BullBuchanan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I am not used to this response on an internet message board. What do I do now? We bury it deep down, go our separate ways and pretend this never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: We bury it deep down, go our separate ways and pretend this never happened. Wait. Are you Irish too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Wait. Are you Irish too? Depends on the company I'm keeping. My ancestors liked to pass it around it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I don't see Alabama in the original list? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 hours ago, HOUSE said: I was looking at teams around the NFL, can you name 5 NFL teams CLEARLY better then the Buffalo Bills. If the Buffalo Bills played the below teams twice ( home & away) the Bills would lose both. Maybe I am a BIG HOMER but I can't come up with 5. Go for it......the Patriots, Steelers and Browns are not on my list Arizona Cardinals Atlanta Falcons Baltimore Ravens Carolina Panthers Chicago Bears Cincinnati Bengals Cleveland Browns Dallas Cowboys Denver Broncos Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers Houston Texans Indianapolis Colts Jacksonville Jaguars Kansas City Chiefs Los Angeles Chargers Los Angeles Rams Miami Dolphins Minnesota Vikings New England Patriots New Orleans Saints New York Giants New York Jets Oakland Raiders Philadelphia Eagles Pittsburgh Steelers San Francisco 49ers Seattle Seahawks Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tennessee Titans Washington Redskins I love your optimism, considering they haven't even finished the preseason and you clearly have no clue about the other teams in the NFL. Look at the QB's on all 31 of the other teams. I compare them to what Allen was last year. That is a good gauge. That being said, here is the list I have: Atlanta Falcons Carolina Panthers Chicago Bears Cleveland Browns Dallas Cowboys Detroit Lions (push) Green Bay Packers Houston Texans Indianapolis Colts Kansas City Chiefs Los Angeles Chargers Los Angeles Rams New England Patriots New Orleans Saints New York Jets (push) Philadelphia Eagles Pittsburgh Steelers San Francisco 49ers Seattle Seahawks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I love your optimism, considering they haven't even finished the preseason and you clearly have no clue about the other teams in the NFL. Look at the QB's on all 31 of the other teams. I compare them to what Allen was last year. That is a good gauge. That being said, here is the list I have: Atlanta FalconsCarolina Panthers Chicago BearsCleveland Browns Dallas CowboysDetroit Lions (push) Green Bay PackersHouston Texans Indianapolis Colts Kansas City Chiefs Los Angeles Chargers Los Angeles Rams New England Patriots New Orleans SaintsNew York Jets (push) Philadelphia EaglesSan Francisco 49ers Seattle Seahawks You must be kidding with the bolded. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, BillsDude said: Take off the middle 3 and we got a deal. I'm taking off the Eagles too. Who knows what Wentz is going to do. He didn't look that great last season. And what is with all this Steelers love? Not seeing it. I got: Rams Chiefs Saints Chargers (w/ Gordon) Pats (until Brady proves otherwise they belong here) That's about it. Edited August 21, 2019 by Mark80 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 the Steeler love? them seeming to have at the worst a decent team basically every season since 1972.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/ they get benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: the Steeler love? them seeming to have at the worst a decent team basically every season since 1972.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/ they get benefit of the doubt. Might as well not even play the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: You must be kidding with the bolded. I'm not. It is questionable I suppose with Jimmy G. but yes, I think Cam, Baker, et. al are better QB's right now, than Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I'm not. It is questionable I suppose with Jimmy G. but yes, I think Cam, Baker, et. al are better QB's right now, than Allen QB is clearly important. But you really just ranked teams according to whether they had a better QB. That is obviously wrong, as illustrated by your inclusion of the Lions, Jets, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I'm not. It is questionable I suppose with Jimmy G. but yes, I think Cam, Baker, et. al are better QB's right now, than Allen So strictly on QBs then? Because Carolina's a terrible team outside of Cam. Browns are MASSIVELY over-rated. Watson will likely die this year in Houston, DETROIT? Come on, let's get serious here. And lastly, and most infamously....the Jets. The Jets whose back 7 on defense may be the worst in the league now that their best LB is out? Can't take any of those choices too seriously. Edited August 21, 2019 by Joe in Winslow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: So strictly on QBs then? Because Carolina's a terrible team outside of Cam. Browns are MASSIVELY over-rated. Watson will likely die this year in Houston, DETROIT? Come on, let's get serious here. And lastly, and most infamously....the Jets. The Jets whose back 7 on defense may be the worst in the league now that their best LB is out? Can't take any of those choices too seriously. I'm talking about QB's, the most important position on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 hours ago, HOUSE said: I was looking at teams around the NFL, can you name 5 NFL teams CLEARLY better then the Buffalo Bills. If the Buffalo Bills played the below teams twice ( home & away) the Bills would lose both. Maybe I am a BIG HOMER but I can't come up with 5. Go for it......the Patriots, Steelers and Browns are not on my list I like the optimistic out look, but this feels to be a stretch. While I feel Bills can and will surprise this year and be a double digit win team, we still have a lot to prove and a lot of new pieces that need to A) Be healthy and B) Gel on the field...to go along with Allens development (which I am confident in). On paper going into the season...some teams I think will be tough teams this year are as follows in no particular order: Chiefs - Potent offense and looks to have on paper an improved defense. Pats - Still there until proven otherwise. Offense could be quite good this year. Broncos - People are over looking this team, but the defense is already very good and could be better and they have a great run game allowing Flacco to manage the offense more than carry it. Bears - A team on the rise, and already fielding the best defense in the league (last year). Robinson is a year further removed from the injury and Trubisky had a strong 2nd season to go with a new shiny RB in Montgomery to go along with Cohen. Steelers - Defense is better, Conner is good and their WR's are still strong. Browns - Ascending team, and on paper, should be quite good. Eagles - This team will go as far as Wentz can go, if he stays healthy they should be pretty good...IF. Rams - Still a major SB contender, and probably the favorite in the NFC. Saints - If Brees doesnt slip, should be a lock for playoffs. Chargers - Will be a double digit win team and should compete for divisional title in toughest division in the NFL this year Ravens - Strong team in my book still and reports are Lamar looks like a much better passer already. Texans - Strong contender for the playoffs and could be dangerous if everyone can stay healthy. You also have some wildcard teams that could be strong too like Panthers with a healthy Cam, Packers with a rebuilt defense, Falcons, and Seahawks. I am not saying all of those teams will for sure be great...but given the depth of the NFL this year, I can not in any way say the Bills are in the top 5, let alone top 10 right now. I am very optimistic about them this year and I think we are going to win 10 to 11 games. But thats also rooted in belief and optimism rather than on field evidence. Bills absolutely could prove to be a top 5 team this year, but today I just cant put them in the top 5 with a straight face until they show it on the field. Truth is, I believe we WILL win the Jets game, but in reality I would say its probably a 50/50 call right now on who should even be the favorite. They seem to be an ascending team too and Darnold has also had a strong camp and preseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: I'm talking about QB's, the most important position on the field. Then you're off topic. Read the title, and rethink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, whorlnut said: Patriots, Rams, Chiefs, Steelers, Cowboys, Texans, Chargers, Saints, Eagles. We we are getting closer, but we’re not quite there boys. I’d pull the Steelers off the better list and add the Browns. We are in a similar place to them but their high end talent is more proven and better than ours (Baker, OBJ, Garrett, Etc...). The Colts, Jags, Steelers, Jets and Vikings can all be considered as well. Each of them has some question marks but those teams could all win 11 games if things went right. I think that I agree with the rest of your list. Edited August 21, 2019 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: QB is clearly important. But you really just ranked teams according to whether they had a better QB. That is obviously wrong, as illustrated by your inclusion of the Lions, Jets, etc. Do you really think that the Jets and Bills are that far apart? You could argue that Darnold is a better QB than Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: Do you really think that the Jets and Bills are that far apart? You could argue that Darnold is a better QB than Allen. I'll give you the push on offense. But the defenses are miles apart. I realize QB is important, but you are literally looking at nothing else. QBs aren't THAT important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Then you're off topic. Read the title, and rethink. My point is that you can gauge how good a team is based on the QB they have. Gauge it, not necessarily define it. Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: QBs aren't THAT important. I strongly disagree. We can agree to disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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