BillsFan4 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, JohnC said: If the GM took the risk of losing Jokiharju by sending him to Rochester and another team claimed him Botts would certainly look foolish after trading Nylander for him and then ending up with anything. Sending Nelson down, even if he outplayed Joki, is understandable because Joki has more upside as a player. Nelson is a solid and steady stay at home defenseman. He is a good depth blue liner who when called up will be ready to fill in. Jokiharju has 2 more seasons or 120+ NHL games played before he’s no longer waiver exempt. I just hope Joker has showed a lot more in training camp (that we didn’t see) than in the preseason games and that it’s not Botterill somewhat forcing Joker into the lineup for the wrong reasons. I’m more than willing to give Joker a chance. I like him a lot and He’s got a lot higher ceiling than Nelson does. I just don’t like gifting roster spots to kids that didn’t earn them (not saying that’s the case since I don’t know what happened day to day in camp). I just hope he’s not kept in the press press box instead of playing big minutes in Rochester. Edited October 1, 2019 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: How many sports do they cover well? I'm assuming top 4 but what about boxing, horse racing, college football and baseball? They cover everything well except horse racing. With horse racing, it's only the major events of the sport. Since it's the only part of the sport I follow, that suffices for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: How many sports do they cover well? I'm assuming top 4 but what about boxing, horse racing, college football and baseball? I think the Saturday Evening Post is the best one for those four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 The attached link is an article by Mike Harrington from the BN. It sorts out the roster pointing out that there still could be some alterations. Harrington points out the Okposo albatross and Cozen's immediate production for his junior team. He states what he believes are going to be the top two lines. https://buffalonews.com/2019/09/30/buffalo-sabres-nhl-roster-rochester-americans-news-2019/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Sobotka on the second line. God help us all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnC said: The attached link is an article by Mike Harrington from the BN. It sorts out the roster pointing out that there still could be some alterations. Harrington points out the Okposo albatross and Cozen's immediate production for his junior team. He states what he believes are going to be the top two lines. https://buffalonews.com/2019/09/30/buffalo-sabres-nhl-roster-rochester-americans-news-2019/ Oh my, that second line is "innovative"... I would have thought maybe they move Reinhart down to the second line (I would have been torn on that decision), not Skinner. And maybe I can see a guy "like" Sobotka on that second line wing, but not Sobotka. If it goes well, I'll be happy to be wrong (my usual condition ). Based on the last few days of practice, the top two lines seem set with Jack Eichel between Victor Olofsson and Sam Reinhart, and Marcus Johansson centering Jeff Skinner and Vladimir Sobotka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 Speedy recovery to Don! everyone cleared waivers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Speedy recovery to Don! everyone cleared waivers. I was a bit worried about Lazar and Nelson, glad they cleared. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: I was a bit worried about Lazar and Nelson, glad they cleared. I thought Winnipeg might grab Nelson just because of how decimated their right hand defensive depth was from losing 4 guys this offseason. But for some reason they grabbed Carl Dahlstrom off waivers from Chicago. He’s a left handed defenseman and he’s not good. I thought Winnipeg was in a lot better shape on the left side, but I’m thinking maybe they will use this claim to replace their current #7 defenseman Anthony Bitetto? I’m surprised at some of the player who went unclaimed. Only 2 players total were claimed - Dahlstrom and Eric Comrie (a goalie who really hasn’t looked very good outside of one pretty good season in the AHL). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 oh my, Freddy makes this work hes either coach of the year or Housley may cement himself as worst coach ever in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Man, the Amerks look like a loaded and deep team this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 The below link is seven minute segment with Ralph Krueger at the podium answering questions about the roster. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/10-1-ralph-krueger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: oh my, Freddy makes this work hes either coach of the year or Housley may cement himself as worst coach ever in the NHL. Why do those forward lines look so ugly to me? There's no hope in those lines at all. And 5/6 D pairing could be horrible, too! I don't think that roster is ready to compete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, snafu said: Why do those forward lines look so ugly to me? There's no hope in those lines at all. And 5/6 D pairing could be horrible, too! I don't think that roster is ready to compete. Any D pairing with Scandella looks terrible, but him and Joker together? God help us all. Again. Edited October 1, 2019 by K-9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Any D pairing with Scandella looks terrible, but him and Joker together? God help us all. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 I am guessing that this is just a paper transaction to maximize their LTIR + cap space for this season. If it’s not, I’m done. ? Nah, it has to be. There’s no way Olofsson didn’t make the team. And Krueger said in that interview John posted that the lineup on the ice was going to Pittsburgh and that included Olofsson playing on the top line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 This is awesome. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, snafu said: Why do those forward lines look so ugly to me? There's no hope in those lines at all. And 5/6 D pairing could be horrible, too! I don't think that roster is ready to compete. On a positive note, Botts got in a lot of golf this Summer during all the time he was ignoring the roster. Edited October 2, 2019 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I am guessing that this is just a paper transaction to maximize their LTIR + cap space for this season. If it’s not, I’m done. ? Nah, it has to be. There’s no way Olofsson didn’t make the team. And Krueger said in that interview John posted that the lineup on the ice was going to Pittsburgh and that included Olofsson playing on the top line. can you go into more detail? I am lost. I get the LTIR for Hunwick, possibly Bogo...but why two guys assignedd to Rochester who should be playing? Are we in daily caphellbeforee the season even starts with a team that is projected to finish bottom 5 in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 40 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: This is awesome. Class personified. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: can you go into more detail? I am lost. I get the LTIR for Hunwick, possibly Bogo...but why two guys assignedd to Rochester who should be playing? Are we in daily caphellbeforee the season even starts with a team that is projected to finish bottom 5 in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: No panic here. They were temporarily assigned to the A so that JBotts could maximize cap space as it relates to LTIR designations like Hunwick and possible Bogo. They can both be recalled tomorrow. Olafsson will be skating on a line with Jack and Samson on Thursday night. And it looks like Jokiharu will be on the third D pair at the moment. With Scandella! Be afraid. Very afraid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: can you go into more detail? I am lost. I get the LTIR for Hunwick, possibly Bogo...but why two guys assignedd to Rochester who should be playing? Are we in daily caphellbeforee the season even starts with a team that is projected to finish bottom 5 in the league? Long story short, they need to be below the cap before they can LTIR Hunwick. If you're $1 million below the cap when you place a $5 million guy on LTIR, you are allowed to exceed the cap by $4 million. So you want to be as close to the cap as possible when you place a guy on LTIR in order to maximize your allowance. Honestly, I'm surprised they even put out the public announcement of the moves. It only serves to confuse. Edited October 2, 2019 by shrader 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 37 minutes ago, shrader said: Honestly, I'm surprised they even put out the public announcement of the moves. It only serves to confuse. Probably because if they didn't there would be leaks and create even more confusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, eball said: Probably because if they didn't there would be leaks and create even more confusion. What is there to leak though, especially since it all happens over one day? Someone from the team is not going to leak out these roster moves, making people think Olofsson didn't make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, shrader said: What is there to leak though, especially since it all happens over one day? Someone from the team is not going to leak out these roster moves, making people think Olofsson didn't make the team. By releasing the moves publicly those "in the know" can explain the real purpose and intent. Anyway, not a huge deal regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) The below link is a Paul Hamilton column for WGR about Scandella. In my view he is a third pairing type of defenseman who plays on the third pairing. I don't understand why he receives so much scorn. In the column Paul H lists the lines and defense pairings. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/sabres-scandella-looking-rebound The below link is Paul Hamilton on WGR talking about the team to Howard Simon. It is a ten minute segment https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/10-02-paul-hamilton-howard-and-sal Edited October 2, 2019 by JohnC additions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 The below link is a 15 minute interview of Ralph Krueger on WGR. He is terrific to listen to. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/krueger-were-sure-not-going-lack-effort 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnC said: The below link is a Paul Hamilton column for WGR about Scandella. In my view he is a third pairing type of defenseman who plays on the third pairing. I don't understand why he receives so much scorn. In the column Paul H lists the lines and defense pairings. https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/sabres-scandella-looking-rebound The below link is Paul Hamilton on WGR talking about the team to Howard Simon. It is a ten minute segment https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/10-02-paul-hamilton-howard-and-sal Really? He’s good for at least two gorgeous, tape to tape passes to the opposition a game in his own D zone. That, and he can’t anticipate worth a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, K-9 said: Really? He’s good for at least two gorgeous, tape to tape passes to the opposition a game in his own D zone. That, and he can’t anticipate worth a damn. He's a third line defenseman who plays at a third line level. He makes mistakes as do a lot of other players (not only defensemen) in their defensive responsibilities. Risto who is more talented makes a lot more mental mistakes than does Scandella, the lesser talent. Scandella is essentially an inconsequential player who doesn't play significant minutes and has little bearing on the fortunes of the team. In my view he is targeted for criticism more than he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, JohnC said: He's a third line defenseman who plays at a third line level. He makes mistakes as do a lot of other players (not only defensemen) in their defensive responsibilities. Risto who is more talented makes a lot more mental mistakes than does Scandella, the lesser talent. Scandella is essentially an inconsequential player who doesn't play significant minutes and has little bearing on the fortunes of the team. In my view he is targeted for criticism more than he deserves. I agree Scandella is a inconsequential player. Which is why he should be up in the press box as the 7th D man. Risto, for all his mental lapses, is a pain in the ass to play against. If I could say the same thing about Scandella, I wouldn’t be opposed to him being in the top 6. But I can’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: I agree Scandella is a inconsequential player. Which is why he should be up in the press box as the 7th D man. Risto, for all his mental lapses, is a pain in the ass to play against. If I could say the same thing about Scandella, I wouldn’t be opposed to him being in the top 6. But I can’t. Because Scandella is easily replaceable is a reason why I am not as concerned about him. He doesn't have the more important role that Risto has. That's why Risto is in my view a second pairing (not first pairing) defenseman. There is no question that Risto is a banger on a unit that lacks hitters. He and McCabe are the only muscle/physical defenseman on the unit. (Bogo is hurt so I won't put him in that category.) Although Risto is a physical player I wouldn't be surprised that his tenure on this team is not for the long haul. He repeatedly makes glaring mistakes that get converted into goals. I don't get the sense that Krueger is the type of coach that is going to tolerate mistake prone play, even from one of the few physical players on the unit. I'm not singling Risto out for criticism because I don't like him. I would love to see him coached up and play smarter. It is his lack of intelligent play and not his physical talent that makes him a lesser player than he should be. I expect this season that his minutes will decline and his role will be simplified. Maybe that will restore his game where it should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, JohnC said: Because Scandella is easily replaceable is a reason why I am not as concerned about him. He doesn't have the more important role that Risto has. That's why Risto is in my view a second pairing (not first pairing) defenseman. There is no question that Risto is a banger on a unit that lacks hitters. He and McCabe are the only muscle/physical defenseman on the unit. (Bogo is hurt so I won't put him in that category.) Although Risto is a physical player I wouldn't be surprised that his tenure on this team is not for the long haul. He repeatedly makes glaring mistakes that get converted into goals. I don't get the sense that Krueger is the type of coach that is going to tolerate mistake prone play, even from one of the few physical players on the unit. I'm not singling Risto out for criticism because I don't like him. I would love to see him coached up and play smarter. It is his lack of intelligent play and not his physical talent that makes him a lesser player than he should be. I expect this season that his minutes will decline and his role will be simplified. Maybe that will restore his game where it should be? Well, if Scandella is easily replaceable, and I agree entirely that he is, that’s all the more reason for him to be the 7th D man. And perhaps he will be once Montour and Pilut return. I hope a reduction in minutes and subsequent less reliance on Risto along with exposure to new coaching and philosophies will result in better play as well. I kind of doubt it though. Yeah, he’s still a young player, but imo, he’s fully baked at this point. But he’s still a major pain in the ass to play against and that counts for something in my book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, K-9 said: Well, if Scandella is easily replaceable, and I agree entirely that he is, that’s all the more reason for him to be the 7th D man. And perhaps he will be once Montour and Pilut return. I hope a reduction in minutes and subsequent less reliance on Risto along with exposure to new coaching and philosophies will result in better play as well. I kind of doubt it though. Yeah, he’s still a young player, but imo, he’s fully baked at this point. But he’s still a major pain in the ass to play against and that counts for something in my book. There is no way if Montour is healthy that Scandella dresses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 This young lady is going to be a hockey dynamo in the not too distant future. https://www.nhl.com/news/pk-subban-shouts-out-minnesota-girl-who-goes-viral-for-hockey-skills/c-309330758?tid=281396148 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 hours ago, JohnC said: This young lady is going to be a hockey dynamo in the not too distant future. https://www.nhl.com/news/pk-subban-shouts-out-minnesota-girl-who-goes-viral-for-hockey-skills/c-309330758?tid=281396148 I heard she challenged Mittlestadt to a pull-up contest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Leafs are 1-0 in case you were wondering! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 I think some of the hate for Scandella comes from his $4M cap hit. If he was being paid the $1-2M that bottom pair defenseman make I’m sure people would complain less. Also, he was traded for to be more than a bottom pairing defenseman for us. I think most were hoping for a top 4 guy. Its also worth noting that Marcus Foligno is a hometown kid and was a big fan favorite with many, so maybe some hold that against him or wish the Sabres had foligno back? I don’t know. I am not too worried about him in a bottom pairing role for now. He’s off the books after this year and it’ll give some of the kids more time to develop. I just hope he doesn’t keep Pilut off the ice once he’s back unless he’s legitimately earning his playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I think some of the hate for Scandella comes from his $4M cap hit. If he was being paid the $1-2M that bottom pair defenseman make I’m sure people would complain less. Also, he was traded for to be more than a bottom pairing defenseman for us. I think most were hoping for a top 4 guy. Its also worth noting that Marcus Foligno is a hometown kid and was a big fan favorite with many, so maybe some hold that against him or wish the Sabres had foligno back? I don’t know. I am not too worried about him in a bottom pairing role for now. He’s off the books after this year and it’ll give some of the kids more time to develop. I just hope he doesn’t keep Pilut off the ice once he’s back unless he’s legitimately earning his playing time. I wouldn’t complain about a 3 dollar beer, but charge me 12 dollars for the same beer and yeah, I expect a little more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I think some of the hate for Scandella comes from his $4M cap hit. If he was being paid the $1-2M that bottom pair defenseman make I’m sure people would complain less. Also, he was traded for to be more than a bottom pairing defenseman for us. I think most were hoping for a top 4 guy. Its also worth noting that Marcus Foligno is a hometown kid and was a big fan favorite with many, so maybe some hold that against him or wish the Sabres had foligno back? I don’t know. I am not too worried about him in a bottom pairing role for now. He’s off the books after this year and it’ll give some of the kids more time to develop. I just hope he doesn’t keep Pilut off the ice once he’s back unless he’s legitimately earning his playing time. I appreciate where you’re coming from here, BF4, but rest assured that my assessment of Scandella comes from one place and one place only; his utter suckitude on the ice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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