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8 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Two of the worst contracts in the NFL?

 

You’re one of those people, huh?

Realists? Who has a worse contract? Murphy was a product of PEDs and Star is one dimensional who is on the field less than 50% of the defensive snaps. 

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7 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Realists? Who has a worse contract? Murphy was a product of PEDs and Star is one dimensional who is on the field less than 50% of the defensive snaps. 

 

Murphy got less than $8M guaranteed at signing.  He's tied for 44th in terms of AAV for EDGE defenders.

 

If that is one of the worst contracts in the NFL, then every GM is an absolute financial wizard in every sense of the term.

 

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11 hours ago, Turk71 said:

 

I wanted them to get Jesse James, he avg over 14 yds/c last year and signed with Detroit for less than Kroft got. He has played in every game for the last 3 years.

   Instead they get the injured guy who caught 4 passes in 5 games last year. Brilliant!

   

 

It is very frustrating to hear that James got less money. I think James was a better option outright but factoring in health then it was a no brainer to just spend a little more on James (assuming you had to outspend the Lions a bit to make it happen) than go with an unknown and injury risk in Kroft. 

 

I think the Bills should just PUP Kroft and bring in Rudolph if it only costs them a 5thround pick, I would even consider Rudolph for a 4th. I think Rudolph can come in and give top 10 TE production for a fair price (and his contract wouldn’t be a hinderance to future free agency plans) at his age and injury history. You can then have Rudolph start, Lee Smith be the blocking tightend, Knox be a backup receiving TE, and have Sweeney, Croom, and the rest battle it out for the 4thspot until Kroft returns if he returns. 

 

I think if the Bills are serious about surrounding Josh Allen with talent then they should be aggressive in making sure there is a good receiving option at tightend esp if the cost to bring in a good one is fairly modest. Knox has potential but is raw, Kroft is hurt, Lee Smith is just a blocker, and Sweeny/Croom and the rest leave a lot to be desired. 

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Laura Kroft was a bad pu. Just begin trade talks with the Vikings.  Rudolph would be a huge upgrade over everyone else we have combined. Give them Lawson and a 5th? Any suggestions?

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14 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Laura Kroft was a bad pu. Just begin trade talks with the Vikings.  Rudolph would be a huge upgrade over everyone else we have combined. Give them Lawson and a 5th? Any suggestions?

 

The Vikings would be trading Rudolph to give them some cap relief. So they wouldn't want to take back a contract like Shaq who doesn't break the bank but would add salary. I also think that it would be foolish for the Bills to dump Shaq given the depth and quality at DE isn't great. Sure Shaq is kind of OK but he is still one of the top 3 DE's on the roster and Murphy one of the other top 3 is a big injury risk. 

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35 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Murphy got less than $8M guaranteed at signing.  He's tied for 44th in terms of AAV for EDGE defenders.

 

If that is one of the worst contracts in the NFL, then every GM is an absolute financial wizard in every sense of the term.

 

And he was ranked the 108th ranked EDGE defender on scout.com

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6 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

And he was ranked the 108th ranked EDGE defender on scout.com

 

And that somehow makes it one of the worst contracts in the NFL?  You're reaching.

 

His $7.8M in guarantees doesn't even come close to being as bad as the 2018 FA contracts of guys like Ryan Jensen, Blake Bortles, TJ Carrie, Case Keenum, or several others in that FA period alone.

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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yeah...and?  Beane wants to build his team, not continue Whaleys team.  

 

Are you saying it was wrong of him to get rid of a guy on a $100 million dollar contract who is only a one dimensional player?

 

Keep Watkins, pay him as a #1 WR who has averaged 30 catches and about 500 yards receiving in the last 3 years?  Who still has foot issues?   That’s what Beane should have done?

Im saying he didn't inherit a cap mess. He caused it and threw away 2018 season.  

Its just a fact. Was it right or wrong will be decided in next couple of years based on Allen's performance and the rebuilt oline

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18 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Im saying he didn't inherit a cap mess. He caused it and threw away 2018 season.  

Its just a fact. Was it right or wrong will be decided in next couple of years based on Allen's performance and the rebuilt oline

 

You're basically saying nothing at all. You're just blaming Beane for not keeping players around that they didn't want in the building. "He caused it" means zero, you're just parroting what other posters on this board with actual points to make have said. Beane got rid of players that weren't team-first players with bloated contracts and ate the cap hit for it. You're acting like he's the first GM to ever do that. 

 

Dareus since being traded - 2 sacks and 41 tackles in 1 2/3 seasons. Sammy hasn't broken 600 yds in a single season since leaving. What exactly is your point? That we took a knee on last year to reset the roster? How is this going to be proven "right or wrong?" Nonsensical ridiculousness like these posts are a waste of time. You have a non-opinion. 

 

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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yeah...and?  Beane wants to build his team, not continue Whaleys team.  

 

Are you saying it was wrong of him to get rid of a guy on a $100 million dollar contract who is only a one dimensional player?

 

Keep Watkins, pay him as a #1 WR who has averaged 30 catches and about 500 yards receiving in the last 3 years?  Who still has foot issues?   That’s what Beane should have done?

 

I like that reply.  Clean, concise and only one sentence long.

That being said, I don't think you will convince some people to believe that that is the basis of the process.

It's not about "a player" it's about "their player".

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1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

Realists? Who has a worse contract? Murphy was a product of PEDs and Star is one dimensional who is on the field less than 50% of the defensive snaps. 

no...no, no, no.  that's not who you or many other are, as much as you'd like to think that. 

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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

And that somehow makes it one of the worst contracts in the NFL?  You're reaching.

 

His $7.8M in guarantees doesn't even come close to being as bad as the 2018 FA contracts of guys like Ryan Jensen, Blake Bortles, TJ Carrie, Case Keenum, or several others in that FA period alone.

Bortles & Keenum were QBs that led teams to the conference championships the year before, Jensen & Carrie were fairly solid given their positions, you are just naming names. Murphy was outperformed by several undrafted rookies 

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5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

We haven't been in cap hell for the last 20 years.  Not even close to it. 

 

All of them huh?  

 

John Dorsey took over the Browns in December of 2017 and for the 2018 offseason....drum roll please....$110 million in cap space.  

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/24/17049398/cleveland-browns-set-to-have-about-110-64-million-in-cap-space

There are several more GM's that didn't inherit cap hell.

 

The first year Beane took over, we had $50 million in dead cap.  Now that we had cap space this year, we signed over a dozen free agents.  

Dorsey took over the Bills?

5 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

"Excuses" is usually code for "I am unhappy but too lazy to think" 

And name calling is usually code for "I don't have a real argument so I'll damn the messenger."

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...probably missed it, but wasn't he out last year with a broken foot?...if so, same one?..............

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18 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Bortles & Keenum were QBs that led teams to the conference championships the year before, Jensen & Carrie were fairly solid given their positions, you are just naming names. Murphy was outperformed by several undrafted rookies 

 

So let me get this straight: Trent Murphy's $7.8M in guaranteed money over 3 years is a worst contract than...

 

Blake Bortles getting $26.5M in guarantees and getting benched for Cody Kessler;

Case Keenum getting $25M in guarantees, going 6-10 as a starter, throwing 18 TDs:15 INTs, and getting traded for a 6th round pick in 2020;

Ryan Jensen getting $22M in guarantees and drawing a lower overall grade than Russell Bodine, who got a contract with a total value of 16% of Jensen's guaranteed money;

TJ Carrie getting $15.5M in guarantees and total AAV that ranked in the top 20, and getting replaced as a starter halfway through the season;

 

That's your case? Well, it's a terrible case that I'm pretty sure even you know is massive hyperbole at this point, but go right ahead if you feel that you need to die on this hill.

 

I mean, if being outperformed by an UDFA is the criteria for worst contract in the NFL, then what about the following guys that were outperformed by Robert Foster?

 

Pierre Garcon

Greg Olsen

DeVante Parker

Marquise Goodwin

Cordarelle Patterson

 

Where's the intellectual consistency?

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45 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

You're basically saying nothing at all. You're just blaming Beane for not keeping players around that they didn't want in the building. "He caused it" means zero, you're just parroting what other posters on this board with actual points to make have said. Beane got rid of players that weren't team-first players with bloated contracts and ate the cap hit for it. You're acting like he's the first GM to ever do that. 

 

Dareus since being traded - 2 sacks and 41 tackles in 1 2/3 seasons. Sammy hasn't broken 600 yds in a single season since leaving. What exactly is your point? That we took a knee on last year to reset the roster? How is this going to be proven "right or wrong?" Nonsensical ridiculousness like these posts are a waste of time. You have a non-opinion. 

 

You are correct I have a non-opinon. That is why it is called facts.

You are completely missing the point. I agree Beane's decisions are reasonable decisions that other GMs make. You can argue their merit, but I've moved on from that.

But you can not say Beane inherited the dead cap money. It's just not true no matter how hard you want to believe it.  

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6 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

If we don't see him coming back for next year - his contract is easy to get out of next year.  This is good news for guys like dimarco, croom, sweeney, and fisher.  With Smith and knox likely already penciled in on the roster pending trades/cuts.

 

If knox/smith show up and are solid - he can be cut next year very easily.  If not, we have him as an option next year to compete.

 

Do we know the timeline on the injury?

 

Well, we put ourselves there by eating a ton of dead cap the last 2 years.  But most GM's who came in were unwilling to do that so they'd just compound the issue by pushing deals out.  A rebuild starts with a tear down usually.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/pages/2001-salary-cap-prison

"Donahoe inherited a team $5M over the salary cap and major changes were needed." Beane's team was not over the Cap.

 

 

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...probably missed it, but wasn't he out last year with a broken foot?...if so, same one?..............

Yes and yes.

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2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Murphy got less than $8M guaranteed at signing.  He's tied for 44th in terms of AAV for EDGE defenders.

 

If that is one of the worst contracts in the NFL, then every GM is an absolute financial wizard in every sense of the term.

 

He's a bum. He should be paid 65th. LMAO. Even I laughed at this reply. But so what. He's a bum. He's a backup.

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1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

He's a bum. He should be paid 65th. LMAO. Even I laughed at this reply. But so what. He's a bum. He's a backup.

 

Well, he's unlikely to be a backup for this team.  And the point was simply that the other poster's statement was massively hyperbolic.

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