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"I find it tragic that this happened and our president can’t show compassion but instead chimes in with cheap sideline advice. I expect more from him. You don’t and that’s ok."

 

There's no should "just" offer compassion in the original statement. That would imply there was compassion offered. Instead he said the above - that there was no compassion shown in the tweet - which led off with a sentence expressing compassion for the event

 

But liars gonna lie. Rather than admit he's lying, he carefully changes his statement. Adding a word (he never said) and hopes he can slither away. That's the move of a troll, not an honest person. And BM IS a troll, as he was when he posted as Ben Franklin and his other monikers. 

 

He's gonna lie. 

 

He's gonna lie some more. 

 

Then he'll change the topic and hope you don't remember. 

 

***** him.  

 

 

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Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

All he can do is lie and change topics. Look how much he's had to slide his original statement already. 

 

He's an unrepentant asshat, nothing more. 

Shouldn't you be sifting through Q drops to find him mention something about salad dressing so you can say he meant French dressing and was clearly predicting this?

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41 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

I have. 

 

And I have faith that the proper authorities didn’t need the Tweeter in Chief chiming in with his deep knowledge of firefighting. How about, “Our thoughts and prayers are with the people of Paris and the brave firefighters trying to save a cultural treasure.”

 

To quote Madeline Kahn in Blazing Saddles:  "OH, how ordiawy"

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28 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Was I too vague? Let me be clearer....

 

France would not exist if not for the office of the President of the United States of America. 

 

So when the man who holds that office says something to French authorities, regardless how inconsequential it is, it has weight. I'm sorry that you pucker every time he says something because you're so butt-hurt because the bad man won the presidency. Doesn't change reality. 

Pretty sure the United States would not exist without French support.

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regarding the Shep Smith shutdown of a Frenchman. we are talking about an elected official. not that that should mean any more than if it were some Joe of the street but ... it was an elected official who was spouting the possibility of it not being an accident.

 

 

https://twitter.com/AuthorCClerk/status/1117860181747077121

 

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2 minutes ago, Foxx said:

regarding the Shep Smith shutdown of a Frenchman. we are talking about an elected official. not that that should mean any more than if it were some Joe of the street but ... it was an elected official who was spouting the possibility of it not being an accident.

 

 

https://twitter.com/AuthorCClerk/status/1117860181747077121

 

 

Shep Smith was right to shut that guy down. I wonder why DR called Shep a propagandist and bad newsman for it. 

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3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Instead of saying that, you led off with a lie. 

 

Because you're a liar - or illiterate - or both. 

 

You won't quote me because you think I get paid by your quotes of my posts, so I don't even know WTF you're talking about weirdo. 

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37 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

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Also heard the same on CNBC a moment ago... (they quoted French media as well, for clarity rather than offering a second source/confirmation)


Normal hours have Notre Dame closing at 6:45 pm. Going by your first post in this thread about the fire (the tweet timestamp) it would appear the fire started shortly after closing (6-hour time difference from eastern). My only question would be - it is holy week;  aren't churches (or at least cathedrals) open 24/7 during holy week?  I do not know the answer to this, I am merely asking. 

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You know what I'm talking about. You lied with your first comment - then got called out on it and then you tried to add a word (which you didn't say) in the hopes it changed your initial lie. You do this often. Because you're dishonest. Because you're a troll. Because you're a waste of carbon. 

 

As for Shep - if you were honest you'd already know the answer. It's one I've given before. For two years that same "principle" he leaned on to cut the guy off did not apply to Shep as he pushed unfounded conspiracy theory after unfounded conspiracy theory about the president being a Russian spy. Yet he has the balls to try to take the journalistic high ground when an elected official wants to point out the fact that Parisian churches have been targeted for arson by extremists. 

 

Yeah. He's a propagandist, not a journalist. 

 

You wouldn't know because you're too dishonest to have any principles at this point. 

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1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


Normal hours have Notre Dame closing at 6:45 pm. Going by your first post in this thread about the fire (the tweet timestamp) it would appear the fire started shortly after closing (6-hour time difference from eastern). My only question would be - it is holy week;  aren't churches (or at least cathedrals) open 24/7 during holy week?  I do not know the answer to this, I am merely asking. 

 

Protestant churches aren't. Mine isn't.

 

Can't answer about cathedrals.

 

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1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

You know what I'm talking about. You lied with your first comment - then got called out on it and then you tried to add a word (which you didn't say) in the hopes it changed your initial lie. You do this often. Because you're dishonest. Because you're a troll. Because you're a waste of carbon. 

 

As for Shep - if you were honest you'd already know the answer. It's one I've given before. For two years that same "principle" he leaned on to cut the guy off did not apply to Shep as he pushed unfounded conspiracy theory after unfounded conspiracy theory about the president being a Russian spy. Yet he has the balls to try to take the journalistic high ground when an elected official wants to point out the fact that Parisian churches have been targeted for arson by extremists. 

 

Yeah. He's a propagandist, not a journalist. 

 

You wouldn't know because you're too dishonest to have any principles at this point. 

You should just use that as your sig. 

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45 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Equating ww2 to a fire in the cathedral is really a strong point. 

 

That's actually why I'm not too broken up about Notre Dame.  It's sad, yes...but do you have any idea how many medieval treasures were destroyed by allied fire-bombings?  

 

I just can't get too worked up about one going up accidentally.  

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50 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

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Also heard the same on CNBC a moment ago... (they quoted French media as well, for clarity rather than offering a second source/confirmation)

 

Accidents can happen outside of normal working hours.  

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

firefighters reporting that they think the bell towers can be saved. enough water being dumped upon them to insulate them to a large degree.

 

As long as the bells stay intact.  If those fall, the towers go with them.  The largest bell weighs 13 tons.  And they're held by huge wooden beams. 

 

The bells themselves may be a loss anyway - warped from the heat.

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

Yeah...of course, it could be a deliberate act.  But there's no evidence of that, and how often do we hear of fires started by renovation work? 

 

Speculation is worse than useless here - it's demonization of a group of people.  

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7 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

As long as the bells stay intact.  If those fall, the towers go with them.  The largest bell weighs 13 tons.  And they're held by huge wooden beams. 

 

The bells themselves may be a loss anyway - warped from the heat.

 

Yeah...of course, it could be a deliberate act.  But there's no evidence of that, and how often do we hear of fires started by renovation work? 

 

Speculation is worse than useless here - it's demonization of a group of people.  

 

How do you even go about making sure the bells are secured in that case? Jeez. What a task. 

 

Correct, but on the other hand, assuming that it was an accident is speculation as well. The reports from the scene saying accident seem premature, but they do lend more credence to the accident angle. I think it's wrong to say "because of what has happened lately, this is intentional" but it does demand consideration for sure. 

 

Essentially, it's too early to say for sure either way. 

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6 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

How do you even go about making sure the bells are secured in that case? Jeez. What a task. 

 

Correct, but on the other hand, assuming that it was an accident is speculation as well. The reports from the scene saying accident seem premature, but they do lend more credence to the accident angle. I think it's wrong to say "because of what has happened lately, this is intentional" but it does demand consideration for sure. 

 

Essentially, it's too early to say for sure either way. 

 

It demands consideration.  It does not demand belief.

4 minutes ago, Foxx said:

 

Which makes sense...but at some point, the risk-reward calculation tips in favor of doing so.

 

That point is probably now, as the building's just about a total loss anyway.  

 

EDIT: and as I post that, I get a notification from NBC that "the structure" is saved.  Which, coming from NBC, probably means they nuked the site from orbit...

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Just now, DC Tom said:

 

It demands consideration.  It does not demand belief.

 

Right. Both sides (accident v. intentional) begin at 0 and when evidence is displayed, you adjust accordingly. The accounts from the scene saying it was an accident would be a point towards that camp, but the validity of that can be questioned for sure. So we wait and see what happens. 

 

We tend to default to believing something to be an accident (at least the media at large does) and that can lead to other potentials not being fleshed out. I haven't been watching fox, but I wonder if they are actually evaluating it from both sides. Not that it matters too much today.  

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7 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

... Which makes sense...but at some point, the risk-reward calculation tips in favor of doing so.

 

That point is probably now, as the building's just about a total loss anyway.  

at this point my concern would be that to do so, you risk 'blowing out' the side walls. the impact of the water could create enough of a shock wave to blow them out (or topple them inward for that matter).

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