Andy1 Posted July 23 Posted July 23 9 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Oh, snap—-Trump pardons/commutes sentence for GM in exchange for her rolling on high profile politically connected clients? Interesting angle, Andy. That way, we get answers straight from the source. It’s quite possible that we both could be right. 1 1
Homelander Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Trump in 2016, “If you’re innocent, then why are you taking the 5th amendment?” 1
muppy Posted July 24 Posted July 24 On 7/15/2025 at 7:59 PM, Big Blitz said: They’re coming. And you’ll call them forged and fake. All House Republicans are for truth and transparency. And we know President Trump can be trusted to make the right decisions, to stand for justice, and to protect the innocent. first of all How "Convenient" is it for senor Johnson to be lecturing the American people on MAGA values. am I being punked right now Release the files you COWARD This is what you call talking out of both sides of your both. In literal terms saying One thing and doing the exact opposite. Does he think the American public are stupid? what a ***** cluster***** and to that I bolded I Literally laughed. You have GOT to be kidding me. Naranja has been gifted perfect trust by MAGA I rest my case. It is culotish and it is MORONIC to trust him. spare me the bull#### 13 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: I am so sick of this baloney. what a sleazy bunch we have in government. holy mierda folks DUH he is in the files. Who else? Let the chips fall and the crows come home to roost SHOW Me the FILES COWARDS all of them
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 24 Posted July 24 21 minutes ago, muppy said: first of all How "Convenient" is it for senor Johnson to be lecturing the American people on MAGA values. am I being punked right now Release the files you COWARD This is what you call talking out of both sides of your both. In literal terms saying One thing and doing the exact opposite. Does he think the American public are stupid? what a ***** cluster***** and to that I bolded I Literally laughed. You have GOT to be kidding me. Naranja has been gifted perfect trust by MAGA I rest my case. It is culotish and it is MORONIC to trust him. spare me the bull#### I am so sick of this baloney. what a sleazy bunch we have in government. holy mierda folks DUH he is in the files. Who else? Let the chips fall and the crows come home to roost SHOW Me the FILES COWARDS all of them But in fairness, Mup, the statement shared is 100% on point regarding transparency and the abject failure (or complicit behavior) on the coverage of Biden’s decline and cover-up in real time. Is it cowardice or political posturing?
BillsFanNC Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Since the current Epstein thing is only about deflecting from this.... 1 2
TH3 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 3 hours ago, muppy said: first of all How "Convenient" is it for senor Johnson to be lecturing the American people on MAGA values. am I being punked right now Release the files you COWARD This is what you call talking out of both sides of your both. In literal terms saying One thing and doing the exact opposite. Does he think the American public are stupid? what a ***** cluster***** and to that I bolded I Literally laughed. You have GOT to be kidding me. Naranja has been gifted perfect trust by MAGA I rest my case. It is culotish and it is MORONIC to trust him. spare me the bull#### I am so sick of this baloney. what a sleazy bunch we have in government. holy mierda folks DUH he is in the files. Who else? Let the chips fall and the crows come home to roost SHOW Me the FILES COWARDS all of them Any files that end up getting released are gonna be so cleansed they will be worthless. All the machinations coming from DOJ and Wh are just pretend action. of course DT was involved. I have actually boated by that island off St Thomas…. News flash…. It’s not a big resort…not much to do there except hijinx. My fave is Alan Dershowitz who admits being on that island and getting a massage….but that’s “all”😝 2 1
muppy Posted July 24 Posted July 24 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: But in fairness, Mup, the statement shared is 100% on point regarding transparency and the abject failure (or complicit behavior) on the coverage of Biden’s decline and cover-up in real time. Is it cowardice or political posturing? oh I know its both clearly yes my friend. It still stinks like yesterdays dirty diapers
Pokebball Posted July 24 Posted July 24 On 7/22/2025 at 9:17 PM, Andy1 said: So last week Trump fires the woman who prosecuted Ghislaine Maxwell. Now he appoints his personal attorney who intends to interview her as she sits in prison doing her 20-year sentence. I’d bet that the purpose of the interview is to get her to make some statement which will solve Trumps current political problem with Epstein, in exchange for a secret favor from Trump. This is totally normal for a President. Has there ever been a president with more of his associates in prison? Do you believe that there is a "some statement which will solve Trumps current political problem with Epstein"?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 24 Posted July 24 6 minutes ago, muppy said: oh I know its both clearly yes my friend. It still stinks like yesterdays dirty diapers See, I don't think it's cowardice at all. I see it as political posturing, ugly though it may be. Let's be fair Mup--it's quite obvious the Russiagate fiasco was nearly 100% political posturing in the Joseph McCarthy mode. Had Obama had any sense of decency or desire for unity, he could have quickly and efficiently dispelled the Clinton narrative by stating that the Clinton team was working with a foreign national to sow discontent about the safety and security of our elections. It blossomed from there of course, but we know this to be true: Obama was a typical politician, as was HRC, John Brennan and the like--they manipulated the emotions of a certain number of American voters just jonesing for a great Russian crime drama knowing full well they would buy it hook, line and sinker. I don't think that was cowardice at all. It was a coordinated attempt to overturn the results of a free and fair election. That's why Trump launched Stop the Steal, it made perfect sense to do so. The Obama/Clinton approach worked very, very well to cause anger, frustration and discontent amongst the populace. Trump simply followed suit with his own unique spin on it. Both coordinated smears sucked, both drove a wedge between people if they allowed it to, but really---what would we expect? 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 24 Posted July 24 4 hours ago, muppy said: DUH he is in the files. Who else? That's the weirdest thing about this. Of course Trump is in "the files." The files likely include all kinds of public information like the photos we've already seen (Epstein with Trump and the Clintons) and the flight logs (same). So there's really not much new here, except for the Streisand Effect amplified by Trump's ham-handed attempts to say "nothing to see here." The Epstein Birthday book submission is creepy of course, but again, it's not like we don't know that Trump proudly associated himself with the Epstein lifestyle of hitting on young women; I guess the dividing line is "yeah, but they were all of the legal age of consent." So it's the "I may be a creep, but I'm not a criminal" public defense. In other words, he's a Republican Bill Clinton. The Democrats were just too slow to make the pivot from downplaying Epstein to playing him up. That's because the Clintons wouldn't go away. Although Hillary lurks and acts like she'd be ready to run again if drafted, that ship has sailed. The Clintons are now peripheral to the Democratic mainstream, which has shifted farther left. Meanwhile, Trump is the Republican Party, nothing more or less. So the Dems have a lot less to lose by more reporting like "Clinton/Trump Both Loved Epstein and His Girls." They didn't seem to realize this until about six weeks ago. Turnabout is fair play in politics. I saw an interview with an attorney for some Epstein victims where he said that the executors of Epstein's estate (pretty much independent lawyers) likely have the Birthday Book and that Congress (or, for that matter, the WSJ now that it's been stupidly sued by Trump) can simply subpoena it. Prediction: it will emerge, and it will be a kind of National Directory of Scumbags. By the way, anything the Trump Administration comes out with about "interviewing" Ghislaine Maxwell is only going to make this worse. Trump can pardon her or commute her sentence (I can't imagine him doing that before January 2029, when I can really really imagine it) so we can only assume that anything she comes out with would exonerate Trump and perhaps throw the Clintons under the bus. The incentive structure is all in one direction. People may be fools, but not so much that they'd buy that. 1
muppy Posted July 24 Posted July 24 6 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: See, I don't think it's cowardice at all. I see it as political posturing, ugly though it may be. Let's be fair Mup--it's quite obvious the Russiagate fiasco was nearly 100% political posturing in the Joseph McCarthy mode. Had Obama had any sense of decency or desire for unity, he could have quickly and efficiently dispelled the Clinton narrative by stating that the Clinton team was working with a foreign national to sow discontent about the safety and security of our elections. It blossomed from there of course, but we know this to be true: Obama was a typical politician, as was HRC, John Brennan and the like--they manipulated the emotions of a certain number of American voters just jonesing for a great Russian crime drama knowing full well they would buy it hook, line and sinker. I don't think that was cowardice at all. It was a coordinated attempt to overturn the results of a free and fair election. That's why Trump launched Stop the Steal, it made perfect sense to do so. The Obama/Clinton approach worked very, very well to cause anger, frustration and discontent amongst the populace. Trump simply followed suit with his own unique spin on it. Both coordinated smears sucked, both drove a wedge between people if they allowed it to, but really---what would we expect? hey Leo Thank you for the reply. I'm not surprised with your answer. here is so Much SPIN in PPP type discussions. If what didn't happen then is pertinent now I'll accept your views. I know Im not going to change your mind. You see what I think is both sides have reasons for not wanting that list published. NEWSFLASH I DONT CARE. I think Naranja doesn't want his name in any mud. I wonder why . That's sarcasm DUH
JFKjr Posted July 24 Posted July 24 10 hours ago, muppy said: first of all How "Convenient" is it for senor Johnson to be lecturing the American people on MAGA values. am I being punked right now Release the files you COWARD This is what you call talking out of both sides of your both. In literal terms saying One thing and doing the exact opposite. Does he think the American public are stupid? what a ***** cluster***** and to that I bolded I Literally laughed. You have GOT to be kidding me. Naranja has been gifted perfect trust by MAGA I rest my case. It is culotish and it is MORONIC to trust him. spare me the bull#### I am so sick of this baloney. what a sleazy bunch we have in government. holy mierda folks DUH he is in the files. Who else? Let the chips fall and the crows come home to roost SHOW Me the FILES COWARDS all of them The files. Libnuts want to see the files. I'm liking it!
reddogblitz Posted July 24 Posted July 24 On 7/15/2025 at 3:24 AM, thenorthremembers said: I think posts in this thread have done an adequate job of using actual pieces of campaign literature and video clips of Trump speaking about Epstein to show he didnt "campaign" on releasing the file. Yes and no. In the interview he first says yes and then crawfishes and says he'd have to look at it first, lot of fake stuff. Ok. That's the yes part. The no part is that he did campaign on "draining the swamp" and dismantling the "deep state". You know, no more powerful rich people breaking laws and with the help of the deep state getting away with it. Now not releasing info about a pedophile because he was your friend and some powerful people could go down so he punts sounds very swampy and deep statey to me and many others including many Republicans. Does it not to you? 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 hour ago, muppy said: hey Leo Thank you for the reply. I'm not surprised with your answer. here is so Much SPIN in PPP type discussions. If what didn't happen then is pertinent now I'll accept your views. I know Im not going to change your mind. You see what I think is both sides have reasons for not wanting that list published. NEWSFLASH I DONT CARE. I think Naranja doesn't want his name in any mud. I wonder why . That's sarcasm DUH I really have no idea how what I said is spin, it seems pretty factual to me. But, on we go!
muppy Posted July 24 Posted July 24 22 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I really have no idea how what I said is spin, it seems pretty factual to me. But, on we go! what I mean by spin is the what about ism back in history and why not then and why now release Epstein tapes. all the political subterfuge and shenanigans. Noone wants to just spill the truth. Its frustrating why can't we deal with the issue at hand? Does that explain my position better? I'm a simple girl. There was a list. Now there is no list but maybe there's a List but OH WAIT lets see the grand jury BUT WAIT lets table it for months It stinks bro. none of it involves integrity honesty or transparency it stinkc. MAGA or otherwise . I want an answer and so do a lot of people for a lot of reasons. Im not afraid of the answers To use a phrase that lawyers would disagree with is those with nothing to hide hide nothing here comes the what about when Biden was president blah blah blah blah blah
Andy1 Posted July 25 Posted July 25 9 hours ago, Pokebball said: Do you believe that there is a "some statement which will solve Trumps current political problem with Epstein"? The problem seems to be with his base who have been fed the story of Democrat run child sex rings led by HRC in the back of pizza restaurants. Epstein and his actions were part of that narrative centered around evil, godless democrats. If Maxwell makes a statement, likely in exchange for pardon, absolving Trump and implicating or suggesting Dems were involved, his base will swallow that hook, line and sinker. All Trump needs is plausible deniability. It certainly appears that there are reasons that the leaders of both parties don’t want the information released. Trump is acting guilty as hell. Time will tell. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 25 Posted July 25 2 hours ago, muppy said: what I mean by spin is the what about ism back in history and why not then and why now release Epstein tapes. all the political subterfuge and shenanigans. Noone wants to just spill the truth. Its frustrating why can't we deal with the issue at hand? Does that explain my position better? I'm a simple girl. There was a list. Now there is no list but maybe there's a List but OH WAIT lets see the grand jury BUT WAIT lets table it for months It stinks bro. none of it involves integrity honesty or transparency it stinkc. MAGA or otherwise . I want an answer and so do a lot of people for a lot of reasons. Im not afraid of the answers To use a phrase that lawyers would disagree with is those with nothing to hide hide nothing here comes the what about when Biden was president blah blah blah blah blah Many lawyers don’t care about “those with nothing to hide” and make a career out of winning as priority #1. It’s the reason attorneys suggest keeping your mouth shut and not cooperating as the best course of action. Anyway, thanks for chatting. ✌️
reddogblitz Posted July 25 Posted July 25 On 7/17/2025 at 6:21 PM, Big Blitz said: They’ll say….they’ll be doctored!!! They didn’t want them. They didn’t care about the Hunter Laptop from hell. They didn’t care about Dementia Joe. They care now. Brilliantly played I agree with you on all this. But how does this give any justification to what's going on NOW. I hate this new trend in the presidency where whenever something they do is questioned the response is, yeah my predecessor did stuff too. President Trump and the Republicans are doing it now and last 4 years was President Biden and the Democrats. Come on man, President Biden stunk and hid his dementia or whatever it is. He pardoned his son after he said he wouldn't. That was bad stuff. So why would any of that justify what President Trump does? Why would President Trump want to do anything like president did? If President Trump is your guy and you think he's right, justify his decisions on their merit, not how he compares to a very bad President. Can yo do that? 1 1
Big Blitz Posted July 25 Posted July 25 (edited) 23 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I agree with you on all this. But how does this give any justification to what's going on NOW. I hate this new trend in the presidency where whenever something they do is questioned the response is, yeah my predecessor did stuff too. President Trump and the Republicans are doing it now and last 4 years was President Biden and the Democrats. Come on man, President Biden stunk and hid his dementia or whatever it is. He pardoned his son after he said he wouldn't. That was bad stuff. So why would any of that justify what President Trump does? Why would President Trump want to do anything like president did? If President Trump is your guy and you think he's right, justify his decisions on their merit, not how he compares to a very bad President. Can yo do that? So its been a week since then and as things constantly evolve in our never ending DC soap control the narrative at all cost (Homeloser will be on here any minute for his nightly dump on the board) and my thinking on what’s going has has changed. The Epstein files were never going to amount to anything. Trump never promised them anyway. Team Trump didn’t just immediately release the Russia Gate info in direct response to that memo leak - it was planned for that week or sometime in the near future. So Democrats leaked this bogus Epstein info to distract from that and put Trump on defense because they know nothing is going to be released from the Epstein files so make it look like Trump is hiding something and use that to be their new line of attack. Trump protects pedos now! Oh yea he’s definitely on the list Biden could have released at any time. Yea? And? We already know all of what they are saying. This has amounted to guilt by association which is exactly what Trump was cautioning. It is pathetic and dumb. Remember Biden could have released or leaked more at any time. Regardless, Russia Gate is the epicenter of the deep state. Not Epstein. This is where MAGA influencers have been wrong. But they feel duped so I get it. And I think that’s what Team Trump kind of had to figure out knowing full well a small but very vocal part of the base thought we're going to get everything. We weren’t ever told that. The Dems and media that aided in Russia! are in total panic. I’ve never seen anything like it because this has never happened before. Our parties have spied on each other, set each other up - used the media to further the agendas. But Team Obama legit conspired to undermine Trump. They thought he was finished and had to finish him because they knew if Trump ever got back into power they would be exposed. Their relentless attacks on Trump after 2020 all make sense now. He had to never win and MAGA needed to be canceled because he could expose them. Prosecutions and subpoenas need to happen. Edited July 25 by Big Blitz 2 1
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