Rico Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, napmaster said: Can't pay Gillmore when you give Dareus $100M. I sure miss Whaley. Yeah, I was not a Buddy Nix fan, but Gilmore was a rock-solid pick of his that unfortunately had to leave town due to the gross mismanagement of his successor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Still not sold based on one comment during a conference. Belichick talks up the Bills and opponents all the time. Do you think he really believes it? Again, I’m not saying that’s the case but observing body language is the exact same thing as interpreting a quote. It’s all an inference based on information It wasn't one comment; the whole article was on the subject. That just happened to be a single snippet of interest. Give it a read; perhaps your opinion would change. 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Cool story, but I still don’t like Gilmore and glad they didn’t resign him. However as BADOL pointed out, if it meant drafting Mahomes and keeping SG I’d sign up for that. Come to think of it, I don’t like Marrone too much either. Well that's kind of the point. Would the team be better off if they re-signed Gilmore, drafted Mahomes, and had the 21st overall pick to use (on, say, Calvin Ridley or DJ Moore) in 2017? 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That was a blown coverage by the safety. Indeed...so spake Rex: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2016/11/01/bills-film-room-breaking-down-patriots-wr-chris-hogans-td-vs-stephon-gilmore/ ...but Gilmore apparently missed a coverage check on the play as well (which seemingly happened to someone on the defense in every play of Rex's tenure) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: @Rico .... another Whaley gem? Nope, he was a Buddy Nix gem. The much-maligned Nix actually made some good picks for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I can post where I please. Why is only positive feedback allowed? Rather than ignoring every thread that is irrelevant in my opinion, I try to point out when one is unnecessary. This board is best when other teams and their players are discussed, and that has always gone on here for nearly 20 years. A Bills-only discussion board would suck, and I'd run away screaming. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: There was a ton of discussion about that play after the game. Reading the tea leaves from postgame comments, the general consensus was the coverage was blown. I think there were about five threads on that play after it happened. Just like me, we have no way of knowing the call. “Reading the tea leaves” is compelling evidence. But to me it looked like he was burned and this happened more times than it should have in Buffalo 1 minute ago, Rico said: Nope, he was a Buddy Nix gem. The much-maligned Nix actually made some good picks for the Bills. Quite possibly Buddy’s best pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 BOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, BillyWhiteShows said: Just like me, we have no way of knowing the call. “Reading the tea leaves” is compelling evidence. But to me it looked like he was burned and this happened more times than it should have in Buffalo Check out the article I posted; he didn't get burned. It was a miscommunication between the DBs; Meeks was supposed to help him out. Getting back to his all-pro selection, here's an interesting statistic that tells a bit more about his play: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: The badmouthing of Gilmore when he was on the Bills was insane. He’s always been a very good and often great corner. Yes, he got too many penalties but many of them were unwarranted. He got toasted by Chris Hogan when he was here. That should never happen to any CB in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) Bills fans’ evaluations of Gilmore should be used as an objective yardstick of football acumen. The best coach in history thought he was worth paying to be the top corner in the league, and he proved that decision to be the correct one by playing like the best corner in the league. But he didn’t smile on draft day and pointed at a teammate once so... 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: He got toasted by Chris Hogan when he was here. That should never happen to any CB in this league. Your post should never happen, for a variety of reasons including that the premise of it was debunked upthread and it’s a nonsense point in any event. This is what I mean... Edited January 4, 2019 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: This board is best when other teams and their players are discussed, and that has always gone on here for nearly 20 years. A Bills-only discussion board would suck, and I'd run away screaming. I'm interested in other teams' players when there is a chance that they are Bills at some point in the future. When they are recently allowed to walk and talk crap on their way out, I don't much care about their media accolades. Want to talk about his play against the Bills? Cool, I'm in. Want to discuss his All-Pro selection? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Bills fans’ evaluations of Gilmore should be used as an objective yardstick of football acumen. The best coach in history thought he was worth paying to be the top corner in the league, and he proved that decision to be the correct one by playing like the best corner in the league. But he didn’t smile on draft day and pointed at a teammate once so... Your post should never happen, for a variety of reasons including that the premise of it was debunked upthread and it’s a nonsense point in any event. This is what I mean... Just so you know, I was a fan of Gilmore. I wanted the Bills to draft him. I liked what I saw from him when he was here, and we all saw what he did against Odell Beckham Jr. and it was great. What I hated was his last season here. His attitude was terrible and you could see it in his play. He did not look like he wanted to be here and he played like it. The Chris Hogan play is one example of how his final season was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm interested in other teams' players when there is a chance that they are Bills at some point in the future. When they are recently allowed to walk and talk crap on their way out, I don't much care about their media accolades. Want to talk about his play against the Bills? Cool, I'm in. Want to discuss his All-Pro selection? Why? “Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.” Signed, the Buffalo Bills. Also, this is a football message board. Just now, Mark Vader said: Just so you know, I was a fan of Gilmore. I wanted the Bills to draft him. I liked what I saw from him when he was here, and we all saw what he did against Odell Beckham Jr. and it was great. What I hated was his last season here. His attitude was terrible and you could see it in his play. He did not look like he wanted to be here and he played like it. The Chris Hogan play is one example of how his final season was here. The Hogan play was not his fault. The point about his last season is somewhat valid - there were concentration lapses and some “business decisions” made while tackling (which ended up to his detriment) but you cannot argue with what he’s done this year, which is exactly what the GOAT paid him to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm interested in other teams' players when there is a chance that they are Bills at some point in the future. When they are recently allowed to walk and talk crap on their way out, I don't much care about their media accolades. Want to talk about his play against the Bills? Cool, I'm in. Want to discuss his All-Pro selection? Why? Because he plays for our main division rival, he used to play for the Bills, he was a top ten pick for us, and we're likely to face him 4-6 times over the next 2-3 years. Plus -- again -- this is an NFL board too. It's not only about the Bills. That's why a lot of the good posters here (Bandit, Kirby, 26, Badol, Yolo) have contributed so much for so long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I don’t think he is good enough to shut down a number 1 but he is good enough to shut down a number 2. That is how the Pats use him and it is another reason BB is the best coach in the NFL. Just now, dave mcbride said: Because he plays for our main division rival, he used to play for the Bills, he was a top ten pick for us, and we're likely to face him 4-6 times over the next 2-3 years. Plus -- again -- this is an NFL board too. It's not only about the Bills. That's why a lot of the good posters here (Bandit, Kirby, 26, Badol, Yolo) have contributed so much for so long. Also, I think Foster did a good job against him. I think we can take advantage of the matchup next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Just so you know, I was a fan of Gilmore. I wanted the Bills to draft him. I liked what I saw from him when he was here, and we all saw what he did against Odell Beckham Jr. and it was great. What I hated was his last season here. His attitude was terrible and you could see it in his play. He did not look like he wanted to be here and he played like it. The Chris Hogan play is one example of how his final season was here. What has to be factored in in his last season was the extreme discontent among most of the Bills defensive players with Rex's system, which was an abject failure. They finished 27th in defensive DVOA in 2016 (and 24th in 2015) despite having a lot of talent. They were 2nd under Schwartz in 2014. It was way too complicated and there was no Jim Leonhard (a bizarre constant in all of Rex's good defenses) who could explain on the fly to other players the Rube Goldberg machine that was the Bills defense in those years. 3 minutes ago, billspro said: I don’t think he is good enough to shut down a number 1 but he is good enough to shut down a number 2. That is how the Pats use him and it is another reason BB is the best coach in the NFL. Also, I think Foster did a good job against him. I think we can take advantage of the matchup next season. I'm a Foster fan. He's a player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: “Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.” Signed, the Buffalo Bills. Also, this is a football message board. The Hogan play was not his fault. The point about his last season is somewhat valid - there were concentration lapses and some “business decisions” made while tackling (which ended up to his detriment) but you cannot argue with what he’s done this year, which is exactly what the GOAT paid him to do. It wasn’t his fault, just like how getting beat by Robert Foster on the go route wasn’t his fault either. Gotcha. Safety must have lost coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, billspro said: I don’t think he is good enough to shut down a number 1 but he is good enough to shut down a number 2. That is how the Pats use him and it is another reason BB is the best coach in the NFL. "Shutdown" corner is a myth...even the best corners give up receptions. In general, you aren't going to find a coach that uses a corner specifically against an opponent's WR2. The typical schools of thought are: Theory 1: match your CB1 against your opponent's CB1. In theory, you can feel confident that the opponent's WR1 won't have a huge game against you. Theory 2: play your CB1 on the same side of the field all the time. In theory, you know that you don't have to worry about that side of the field, and can flood the other side of the field with coverage en masse. I don't think I've ever heard of any coach saying "I'm going to match my CB1 against the opponent's WR2 so that I don't have to..."; actually I can't think of a single idea that would make sense as a finish to that sentence. No offense. Just now, BillyWhiteShows said: It wasn’t his fault, just like how getting beat by Robert Foster on the go route wasn’t his fault either. Gotcha. Safety must have lost coverage I would (again) encourage you to read the article that I posted that is specifically about that play 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: “Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.” Signed, the Buffalo Bills. Also, this is a football message board. The Hogan play was not his fault. The point about his last season is somewhat valid - there were concentration lapses and some “business decisions” made while tackling (which ended up to his detriment) but you cannot argue with what he’s done this year, which is exactly what the GOAT paid him to do. I don't care about what he did this year. That's not what I'm getting at. There were things that he did in his final year that I thought was insulting to the fans. His attitude really pissed me off. We as fans do not deserve that. Do I hold a grudge, yes! Like I said, I was thrilled when the Bills drafted him. I even defended him in his first few seasons, when people were complaining that Gilmore does not get any interceptions. His final year with the Bills was the last straw for me. If he's reached his potential with the Patriots*.....so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Bills fans’ evaluations of Gilmore should be used as an objective yardstick of football acumen. The best coach in history thought he was worth paying to be the top corner in the league, and he proved that decision to be the correct one by playing like the best corner in the league. But he didn’t smile on draft day and pointed at a teammate once so... Your post should never happen, for a variety of reasons including that the premise of it was debunked upthread and it’s a nonsense point in any event. This is what I mean... Weak post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Because he plays for our main division rival, he used to play for the Bills, he was a top ten pick for us, and we're likely to face him 4-6 times over the next 2-3 years. Plus -- again -- this is an NFL board too. It's not only about the Bills. That's why a lot of the good posters here (Bandit, Kirby, 26, Badol, Yolo) have contributed so much for so long. And again, I'm for discussing his play against us and matchups with Foster/Zay/whoever we pick up in the next 4 months. I'm unsure why you want to recognize a player for our main division rival's media accolade. Are you making this thread if it's Preston Brown with the award? Or Sammy? Or Tyrod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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