oldmanfan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: No it hasn't. You only say this now bc there IS a vaccine. What was the exit strategy if there was none? To this day vaccination is still not the stated exit strategy. That was never the objective. They all lied and they all continue to lie. Why do I know this? Because that's the ONLY thing we have EVIDENCE of. Dupes. All of the low info. Total dupes. They are not all lying unless you count the former President. Vaccinations are the best way to prevent viral diseases. And if you can’t get a vaccine, like with HIV, you work like hell to find treatments to hold down infectivity. And while doing so you counsel people of behaviors to help prevent spread. Honest to God, you don’t have the first damn clue about science. The people fighting this aren’t lying and the only dupe here is you. Because your agenda is clear: you want people to continue to die and for your kids and others to suffer so you can go off on a message board. How sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: They are not all lying unless you count the former President. Vaccinations are the best way to prevent viral diseases. And if you can’t get a vaccine, like with HIV, you work like hell to find treatments to hold down infectivity. And while doing so you counsel people of behaviors to help prevent spread. Honest to God, you don’t have the first damn clue about science. The people fighting this aren’t lying and the only dupe here is you. Because your agenda is clear: you want people to continue to die and for your kids and others to suffer so you can go off on a message board. How sad. It's ironic once again that those who watch Fox news all day talk about this slippery slope into socialism say others are "scared". If it wasn't hypocritical it wouldn't be conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: They are not all lying unless you count the former President. Vaccinations are the best way to prevent viral diseases. And if you can’t get a vaccine, like with HIV, you work like hell to find treatments to hold down infectivity. And while doing so you counsel people of behaviors to help prevent spread. Gtfo with that nonsense. I'm not your concern. And you're not mine. My concern is my family. Nothing else. As it should be yours. Our job isn't to fake try to do what we can to "slow the spread." Breaking news.....it's never going away. Ever. So when does you and your virtue signaling fakery regarding your care for others actually end so my kids (and 50 million others) can have normal childhoods and not want to kill themselves every day. 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Honest to God, you don’t have the first damn clue about science. Haven't seen any to justify what we're doing. Florida and Sweden agree. 7 minutes ago, daz28 said: It's ironic once again that those who watch Fox news all day talk about this slippery slope into socialism say others are "scared". If it wasn't hypocritical it wouldn't be conservative. Who said anything about socialism and fox news? I don't watch fake TV and staged dramas out of DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Gtfo with that nonsense. I'm not your concern. And you're not mine. My concern is my family. Nothing else. As it should be yours. Our job isn't to fake try to do what we can to "slow the spread." Breaking news.....it's never going away. Ever. So when does you and your virtue signaling fakery regarding your care for others actually end so my kids (and 50 million others) can have normal childhoods and not want to kill themselves every day. Trump said it was going to magically disappear. Also, try googling viruses that have been eradicated. You'll find what we in the science community call a LIST OF FACTS. 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Who said anything about socialism and fox news? I don't watch fake TV and staged dramas out of DC FWIW, even though you're often wrong, you do seem to debate in good faith. There are millions upon million of Americans who do hang on every lie that Fox spreads. I hope Dominion whips the crap out of them in court so they will be less likely to spread nonsense. Any news that has people on to tell their 'expert opinion' isn't news. It's propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Gtfo with that nonsense. I'm not your concern. And you're not mine. My concern is my family. Nothing else. As it should be yours. Our job isn't to fake try to do what we can to "slow the spread." Breaking news.....it's never going away. Ever. So when does you and your virtue signaling fakery regarding your care for others actually end so my kids (and 50 million others) can have normal childhoods and not want to kill themselves every day. Haven't seen any to justify what we're doing. Florida and Sweden agree. Who said anything about socialism and fox news? I don't watch fake TV and staged dramas out of DC You as in the public health community genius. As far as Sweden and Florida, Sweden has a higher death rate than neighboring countries. And their citizens do much better at voluntarily wearing masks and doing other preventive behaviors instead of making a stupid political game out of it. Florida? Do we have their real data or not? I want your kids to have normal childhoods again. It seems clear to me you don’t, that you’d rather scare them by saying that it will never go away and that they’ll kill themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: It seems clear to me you don’t, that you’d rather scare them by saying that it will never go away and that they’ll kill themselves. Don't assume you know how I've had to navigate this with my kids. It is the exact opposite of what you think. That's assuming you can, which I will. I've been doing the impossible for 13 months here. And counting. I suggest you never assume to know how a parent here deals with anything with their kids ever again. Edited March 28, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Don't assume you know how I've had to navigate this with my kids. It is the exact opposite of what you think. That's assuming you can, which I will. I've been doing the impossible for 13 months here. And counting. I suggest you never assume to know how a parent here deals with anything with their kids ever again. I am sympathetic with anyone with kids during the epidemic and apologize to you for getting too strident on that. I still suggest, however, that if you are telling your children this will never end you reconsider doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I am sympathetic with anyone with kids during the epidemic and apologize to you for getting too strident on that. I still suggest, however, that if you are telling your children this will never end you reconsider doing so. Nope. I have never been so stupid. But they are starting to feel like it and are asking the same questions that everyone else is. Remember, my comments today started when I read that POS Birx interview today in which she said we should have acted sooner---that Trump should have done something. Uh huh....... February 25th, 2020. Let me guess. "But the CDC was gutted!" Yea sure. If you're believing ANYTHING these bureaucrats are telling you, you're the problem. I'm not saying to not take caution you do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I am sympathetic with anyone with kids during the epidemic and apologize to you for getting too strident on that. I still suggest, however, that if you are telling your children this will never end you reconsider doing so. For what a taxpayer shells out to raise other people's children, you'd think they would deserve some say. I know this is way off topic, but people having kids as a way to get government hand outs is a sticky subject with me. It should be based on households, whether it be 1, 2, or 20 people. You only pay rent, gas, and electric once. I'm all for helping the poor, but giving an able-bodied 28 year old 10x what you'd give a 60 year old couple(or worse widowed) is ridiculous. I don't want any kids to be needy, but people need to have a better family building plan than rely on the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Nope. I have never been so stupid. But they are starting to feel like it and are asking the same questions that everyone else is. Remember, my comments today started when I read that POS Birx interview today in which she said we should have acted sooner---that Trump should have done something. Uh huh....... February 25th, 2020. Let me guess. "But the CDC was gutted!" Yea sure. If you're believing ANYTHING these bureaucrats are telling you, you're the problem. I'm not saying to not take caution you do you. Not to mention Fauci's devastating "masks don't work" claim? I still don't see how he escaped major blame for that one considering mask-wearing is considered the one thing that would have prevented all those people dying (never mind the 20/20 hindsighting with shutting down the country sooner ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Nope. I have never been so stupid. But they are starting to feel like it and are asking the same questions that everyone else is. Remember, my comments today started when I read that POS Birx interview today in which she said we should have acted sooner---that Trump should have done something. Uh huh....... February 25th, 2020. Let me guess. "But the CDC was gutted!" Yea sure. If you're believing ANYTHING these bureaucrats are telling you, you're the problem. I'm not saying to not take caution you do you. Birx isn't a bureaucrat, and she was saying the bureaucrats were a problem. What you posted was a CDC RECOMMENDATION(even though it was wrong), which is exactly the type of laissez faire you wanted??? It's pretty hard to use caution and do "you" when the information is incomplete/inaccurate. 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Not to mention Fauci's devastating "masks don't work" claim? I still don't see how he escaped major blame for that one considering mask-wearing is considered the one thing that would have prevented all those people dying (never mind the 20/20 hindsighting with shutting down the country sooner ). Suppose London is being blitzed, and you tell everyone to get in the bomb shelter, because that's what you believe is the safest measure, then the bomb shelter takes the direct hit. As someone in medicine, you have to know that you can only give what you consider to be your best advice given what you know at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Not to mention Fauci's devastating "masks don't work" claim? I still don't see how he escaped major blame for that one considering mask-wearing is considered the one thing that would have prevented all those people dying (never mind the 20/20 hindsighting with shutting down the country sooner ). Ok, this is crap. At the beginning of the pandemic before the CDC and others had as much data on the mechanisms of spread, Dr. Fauci advised against masks to make sure that hospital personnel had enough PPE to take care of patients. As more data on cloth masks having an influence in droplet spread became available his opinion changed. This is precisely his science works. You know this, why do you insist on perpetuating a lie? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Future generations will mock our fear, mock our cowardice, mock our willingness to surrender our liberties int he face of a danger wherein over 99% of the afflicted recover. They will judge us harshly for cowering at the feet of "experts". And they'll be absolutely correct in doing so. Unfortunately the way the citizens of this country are evolving history will treat us as courageous survivors of a deadly pandemic and murderous (better @SoCal Deek ?) work of the Nazi Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, daz28 said: Birx isn't a bureaucrat, and she was saying the bureaucrats were a problem. What you posted was a CDC RECOMMENDATION(even though it was wrong), which is exactly the type of laissez faire you wanted??? It's pretty hard to use caution and do "you" when the information is incomplete/inaccurate. Suppose London is being blitzed, and you tell everyone to get in the bomb shelter, because that's what you believe is the safest measure, then the bomb shelter takes the direct hit. As someone in medicine, you have to know that you can only give what you consider to be your best advice given what you know at the time. Being a politician during all this is a lose lose situation. I’d never want to be in that position. Classic example of damned if you do damned if you don’t. Trump lost his job because he didn’t and Newsom may very well lose his because he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Ok, this is crap. At the beginning of the pandemic before the CDC and others had as much data on the mechanisms of spread, Dr. Fauci advised against masks to make sure that hospital personnel had enough PPE to take care of patients. As more data on cloth masks having an influence in droplet spread became available his opinion changed. This is precisely his science works. You know this, why do you insist on perpetuating a lie? They perpetuate the lie, because that's what they are told to do. Good little sycophants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, daz28 said: Birx isn't a bureaucrat, and she was saying the bureaucrats were a problem. What you posted was a CDC RECOMMENDATION(even though it was wrong), which is exactly the type of laissez faire you wanted?? No I was using it as a point that Birx was full of ***t this morning. If she thinks we should have done something sooner, when? Did she recommend that? Did Fauci? No. But Trump killed 100,000 innocents or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Being a politician during all this is a lose lose situation. I’d never want to be in that position. Classic example of damned if you do damned if you don’t. Trump lost his job because he didn’t and Newsom may very well lose his because he did. This is true Jim, but our politicians feel like rock stars with the power they have. There's no other reason to explain why an 85 year old career politician who's rich doesn't just take their money, and enjoy their retirement. They are ADDICTED to their power. 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: No I was using it as a point that Birx was full of ***t this morning. If she thinks we should have done something sooner, when? Did she recommend that? Did Fauci? No. But Trump killed 100,000 innocents or something. Trump was also full of it when he said he wasn't telling the truth, because he didn't want a "panic". What creates more panic? Drink the water, and you won't get sick, OR watching people drink the water you were told was safe, and watching people die after???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 59 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Ok, this is crap. At the beginning of the pandemic before the CDC and others had as much data on the mechanisms of spread, Dr. Fauci advised against masks to make sure that hospital personnel had enough PPE to take care of patients. As more data on cloth masks having an influence in droplet spread became available his opinion changed. This is precisely his science works. You know this, why do you insist on perpetuating a lie? What lie? He said what he said, did he not? By the time he changed his opinion the damage had been done in the minds of many. And conveniently blaming Trump for everything but giving Fauci et al a pass for their ignorance is rich. Talk about crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Also the PPE was depleted under Obama. It was his responsibility to replenish it no matter how it occurred, not wait 6 years later and for a new administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Doc said: What lie? He said what he said, did he not? By the time he changed his opinion the damage had been done in the minds of many. And conveniently blaming Trump for everything but giving Fauci et al a pass for their ignorance is rich. Talk about crap. Did they try HCQ with zinc yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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