OCinBuffalo Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) Why 2005? Last time the media's confidence/approval/whatever was >=50%: 2005. For many here, 2005 was like a lifetime ago. It was for me anyhow. It's only 13 years, but literally everything has changed, for me anyway. I believe we were talking Iraq war, and the Surge and stuff like that back then. But, maybe there was other stuff too. Certainly Asian Carp/Great Lakes was on the agenda. The media's rating is someplace around 32% as I write this...clearly something/many things have changed. What has changed for you, if anything, in terms of your views on the media? Think a little, please, what were you thinking about then, and how much did the media inform those thoughts vs how much your own work did? Now, how much does the media inform you vs how much research do you do yourself/live TV(or unfiltered clips on the internet) do you watch? Same/less/more? And, why do you think they've lost 18 points? What can be realistically done about this? Edited April 28, 2019 by OCinBuffalo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Once upon a time the media consisted of entertainment, advertising, news, and opinion. Today they have all been melded into a single entity. Modern media is one giant commercial for the DNC 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 The media's confidence/approval rating is 32%? Well, that is probably about the percentage of people that consider themselves Democrats these days, so seems legit. Still, I'd love to see this rating again now, and then again at the end of the summer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 It goes way further back than 2005. I’m old now and as I look back I realize this has been going on as long as I’ve been alive. Here’s what I was taught: Kennedy was Camelot Nixon was a crook Carter had a big heart Reagon was senile Ford was accident prone Clinton was cool and the first black president Bush was a moron Obama was the savior and without sin Trump is an idiot See a pattern here? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 I think that I have a little more faith in the average American than many here. Most folks know (now) of the overwhelming bias of the media and their predictable slant, dutifully inserted into every story regardless of the topic. They know that, depending upon the source, right or left, there will need to be an interpretation of the story. The best way being reading multiple accounts of whatever "news" is being covered. So, to answer OC's question, why has the media "approval" dropped over the last 15 years so steadily ? The one thing that I know it isn't, is the "fake news" chants of the past 3 years. They are a result of the media's failure to do their job, not the cause. As SoCal just said, the liberal bias has been with us for some time. However it certainly has been more and more prominent, as in a post Watergate world all of our journalism schools churn out "reporters" who don't want to report, but to promote "social change" To me personally, there are two reasons for the steady decrease. With the rise of "social media it is easier to (quickly) see and correct the stories that are being fed to a hungry public. The first is the taking someone's quote out of context, to meet the liberal narrative that must be maintained. The most obvious nowadays is "Charlotteville Hoax" where President Trump is supposed to have called the small group of neo-nazis there "fine people". Any honest reading of his ENTIRE quote shows that this is not the case, but that falsehood has already been cemented into many in the public. The other is, that also with the rise of alternative media reporting, it is so much easier to see how the "mainstream media" attempts to influence the country with their obvious choice of what stories to cover and magnify. Some stories are either ignored completely or buried on page 18, or beneath a misleading headline. Those are the two things that insult my intelligence and I presume others as well. . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 The medias role since Clinton 1st ran has clearly become one of being more activist than journalist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It goes way further back than 2005. I’m old now and as I look back I realize this has been going on as long as I’ve been alive. Here’s what I was taught: Kennedy was Camelot Nixon was a crook Carter had a big heart Reagon was senile Ford was accident prone Clinton was cool and the first black president Bush was a moron Obama was the savior and without sin Trump is an idiot See a pattern here? “Who are 9 people who have never been in my kitchen?” Edited April 28, 2019 by Kevbeau 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 The turning point was the creation of CNN and the realization that news could be a major profit center. That was the end of journalistic integrity. As I say to people all the time, when I was a kid there was 22 minutes worth of news per day, and it was covered in 22 minutes on TV at 6:30pm. There is still 22 minutes worth of news per day....and it is covered 24x7x365. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 In 2005 I knew they were commies. In 2019 I can see that they are commies. I've learned nothing. Neither have they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 hours ago, /dev/null said: Once upon a time the media consisted of entertainment, advertising, news, and opinion. Today they have all been melded into a single entity. Modern media is one giant commercial for the DNC I don't buy the whole DNC controls the mass media because that's too hard to cordinate. Journalists and broadcasters are center left given their background and most can't leave their objectivity at the door. That's why there's been a liberal bias about the news pry since the Kennedy/Nixon debate. A two minute segment on what's happening on your local news may be the most objective reporting you can find. Cable news - ratings race to the bottom by who best feeds your cognitive bias and they to The more conspiracy prone (Hannity, Maddow) the better. CNN at the town Hall last week it was described how they picked the questions the audience members gave that would elicit the most shock from the audience (Boston City bomber) for RATINGS. Fear and culture wars (War on Christmas) are injected to fuel ratings for profit while all it does is divides Americans even further. Russiagate was a big winner for them and many took avantage of it through higher ratings and nobody's jumped on the train to get rich off book deals. Social media - people will only read news that feed their cognitive bias. Same goes with news websites from Vox to Breitbart. Not having to actually debate issues face to face makes it easier to give your true opinion mostly anonymously behind a computer. Print journalism - journalistic practices have declined because it's a race towards who's first to break a story rather than making sure they get the story right. Having to compete with all the new online news outlets only make it worse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 My first years of interest was the Reagan Admin for which media discussions were civil and the Reagan people were accomplished and educated in their area of concern disagreement abounded but there was some dignity then Clinton unleashed that lying sack of trailer trash named Carville as his mouthpiece and in three seconds it was the eternal death of any civil discussion or attempt to find truth or middle ground The hilarious part is the Clintons to this day whine more about the networks and NYT being grossly biased against them than Trump does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I don't buy the whole DNC controls the mass media because that's too hard to cordinate. The bulk of your comments is exactly where I was until 2016. I am pretty sure I've written almost verbatim what you wrote above multiple times during the W years down here. I highlight the above snippet because I agree "the media" is impossible to control for one party... but the uniparty? Now you are getting somewhere. It's a mistake to think the media is solely a left leaning monolith. The reality is that it serves the interest of the uniparty and IC above the DNC or left. In today's environment that's easy enough to conflate or miss, but the W years make this clear if you compare it to the Trump years. In the W years there was a clear "bias" against Bush in the MSM, the same sort of complaints you'd find in the Reagan years or HW years -- but it was always balanced out (somewhat) by a large and popular segment of papers and TV channels which provided an alternative view. In the Trump years, those same papers and channels and journalists which strove for balance have been aligned in lockstep with their former "opponents" in the ratings chase. That's not because those sources which once supported W suddenly changed their politics, it's because those sources were always supporting the uniparty -- which crosses the aisle and was represented by Clinton and Bush both. Trump, however, is a threat to them directly which is why both sides have been loudly anti-Trump since it became clear he'd be the nominee. The effort to control the media has been at the heart of the Intelligence community's goals since their inception in the late 40s. We've seen this through various programs such as Mockingbird and Ultra -- real programs which have been the subject of congressional committee hearings and have hundreds/thousands of pages of supporting evidence which outlines not only their reality, but their successes. That's not to say everything is controlled, it's not. But you don't need to control the entire apparatus to be able to steer the national conversation, you only need to control certain chokepoints. The goal isn't to control every single media outlet or journalist. The goal is to sow enough disinformation everywhere so that real truth which inevitably gets reported (sometimes by accident) gets washed away by all the other noise. A select number of journalists (over 300 per the Church Committee) are in reality intelligence agents/assets (sometimes officers) whose loyalty lies to the IC rather than their audience or editors. That number today is probably much larger, but the methods and goals remain the same: control the narrative>>>control the masses. That was the reality of the media landscape even before social media and cable news really existed. Social media and "citizen journalists" have caused some problems for this control system, but they've worked to combat their effectiveness through censorship and stoking the fears of the mob to silence their critics. We know, for example, that the following journalists are in fact heavily compromised by their uniparty/IC ties: * Jake Tapper * Anderson Cooper * Ken Dilanian * Devlin Barret * David Corn * Michael Isikoff * Mika Brzezinski Then there's the executive level connections to the IC and former administrations: * Ben Sherwood, former head of ABC news (married to Obama NSC member) * David Rhodes, head of CBS news (brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama advisor) * Laura Jarrett, CNN reporter (daughter of Obama's BFF/Top advisor) and more... https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/378628-trump-tv-pipeline-is-a-joke-next-to-obamas-media-hires Also, each one of these journalists we know were on Fusion GPS's payroll: The real bias in the media isn't left or right -- it's uniparty all the way. IC all the way. And some of the above names have committed crimes in the name of their propaganda push the past two years. Justice is coming their way too... and they know it. (case in point) He's not a liar as much as he's a bought and paid for disinformation agent. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 The bias isn’t intended, it’s just that the media people all went to the same private schools and earned the same Ivy League degrees and socialize only with people who all hold the same liberal opinions they do They really think they hold the undisputed truth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: The bias isn’t intended, it’s just that the media people all went to the same private schools and earned the same Ivy League degrees and socialize only with people who all hold the same liberal opinions they do They really think they hold the undisputed truth For some, even the majority, that's absolutely true. But there are subversive eggs in there, ones planted and on the payroll of the IC and uniparty cabal. That those bad eggs tend to be elevated to the highest profile is just a coincidence, I'm sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: For some, even the majority, that's absolutely true. But there are subversive eggs in there, ones planted and on the payroll of the IC and uniparty cabal. That those bad eggs tend to be elevated to the highest profile is just a coincidence, I'm sure I saw at least 8 media grand Pooh-bahs proclaim on TV that they didn’t know a single person who supported Trump during the campaign shocking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The bulk of your comments is exactly where I was until 2016. I am pretty sure I've written almost verbatim what you wrote above multiple times during the W years down here. I highlight the above snippet because I agree "the media" is impossible to control for one party... but the uniparty? Now you are getting somewhere. It's a mistake to think the media is solely a left leaning monolith. The reality is that it serves the interest of the uniparty and IC above the DNC or left. In today's environment that's easy enough to conflate or miss, but the W years make this clear if you compare it to the Trump years. In the W years there was a clear "bias" against Bush in the MSM, the same sort of complaints you'd find in the Reagan years or HW years -- but it was always balanced out (somewhat) by a large and popular segment of papers and TV channels which provided an alternative view. In the Trump years, those same papers and channels and journalists which strove for balance have been aligned in lockstep with their former "opponents" in the ratings chase. That's not because those sources which once supported W suddenly changed their politics, it's because those sources were always supporting the uniparty -- which crosses the aisle and was represented by Clinton and Bush both. Trump, however, is a threat to them directly which is why both sides have been loudly anti-Trump since it became clear he'd be the nominee. The effort to control the media has been at the heart of the Intelligence community's goals since their inception in the late 40s. We've seen this through various programs such as Mockingbird and Ultra -- real programs which have been the subject of congressional committee hearings and have hundreds/thousands of pages of supporting evidence which outlines not only their reality, but their successes. That's not to say everything is controlled, it's not. But you don't need to control the entire apparatus to be able to steer the national conversation, you only need to control certain chokepoints. The goal isn't to control every single media outlet or journalist. The goal is to sow enough disinformation everywhere so that real truth which inevitably gets reported (sometimes by accident) gets washed away by all the other noise. A select number of journalists (over 300 per the Church Committee) are in reality intelligence agents/assets (sometimes officers) whose loyalty lies to the IC rather than their audience or editors. That number today is probably much larger, but the methods and goals remain the same: control the narrative>>>control the masses. That was the reality of the media landscape even before social media and cable news really existed. Social media and "citizen journalists" have caused some problems for this control system, but they've worked to combat their effectiveness through censorship and stoking the fears of the mob to silence their critics. We know, for example, that the following journalists are in fact heavily compromised by their uniparty/IC ties: * Jake Tapper * Anderson Cooper * Ken Dilanian * Devlin Barret * David Corn * Michael Isikoff * Mika Brzezinski Then there's the executive level connections to the IC and former administrations: * Ben Sherwood, former head of ABC news (married to Obama NSC member) * David Rhodes, head of CBS news (brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama advisor) * Laura Jarrett, CNN reporter (daughter of Obama's BFF/Top advisor) and more... https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/378628-trump-tv-pipeline-is-a-joke-next-to-obamas-media-hires Also, each one of these journalists we know were on Fusion GPS's payroll: The real bias in the media isn't left or right -- it's uniparty all the way. IC all the way. And some of the above names have committed crimes in the name of their propaganda push the past two years. Justice is coming their way too... and they know it. I just wish I could like the guy the media and IC community despises. LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I just wish I could like the guy the media and IC community despises. LOL. Being a truly effective president has nothing to do with "like". Regardless of the horseshit he spreads, he's not only on the right track philosophically but he's competent and moving his agenda forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I just wish I could like the guy the media and IC community despises. LOL. What does "like" have to do with it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 hours ago, KD in CA said: The turning point was the creation of CNN and the realization that news could be a major profit center. That was the end of journalistic integrity. As I say to people all the time, when I was a kid there was 22 minutes worth of news per day, and it was covered in 22 minutes on TV at 6:30pm. There is still 22 minutes worth of news per day....and it is covered 24x7x365. was farting around this morning, and had CBS Sunday morning in the background. Ted Koppel was moderating a panel with the guy who ran ABC News when he started Nightline, Greta, and some dude from VOX...with the background of the story being Brian Cranston on Broadway now in Network and this was 3 eras of news. I think they said, and again i was not 100% focused...that the news division first started to be looked at as a profit center with Nightline...not quite sure when CNN started but had to be shortly after no? Prolly as a result of the ratings success of Nightline. So think you are spot on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: was farting around this morning, and had CBS Sunday morning in the background. Ted Koppel was moderating a panel with the guy who ran ABC News when he started Nightline, Greta, and some dude from VOX...with the background of the story being Brian Cranston on Broadway now in Network and this was 3 eras of news. I think they said, and again i was not 100% focused...that the news division first started to be looked at as a profit center with Nightline...not quite sure when CNN started but had to be shortly after no? Prolly as a result of the ratings success of Nightline. So think you are spot on here. Nightline started with the hostage crisis in 1979??? A one hour show at the most on M-F CNN has always been 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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