The Sham Impeachment Inquiry & Whistleblower Saga: A Race to Get Ahead of the OIG

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

There is exactly zero merit to the low IQ, the disinterested, and the ignorant voting.

 

None.

 

Most people cannot name the Vice President, a single member of SCOTUS, or their own Congress person or Senators.  It’s even worse at the local and state levels of government.

 

There's also a sizable portion of the electorate that understands that democracy is a sham designed to keep an elite class elevated, and the underclass ruled over, and is not designed to solve problems.

 

This is what happens when you don't invest in education. In a system where everyone can directly vote for the leader of the country, there is no reason voter turnout should be so low. 

 

I disagree with your last sentence. Democracy does not do that in most places around the world. 

 

However when you allow corporations and the elite to buy elections and influence politicians through lobbying, everyone but the top 1% gets completely screwed over. 

Edited November 26, 2019 by jrober38

[DC Tom]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

This is what happens when you don't invest in education. In a system where everyone can directly vote for the leader of the country, there is no reason voter turnout should be so low. 

 

[...]

 

However when you allow corporations and the elite to buy elections and influence politicians through lobbying, everyone but the top 1% gets completely screwed over. 

 

Think about how these statements don't work together...

[Warren Zevon]

 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

Think about how these statements don't work together...

 

In my opinion, US politicians work for their donors and not their constituents. That's a major problem.

 

Poor education results in fewer people getting engaged in politics because they don't understand it. As you said their awareness about the issues and candidates is extremely poor. 

[row_33]

9 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Think about how these statements don't work together...

 

perfect recipe for a bitter loser going nowhere in life, dragging down anyone who is dumb enough to take it to heart

 

would be a shame if that person actually had a chance in life to begin with...

 

 

[DC Tom]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

In my opinion, US politicians work for their donors and not their constituents. That's a major problem.

 

Poor education results in fewer people getting engaged in politics because they don't understand it. As you said their awareness about the issues and candidates is extremely poor. 

 

Except if the corporate elite buy elections, all the education in the world isn't going to impact the results.

 

Particularly when the corporate elite have also bought the educational system.

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Except if the corporate elite buy elections, all the education in the world isn't going to impact the results.

 

Particularly when the corporate elite have also bought the educational system.

 

If the electorate was smarter, it wouldn't let it happen.

 

The only candidates who would actually shake up the system are Sanders and Warren. I don't agree with much of what they're saying, but I think they'd do their best to smash the hold the political elites have over federal politics. 

Edited November 26, 2019 by jrober38

[3rdnlng]

Poor education is caused by the liberal influence on educators. Our teachers and administrations should get back to the basics such as the 3 r's and quit trying to revise history. They are deliberately erasing the things that have made our country great and eliminating our culture that recognizes our past.

[DC Tom]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

If the electorate was smarter, it wouldn't let it happen.

 

  You argued for throwing money at the educational system, that ultimately funds the corporate elite that buys the elections of the people that fund the educational system.  And your argument is "if the electorate were smarter."  Which you argue comes from increasing funding for the educational system... 

 

This is what "you're an idiot" means.  Not "I disagree with you."  But "You're thought process is so clearly and obviously warped that I can't agree or disagree with you."  Or, as Wolfgang Pauli once told Lev Landau, "What you said was so confused that one could not tell whether it was nonsense or not."

[Foxx]

30 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

and awayyyyy we go....

 

are these public or private?

 

Nadler's letter to the President.

[keepthefaith]

23 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

If the electorate was smarter, it wouldn't let it happen.

 

The only candidates who would actually shake up the system are Sanders and Warren. I don't agree with much of what they're saying, but I think they'd do their best to smash the hold the political elites have over federal politics. 

 

Sanders and Warren are political elites, they are just the leftist kind wanting to put a stranglehold on other people's money and spread around the benefit to what fits their point of view. They are the worst kind of elites. 

[Foxx]

3 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

I can get behind censure, on the basis that Trump is truly a dumbass, and as a justification and foundation for greater oversight.

some support for this argument.

The House Will Not Vote On Impeachment. It Will Censure Trump.

 

myself, i have considered a multitude of paths the Dems could take and didn't see one that wouldn't blow up in their faces. however, this was one path i had not considered and just from a topical thought process, this seems like the most logical way forward for them where they can claim victory.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Foxx

[TakeYouToTasker]

46 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

This is what happens when you don't invest in education. In a system where everyone can directly vote for the leader of the country, there is no reason voter turnout should be so low. 

The United States invests more into education than most countries on the planet.

 

The OECD reports that in 2018 the US spent $12,800 per student on elementary and secondary education, 35% more than the average OECD country.  The US spent $30,000 at the post-secondary level which was 93% more than the average OECD country.

 

Spending does not create better results.

 

I disagree with your last sentence. Democracy does not do that in most places around the world.

 

Take a look around the world not just today, but throughout history.  The entire purpose of government is to protect the ruling elite from the toiling underclass.  It’s why the elite not only allow governments to exist, but insist that they do.
 

If you want to take an honest dive into this, I’ll gladly go with you.

 

However when you allow corporations and the elite to buy elections and influence politicians through lobbying, everyone but the top 1% gets completely screwed over.

 

And there’s the rub.  If you build a power structure that is a monopoly of force it will *always* be co-opted by those who will use the power you have embued the structure with towards their own ends.  It’s the reason they seek the office in most cases.  Libraries full of history and philosophy have been written on this subject, and it always turns out the same.

 

The entire purpose of the state is, and has always been, to protect the interests of the ruling elite.  It is, in fact, the only thing the state can be used for, as it’s very existence requires a ruling elite.

 

As Tom says, your thoughts on the matter aren't congruent.

[Nanker]

2 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

 

What current Republican in the House or Senate would support censure? 

Which house will censure him?

I'm not sure the House can censure anybody except their own members of the House.

 

The Senate censured Andrew Jackson, and that was expunged three or so years later. 

[Foxx]

4 minutes ago, Nanker said:

... I'm not sure the House can censure anybody except their own members of the House. ...

do you think that will stop them?

[row_33]

4 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Which house will censure him?

I'm not sure the House can censure anybody except their own members of the House.

 

The Senate censured Andrew Jackson, and that was expunged three or so years later. 

 

Trump would totally enjoy being the second if AJ was the first

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

This is what happens when you don't invest in education. In a system where everyone can directly vote for the leader of the country, there is no reason voter turnout should be so low. 

 

 

Wrong! This is what happens when you unionize public employees so that one party opinion dominates the education system. 

[DC Tom]

42 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

As Tom says, your thoughts on the matter aren't congruent.

 

But I say it with more style.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]