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Matt Miller: 2020 draft set to have a "historic group" at WR, RB

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3 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

The preparation of this front office is unique. The wins will come and they will be sustained.

They went backwards this year.  The wins need to start this year.  

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5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

They went backwards this year.  The wins need to start this year.  

Yeah, unfortunately, folks are already lowering the bar for this year, saying they would be OK with 8-8 or 9-7--in other words, the same as under Rex--and that McDermott is pretty much guaranteed another year unless they go 2-14.  

 

I could not disagree more.  I think this year they need to (1) make the playoffs, and (2) win at least one game vs. NE or their seats are going to be extremely warm.  I do think Beane is on a longer leash than McDermott.   

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24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Could have also drafted Pat Mahomes, JuJu, and not had to trade any draft picks either.  I’d say we could have still drafted Oliver but we probably won’t have had a shot. 

 

These classes change all the time. Guys emerge, some guys don’t progress, guys get Hirt, some don’t come out.  Again, it’s fluid.  

Love the first 2 picks but the rb and TE were hardly slam dunk picks.  IMO, a guy like Butler helps this team more than a rb (we have 4 now) and a TE who hasn’t caught a td.

Didn't he have trouble with drops? And did he not do the 3 cone and shuttle drill? Also we have 9 RBs at the moment though if we just go with the top 4 Shady, Gore, Yeldon, and Singletary 2 of them are old enough that who knows if either of them will be here next year.

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8 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Not really a strategy. The 2020 draft is a year away. 

...but, but isn't the upcoming class always better than the last one?......probably why MM calls it the "way too early mock"......besides McBeane (oops...sorry eball..)already has plenty of time invested in 2020 analysis....

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3 minutes ago, mannc said:

Yeah, unfortunately, folks are already lowering the bar for this year, saying they would be OK with 8-8 or 9-7--in other words, the same as under Rex--and that McDermott is pretty much guaranteed another year unless they go 2-14.  

 

I could not disagree more.  I think this year they need to (1) make the playoffs, and (2) win at least one game vs. NE or their seats are going to be extremely warm.  I do think Beane is on a longer leash than McDermott.   

I agree but do you think Beane could really fire McDermott after he was hired after him?  That would be super awkward.

 

i really like what this regime has done on defensive but it gets way too much of a pass.  Our offense has been terrible for two years.  Obviously I want the playoffs but they need to see progression in Allen and the offense.  If it is still not good, changes need to be made.

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Didn't he have trouble with drops? And did he not do the 3 cone and shuttle drill? Also we have 9 RBs at the moment though if we just go with the top 4 Shady, Gore, Yeldon, and Singletary 2 of them are old enough that who knows if either of them will be here next year.

I just like the analogy that a receiving core should be like a basketball team.  We have the other guys but we really need a c/ PF type.  Young qbs need a big guy to just throw the ball up to.  

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3 hours ago, Logic said:

Wide receiver is loaded with maybe the best prospect I've ever evaluated (Jerry Jeudy) as well as household names like Tee Higgins, Laviska Shenault, CeeDee Lamb and Donovan Peoples-Jones. 

 

Also an historic collection of sweet football names at the WR position. 

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6 minutes ago, mannc said:

Yeah, unfortunately, folks are already lowering the bar for this year, saying they would be OK with 8-8 or 9-7--in other words, the same as under Rex--and that McDermott is pretty much guaranteed another year unless they go 2-14.  

 

I could not disagree more.  I think this year they need to (1) make the playoffs, and (2) win at least one game vs. NE or their seats are going to be extremely warm.  I do think Beane is on a longer leash than McDermott.   

 

You're missing the difference between what will happen and what you think should happen.  In the event they go 8-8 or 9-7, neither will be fired.  I think they shouldn't but reasonable minds can disagree. Your opinion on what you think should happen is an outlier, and certainly not representative of what will likely happen. 

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Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

You're missing the difference between what will happen and what you think should happen.  In the event they go 8-8 or 9-7, neither will be fired.  I think they shouldn't but reasonable minds can disagree. Your opinion on what you think should happen is an outlier, and certainly not representative of what will likely happen. 

If they have a 2014 8-8 or 7-9 and Allen doesn’t show progress, changes could be made.  

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Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

If they have a 2014 8-8 or 7-9 and Allen doesn’t show progress, changes could be made.  

 

They could, and who knows maybe they would Fire Daboll.  But that would be the extent of it.  Beane and McDermott have impressed me, and they have definitely impressed the Pegulas and people around the league.  They are definitely not getting fired for a middling outcome. 

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Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

They could, and who knows maybe they would Fire Daboll.  But that would be the extent of it.  Beane and McDermott have impressed me, and they have definitely impressed the Pegulas and people around the league.  They are definitely not getting fired for a middling outcome. 

2 OCs in 3 years would be a very bad look.  But a long way to go for that I guess. 

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

2 OCs in 3 years would be a very bad look.  But a long way to go for that I guess. 

 

I think they really like Daboll.  I really think things would really have to fall apart for them to start firing people. 

 

However, firings are usually contexual.  If the offense is the problem, maybe it will be Daboll.  If its the defense, maybe Frazier.  

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Context is important.  What is Suh signs for P*ts and and on broken play in preseason stamps all over Allen?  Doesn't that change expectations?

 

Making declarations on what should happen if expectations are met before even roster is established is silly.

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Every year is a historic year or the deepest draft for X position. 

 

Someday will come the most historic and deepest draft for punters

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I love talking NFL draft 11 months early

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3 hours ago, Logic said:


People always overlook "rosterability" when talking about drafting players.

You should draft players that you think will actually make the roster. 

As I mentioned above, with four WR spots probably already taken and with Andre Roberts likely to take the 6th spot as a return specialist, it leaves probably ONE spot open. The Bills ALREADY have Ian McKenzie (former 5th round pick, has gadget versatility, and who the staff clearly likes) and Duke Williams (CFL's leading WR last year) vying for that spot. What are the odds that a 4th or 5th round WR would have beaten out these two guys? Last year, the Bills drafted two WRs just because they needed them: Ray Ray McCloud and Austin Proehl. How did that work out? 

You have to draft roster-able guys.

 

 

It's a wonder people don't understand this. Beane even talked about this very thought process in one the interviews leading up to the draft.

 

 

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2 hours ago, billspro said:

 

The preparation of this front office is unique. The wins will come and they will be sustained.

I think it's also great that they are taking care of the trenches and TE first.

 

Your skill players all look better with good blocking. It generally doesn't work the other way around. 

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Who’s gonna be available around 32?

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2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

You're missing the difference between what will happen and what you think should happen.  In the event they go 8-8 or 9-7, neither will be fired.  I think they shouldn't but reasonable minds can disagree. Your opinion on what you think should happen is an outlier, and certainly not representative of what will likely happen. 

You're right.  I'm talking about what should happen, not necessarily what will happen.  I don't think anyone here knows for sure what the Pegulas will do, and of course there are a ton of variables other than the record that can and will determine how safe McDermott is.  I can foresee circumstances in which the team goes 8-8 and he's entirely safe and I can foresee circumstances where 9-7 lands him in the hot seat.  Getting badly outcoached by Belichick two more times would be a huge concern, no matter what the record is (short of winning 12 or 13 games, of course).  I don't think my opinion is really much of an outlier, but I don't particularly care one way or the other.😁    

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4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This is crazy but you could have drafted a receiver this year and you could draft one next year!!! 🤯

 

and these things are so fluid.  2017 was supposedly a bad qb class and 2018 was a great one.  Well possibly the 2 best qbs were in the 2017 class. 

Sure you could

 

but.....in this draft it seemed that the strong positions were DL and TE?   We heard that a lot?

 

and who did we take.....we even doubled down on TE's

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2 hours ago, mannc said:

Yeah, unfortunately, folks are already lowering the bar for this year, saying they would be OK with 8-8 or 9-7--in other words, the same as under Rex--and that McDermott is pretty much guaranteed another year unless they go 2-14.  

 

I could not disagree more.  I think this year they need to (1) make the playoffs, and (2) win at least one game vs. NE or their seats are going to be extremely warm.  I do think Beane is on a longer leash than McDermott.   

 

The only way the seats get warm is if the team totally collapses and Allen takes a step back. McDermott just needs to be anti rex and he gets the full 5 years.

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4 hours ago, Logic said:

 The Bills ALREADY have Ian McKenzie (former 5th round pick, has gadget versatility, and who the staff clearly likes) and Duke Williams (CFL's leading WR last year) vying for that spot. What are the odds that a 4th or 5th round WR would have beaten out these two guys? Last year, the Bills drafted two WRs just because they needed them: Ray Ray McCloud and Austin Proehl. How did that work out? 
 

I would say the odds of a 4th/5th RD receiver beating out Duke Williams and McKitrick would be great if they were good.

 

Proehl and Ray Ray were just bad picks; period. The regime has yet to prove they can properly assess or develop receivers. They've done many things well, but the receiver position has not been one. I love Beasley so I'm pretty confident he'll work out. Foster looks like a guy who will be a vertical threat AT THE LEAST. Other than that, who knows?

 

Overall, it's great that they have a plan, but I think the plan needs to include winning football games starting now. That will be the ultimate measure of their success.

 

 

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Buffalo has to draft D'andre Swift next year.  It's too perfect.  The fastest running back in the draft is named "Swift."  It would be like drafting a receiver name "Catch"  or of an offensive guard named Dozer.

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No TE on this list? Albert Okwuegbunam from Missouri is going to be a top 10 player next year. Learn to pronounce his name.

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4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

I just like the analogy that a receiving core should be like a basketball team.  We have the other guys but we really need a c/ PF type.  Young qbs need a big guy to just throw the ball up to.  

I guess Duke Williams isn’t getting a chance to compete for a job? We also have a 6’6” tight end and drafted a 6’4” target for Allen. I guess they don’t count either? It’s like you haven’t watched Gronk destroy this team for years. The patriots didn’t have a tall wide receiver, just guys that can create separation and space. The chiefs are built on speed not height. Bring in guys that can get open so our Qb doesn’t need to make a perfect pass every time, that’s how you really help him. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

They went backwards this year.  The wins need to start this year.  

 

I don’t think anyone will argue with that. I feel confident they will win this year. 

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