home and preaching about getting a half hour of real activity a day.  Hell, the government found fast food "essential" and closed down parks and playgrounds last year.  I remember cities removing basketball hoops.  How dare those children exercise!  

 

If you want to talk pandemics, obesity and its comorbidity is "the" national pandemic.  Kids are fat.  Millennials in the prime of their lives, fat.  Middle age when the health problems multiply even when you're healthy...fat.    Elderly...fat.  You see the fat arms and legs.  You see the huge beer guts.  You see the bloat.   People out there who haven't had their cholesterol or Vitamin D (nearly all overweight people are deficient in VIT D) checked in a decade. 

 

I recall a previous first lady who championed this as her cause and was mocked by her husband's political opponents mercilessly for it.

 

The 16 oz. soda rule didn't go over too well with that crowd, either. 

 

What do you think should be done?

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

LOL - yea, you sound like a guy that owns a glock... listen to you.

 

So you don't want to respond directly to my point of what your graph in my mind proved?  What's with the tangents?  

 

[SoCal Deek]

14 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Stop!!  Just ***** STOP!!!  This has nothing to do with what Trump said what Trump did and EVERYTHING to do with my point that based on the graph YOU shared pretty much proves that mandates vs no mandates doesn't move the needle.  I try to engage with a debate with you and I turn into a little B word?  Ummm no.  I try to debate with something that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump.  NOTHING!!  And you bring him into the conversation.  Soooooo address my point.  

I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago, but got little response.  If you look at the mountain of data that's piled up across the country over an entire year, you'll find our Covid response has been like flipping a coin. If you flip it enough times, you're likley to come up with an equal number of heads and tails. This is what we've seen State by State. The deaths per million are almost identical across this vast nation. The statistical variance is minimal. The only real outliers are Hawaii, Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Vermont, and Maine.  What does this tell us?  It tells us that the far extremities of the country have done the best.  It appears to have more to do with geography than policy, but I guess that makes sense. If you can limit travel from outside, infected population centers then you'll see less spread of a contagious virus.

Edited March 30, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago, but got little response.  If you look at the mountain of data that's piled up across the country over an entire year, you'll find our Covid response has been like flipping a coin. If you flip it enough times, you're likley to come up with an equal number of heads and tails. This is what we've seen State by State. The deaths per million are almost identical across this vast nation. The statistical variance is minimal. The only real outliers are Hawaii, Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Vermont, and Maine.  What does this tell us?  It tells us that the far extremities of the country have done the best.  It appears to have more to do with geography than policy, but I guess that makes sense. If you can limit travel from outside, infected population centers then you'll see less spread of a contagious virus.

 

What I find very amazing is that how quickly the virus spread in 1918.  Yes we were in the middle of a World War but we did not travel then like we do now.   It's crazy how quickly it spread worldwide in 2020 with all the international travel we do as humans but what was the level of commercial airline flights in 1918?  Almost non-existent.  If we'd all stop the quibbling and freaking out and think about the historical aspect of what we have gone through and will continue to go through?  It's absolutely fascinating.  

 

Ok back to the you're wrong and I'm right sound chambers........

[TH3]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Who?  What does Trump have do to with my point?  Go ahead.  Challenge it. 

 

Good lord dude. You're a one trick pony if ever there was one.  

 

Can't argue you a point you cry BUT TRUMP!!!!  

 

I already said yes to this.  Death is death.  It's final. It sucks but when it's over it's over.  The pandemic of 1918 lasted about two years.  The economic and psychological effects of a lock down last MUCH longer.  And what advances?  They seem to have no clue as to what they are doing.  Look at how often things changed in the first several months of this.  They are still not in agreeance on how to combat this.  I say (again) virus gonna virus so let it.  We have a vaccine now that they didn't have in 1918 and we are almost exactly where the world was over a hundred years ago.  The arrogance of humans sometimes.  

l effects of a lock down last MUCH longer.

 

Hahaha....seems like the psychological effects of this pandemic seem to be hitting libertarians, conservatives and republicans sooooo much harder than everyone else...because you know...they are forced with the simple fact that being a citizen...part of a collective effort...is the way to get out of this quicker and faster than acting like a myopic brainwashed idiot.