Where would we be if we still had Cogs and Wood?

[JohnC]

21 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

He was older, his play was falling off, and he was making a lot in the short term when he wasn’t in our long term plans. Cap space rolls over. 

 

Cog in 2017 was a much different performer than Cog in 2015. 

I recognize that his play was falling off, especially when compared to 2015 when it was at an all-star level. That's understood. What is also understood was that this veteran player who was at the end of his career was not in this rebuilding team's future. The veteran even knew that.What was also evident was that this diminished player was still arguably our best blocker. The organization had the ability to absorb his contract without stressing the cap or handcuffing it from making other transactions.

 

The Incognito decision was a short term decision that hurt an already problematic O-line. Wouldn't it have made more sense to keep him for this year and then move on? There may be more to this issue but on the surface it didn't seem to be a prudent decision when considering how bad our line was without him. 

[Doc]

The Bills would have had at least 3 more wins: Houston, Jets and Miami.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

For all the complainers that want McBeane gone, have you thought about where we would be if we still had our two Pro-Bowl Olineman.  

 

Maybe Im wrong but I think with those two Allen doesnt get injured in the Texans game.  So at the least he would have won that game I believe and would have gotten more on field experience.

 

I also believe our run game would have been much better.

 

Best case senerio we may have actually had a shot at the division title.

 

The only down side may have been we may not have gotten Anderson and Barkley.  There is no way to tell how much hes learned from them.  Also I believe we have a long term viable backup in Barkley.

 

They had no way of knowing they would lose those two Oline and to ask them to replace those guys in a single off season is obserd.  Its amazing that there are some that cant put this season in perspective.  

 

We have had coach after coach that had their players underachieving and now we have one that I believe gets his team to overachieve and people want to get rid of him.  Im very excited about this teams potential goin forward as they seem to actually develope talent and motivate players.  I do believe it would have been easier to see it with Cogs and Wood still on the line.

 

...good point.....safe to say it was an unanticipated speed bump......perhaps could have weathered one, but TWO was steep.....I'd also ask that despite coming off injury, was Cordy Glenn the right trade bait to move up?  that's 3/5 of your OL...not sure if Castillo was equipped to deal with that type of upheaval as well.....he had started 12 straight for the Bengals until his back flared up....division title may be a stretch principally due to the WR & TE corp.....then again, restoring 3/5 of your OL may make the run game better, giving Josh more time to hopefully find receivers......all "shoulda...coulda...woulda...water over the dam" but an interesting topic...so we forge ahead...

Edited December 25, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well..if this theory is true then there’s no reason to focus on anything other than the OLine in 2019. The rest of the many, many offensive problems (WR, TE, RB, and QB) were all self inflicted wounds by this Front Office and Coaching staff.

 

This is false.  I mean every word of this is false.  It’s amazing to me this mythological false narrative fans have with a “fuzzy” memory to say the least.  I see it repeated around here so much and it literally makes no sense.

 

WR - Woods left as a FA on his own to go back home to play before Beane was a Buffalo Bill.  Goodwin left as a FA and NO ONE here except me and a couple other people wanted to keep him.  Watkins was not going to be resigned and was going to be lost for nothing and Beane got a pretty good return for a guy who somehow makes $16m a year yet hasn’t had a 1000 yard season but once 5 years ago.

 

TE - Clay was already here before this regime and on a big contract.  We already had a ton of dead cap space and he was still (coming into this season) useful as he’s also a good blocker.

 

RB - This was never considered an issue coming into the season, and run game struggles have a lot, and I mean a lot, to do with the OL being so bad at blocking.  I mean there are few holes.

 

QB - How is this a self inflicted problem?  We were never going anywhere with Tyrod, we needed to draft a rookie to try and find a franchise QB we can TRULY contend with.  This is NOT a problem, QB has been a huge bright spot this year with Allen as his future looks very bright.

 

You cannot fill every hole every year.  We couldn’t spend heavy in agree Agency last year with Beane in process of fixing the cap mess he inherited (which he has and a year faster than he thought it would take).  We can’t fill every hole in a draft either.  I mean the last two drafts they have done quite well, but you only have so many picks.  Now they have the D good enough to contend and our franchise QB in place, and did all that while also completely fixing the cap and picking up a few extra draft picks this year too.

 

 

 

Edited December 25, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[BringBackOrton]

18 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I recognize that his play was falling off, especially when compared to 2015 when it was at an all-star level. That's understood. What is also understood was that this veteran player who was at the end of his career was not in this rebuilding team's future. The veteran even knew that.What was also evident was that this diminished player was still arguably our best blocker. The organization had the ability to absorb his contract without stressing the cap or handcuffing it from making other transactions.

 

The Incognito decision was a short term decision that hurt an already problematic O-line. Wouldn't it have made more sense to keep him for this year and then move on? There may be more to this issue but on the surface it didn't seem to be a prudent decision when considering how bad our line was without him. 

We tried to keep him this year. 

 

You are conflating the issue as if the Bills should have known Richie would have lost his mind after agreeing to a pay cut of his own free will.

 

We only cut Richie after he called the Pegulas at their home and hurled obscenities at them because he lost his mind. Richie is the reason that Richie is cut.

 

Why you blame anybody else for this sequence of events is honestly beyond me. Should we not try to sign LorAx to a cheaper deal next year because he might freak out and scare the owners to the point of banning him from the premises? Maybe Matt Barkley decides he should be paid $10M a season tomorrow, and texts the Pegula children threats. I guess we shouldn’t have offered him a team-friendly deal.

 

 

[Nester]

It’s a big reason imo.

these guys are very hard to replace.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

This is false.  I mean every word of this is false.  It’s amazing to me this mythological false narrative fans have with a “fuzzy” memory to say the least.  I see it repeated around here so much and it literally makes no sense.

 

WR - Woods left as a FA on his own to go back home to play before Beane was a Buffalo Bill.  Goodwin left as a FA and NO ONE here except me and a couple other people wanted to keep him.  Watkins was not going to be resigned and was going to be lost for nothing and Beane got a pretty good return for a guy who somehow makes $16m a year yet hasn’t had a 1000 yard season but once 5 years ago.

 

TE - Clay was already here before this regime and on a big contract.  We already had a ton of dead cap space and he was still (coming into this season) useful as he’s also a good blocker.

 

RB - This was never considered an issue coming into the season, and run game struggles have a lot, and I mean a lot, to do with the OL being so bad at blocking.  I mean there are few holes.

 

QB - How is this a self inflicted problem?  We were never going anywhere with Tyrod, we needed to draft a rookie to try and find a franchise QB we can TRULY contend with.  This is NOT a problem, QB has been a huge bright spot this year with Allen as his future looks very bright.

 

You cannot fill every hole every year.  We couldn’t spend heavy in agree Agency last year with Beane in process of fixing the cap mess he inherited (which he has and a year faster than he thought it would take).  We can’t fill every hole in a draft either.  I mean the last two drafts they have done quite well, but you only have so many picks.  Now they have the D good enough to contend and our franchise QB in place, and did all that while also completely fixing the cap and picking up a few extra draft picks this year too.

 

 

 

 

....whoa!...hope Santa brought you a kevlar vest with this "voice of reason" stuff 'Dawg........BTW, everything is 101% spot on...good show bud....

Edited December 25, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Marv's Neighbor]

2 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

I think the running game and Allen would have been better and of course Allen would have been protected a little better,but not better enough to win no more than maybe 3 more games IMO. I think they still would have had problems with the WRs. We will never know.

That's all very true BUT we have to start tackling and knocking people down.  This "arm tackling" stuff has got to end because it's totally ineffective.  That Pats TD where their man rolled over, and somehow never touched the ground, is an example of not finishing plays.

[JohnC]

13 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

We tried to keep him this year. 

 

You are conflating the issue as if the Bills should have known Richie would have lost his mind after agreeing to a pay cut of his own free will.

 

We only cut Richie after he called the Pegulas at their home and hurled obscenities at them because he lost his mind. Richie is the reason that Richie is cut.

 

Why you blame anybody else for this sequence of events is honestly beyond me. Should we not try to sign LorAx to a cheaper deal next year because he might freak out and scare the owners to the point of banning him from the premises? Maybe Matt Barkley decides he should be paid $10M a season tomorrow, and texts the Pegula children threats. I guess we shouldn’t have offered him a team-friendly deal.

 

 

You need to re-read what I wrote instead of assuming and misinterpreting what I wrote . I posed the question, not made a declaration about what happened with this situation. I don't know what the full story is. None of us do. Where I do voice my opinion on the issue of losing him because of cutting his salary when it wasn't necessary to do so. Assuming that there weren't other side issues we could have easily kept him with his original contract. The issue that I am considering is by instigating his departure because of a salary cut did it hurt us? I would say yes. Is there a back story regarding this player? Maybe. But before the salary cut he was  undoubtedly one of the better players on the line. Last year, our OL was horrible. 

Edited December 25, 2018 by JohnC

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

That's all very true BUT we have to start tackling and knocking people down.  This "arm tackling" stuff has got to end because it's totally ineffective.  That Pats TD where their man rolled over, and somehow never touched the ground, is an example of not finishing plays.

 

...certainly cannot deny that gaffes elsewhere would have also disappeared as well......although Richie was NEVER ONCE guilty of holding (I prefer to say "temporarily detained the opposition"..), we STILL take too many undisciplined, dumb penalties....

[LSHMEAB]

Every single team has some level of attrition. We're talking about two decent offensive linemen here. We're not talking about Dermontti Dawson and Bruce Matthews. That is not a valid excuse for some of the blowout losses that we've endured. The Chicago game always comes to mind when I ponder McDermott's future. That was a total meltdown and not the type you see from elite coaches. I don't believe the acquisitions of Murphy and Star aided the defense nearly enough to warrant the capital, which is why I'm more skeptical of Beane than even McDermott. At least I've seen some positive results from McDermott.

 

What I don't want is more excuses for 2019. It's make or break for these guys.

27 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

You cannot fill every hole every year.  We couldn’t spend heavy in agree Agency last year with Beane in process of fixing the cap mess he inherited (which he has and a year faster than he thought it would take).  We can’t fill every hole in a draft either.  I mean the last two drafts they have done quite well, but you only have so many picks.  Now they have the D good enough to contend and our franchise QB in place, and did all that while also completely fixing the cap and picking up a few extra draft picks this year too.

 

 

 

The concern I have is in regards to the players Beane DID bring in. Murphy and Lotuleilei have been underwhelming. Those signings don't exactly inspire a ton of confidence that Beane will spend wisely with all that cap space. We shall see.

Edited December 25, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Every single team has some level of attrition. We're talking about two decent offensive linemen here. We're not talking about Dermontti Dawson and Bruce Matthews. That is not a valid excuse for some of the blowout losses that we've endured. The Chicago game always comes to mind when I ponder McDermott's future. That was a total meltdown and not the type you see from elite coaches. I don't believe the acquisitions of Murphy and Star aided the defense nearly enough to warrant the capital, which is why I'm more skeptical of Beane than even McDermott. At least I've seen some positive results from McDermott.

 

What I don't want is more excuses for 2019. It's make or break for these guys.

The concern I have is in regards to the players Beane DID bring in. Murphy and Lotuleilei have been underwhelming. Those signings don't exactly inspire a ton of confidence that Beane will spend wisely with all that cap space. We shall see.

 

This is a more fair stance.   But to be equally fair, you can’t say that and also ignore the good additions they brought in too via FA and draft.  No GM in history has a .1000 batting average in signings, and while I agree the Star signing hasn’t proved to be worth it yet, the Murphy one can easily be rectified this year as they have outs in his contract, so not a big problem if they don’t want to keep him.  Plus, the Star contract isn’t going to hold us back, we have plenty of cap room, so it’s not as bad as it seems.

 

But those OL are not just some JAG players.  We lost two pro bowl OL and didn’t have cap room to fill those spots with even competent players.  I mean we are starting guys on the OL who are not even good backups.  You can’t run the ball or protect your QB when you have poor rotational blockers up front who would struggle to even make other rosters as a backup.  

[Nuncha]

Maybe 1-2 more wins.

[BringBackOrton]

30 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You need to re-read what I wrote instead of assuming and misinterpreting what I wrote . I posed the question, not made a declaration about what happened with this situation. I don't know what the full story is. None of us do. Where I do voice my opinion on the issue of losing him because of cutting his salary when it wasn't necessary to do so. Assuming that there weren't other side issues we could have easily kept him with his original contract. The issue that I am considering is by instigating his departure because of a salary cut did it hurt us? I would say yes. Is there a back story regarding this player? Maybe. But before the salary cut he was  undoubtedly one of the better players on the line. Last year, our OL was horrible. 

I'm reading what you're saying, it's just that your question presents a false choice that didn't exist at the time.

 

In fact, I answered your question.

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

Wouldn't it have made more sense to keep him for this year and then move on? 

 

40 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

We tried to keep him this year. 

That's the end of the story.  We tried to keep Richie this year, at a reduced salary that he agreed to, and we were successful in doing so until he lost his mind.  Period.

 

There was no real "decision" to move on. Richie "decided" to move on by acting insane.  And that hurt us.

Edited December 25, 2018 by BringBackOrton

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

This is a more fair stance.   But to be equally fair, you can’t say that and also ignore the good additions they brought in too via FA and draft.  No GM in history has a .1000 batting average in signings, and while I agree the Star signing hasn’t proved to be worth it yet, the Murphy one can easily be rectified this year as they have outs in his contract, so not a big problem if they don’t want to keep him.  Plus, the Star contract isn’t going to hold us back, we have plenty of cap room, so it’s not as bad as it seems.

 

But those OL are not just some JAG players.  We lost two pro bowl OL and didn’t have cap room to fill those spots with even competent players.  I mean we are starting guys on the OL who are not even good backups.  You can’t run the ball or protect your QB when you have poor rotational blockers up front who would struggle to even make other rosters as a backup.  

I hated/hate the Star signing so that tends to shape my opinion on the 2018 off season. Not sure who was available at OL other than Bodine(who may actually be serviceable at C) and Funkhouser(who's trash.) Probably could have allocated the Star resources better(much better). We'll see what happens this offseason. I'm not willing to give these guys 5 years. 3 years is plenty to figure it out.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

18 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Every single team has some level of attrition. We're talking about two decent offensive linemen here. We're not talking about Dermontti Dawson and Bruce Matthews. That is not a valid excuse for some of the blowout losses that we've endured. The Chicago game always comes to mind when I ponder McDermott's future. That was a total meltdown and not the type you see from elite coaches. I don't believe the acquisitions of Murphy and Star aided the defense nearly enough to warrant the capital, which is why I'm more skeptical of Beane than even McDermott. At least I've seen some positive results from McDermott.

 

What I don't want is more excuses for 2019. It's make or break for these guys.

The concern I have is in regards to the players Beane DID bring in. Murphy and Lotuleilei have been underwhelming. Those signings don't exactly inspire a ton of confidence that Beane will spend wisely with all that cap space. We shall see.

 

.......despite being bound by the 89% cap spend rule, not sure how McBeane plans to go about his business.....do not see him as a "big splash...name player" type.....somebody here posted a McBeane quote about how he assigns a "value to a particular player and that's it.."...so individual overspending is out....I'd offer that cap clearing and "garbage to the curb" did inhibit his signings.......both Murphy and Halftime Vontae were coming off injury, so he went value shopping to plug holes....Murphy missed the majority of TC and pre-season, with the regular season being a cameo appearance to go along with his PED, "process fitting" suspension (?).....throw in the MAJOR Coleman gaffe......unpredictably losing Wood and Richie, but then using Glenn as trade bait to move up equates to 3/5 or 60% of your OL.....questionable?.....is Castillo the right guy to face that adversity with a strong training and developmental skill set?....determining that Peterman made the meteoric rise from a 5th to a bonafide starter because of "progress" in TC and pre-season with RUBBER BULLETS made McCarron expendable for a coveted (COUGH) 5th"?....maybe a 5th of Blanton's.....plenty of questionable personnel moves (probably left some out), but as you said, "we shall see"...with 10 picks and FA $$$ in 2019, it is probably one of THE most pivotal years in a decade+, or perhaps back to Polian era....same 5-10 position next year as we are in now may make McBeane & McDermott question job security nightly...."we shall see" as you said.......

[Doc]

45 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Every single team has some level of attrition. We're talking about two decent offensive linemen here. We're not talking about Dermontti Dawson and Bruce Matthews. That is not a valid excuse for some of the blowout losses that we've endured. The Chicago game always comes to mind when I ponder McDermott's future. That was a total meltdown and not the type you see from elite coaches. I don't believe the acquisitions of Murphy and Star aided the defense nearly enough to warrant the capital, which is why I'm more skeptical of Beane than even McDermott. At least I've seen some positive results from McDermott.

 

What I don't want is more excuses for 2019. It's make or break for these guys.

The concern I have is in regards to the players Beane DID bring in. Murphy and Lotuleilei have been underwhelming. Those signings don't exactly inspire a ton of confidence that Beane will spend wisely with all that cap space. We shall see.

 

Yeah, they likely wouldn't have affected the outcomes of the blowouts.  That's why I said 3 more wins, in the close games.

[Peter]

2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

I’ll give you 6 and a half million reasons.

 

Your math is not very good.

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

I think the running game and Allen would have been better and of course Allen would have been protected a little better,but not better enough to win no more than maybe 3 more games IMO. I think they still would have had problems with the WRs. We will never know.

As crazy as it sounds this Season may have had the best results for Allens future.

[BringBackOrton]

12 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Your math is not very good.

?

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well..if this theory is true then there’s no reason to focus on anything other than the OLine in 2019. The rest of the many, many offensive problems (WR, TE, RB, and QB) were all self inflicted wounds by this Front Office and Coaching staff.

Hold on bud.  I didnt say SB bound.  You see this is what you people do.  You take a logical assesment and make your response to the extreme.  You people only make yourselves look bad.  You dont address what was said with any thing of substance.  I think we could use another WR and We have our starter and back up at QB so with that you lost any credibility.  Our Oline with those two probably produces better results.  But I would like to see a Young RB and WR after the Oline is addressed.  Dont forget to let me know when Josh passes for less than 100 in multiple games as a QB, because we made the playoffs with a QB who did that in the same season.

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...good point.....safe to say it was an unanticipated speed bump......perhaps could have weathered one, but TWO was steep.....I'd also ask that despite coming off injury, was Cordy Glenn the right trade bait to move up?  that's 3/5 of your OL...not sure if Castillo was equipped to deal with that type of upheaval as well.....he had started 12 straight for the Bengals until his back flared up....division title may be a stretch principally due to the WR & TE corp.....then again, restoring 3/5 of your OL may make the run game better, giving Josh more time to hopefully find receivers......all "shoulda...coulda...woulda...water over the dam" but an interesting topic...so we forge ahead...

It may also keep Your starting TE and WR from checking out.  I dont think those 2 lost much skill wise.  I think they saw a raw Rookie QB and didnt put in the effort.  I expect both to play well where ever they end up next season.

 

They may have even wanted out.

Edited December 25, 2018 by formerlyofCtown

[formerlyofCtown]

5 hours ago, Peter said:

 

This is a good argument for . . . not initiating a pay cut for one of these guys and doing a better job of replacing the other (who you knew would not be coming back the first week of the off season).

 

Cordy was a huge loss also.

I do agree with your stance on Richie and believe they may be part of what messed up his head.  They made it seem like he volunteered but I think he was given an ultimatum.  At least we got something in return (For Glenn).  With wood I think the NFL should give a comp pick for unexpected injury retirements.  Although I think the patriots would likely abuse it.

Edited December 25, 2018 by formerlyofCtown

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Hold on bud.  I didnt say SB bound.  You see this is what you people do.  You take a logical assesment and make your response to the extreme.  You people only make yourselves look bad.  You dont address what was said with any thing of substance.  I think we could use another WR and We have our starter and back up at QB so with that you lost any credibility.  Our Oline with those two probably produces better results.  But I would like to see a Young RB and WR after the Oline is addressed.  Dont forget to let me know when Josh passes for less than 100 in multiple games as a QB, because we made the playoffs with a QB who did that in the same season.

It may also keep Your starting TE and WR from checking out.  I dont think those 2 lost much skill wise.  I think they saw a raw Rookie QB and didnt put in the effort.  I expect both to play well where ever they end up next season.

 

They may have even wanted out.

 

,...been there done that....Lynch and Peters come to mind, right?.........

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, Trogdor said:

Why do people keep saying he would've won that game. It took Peterman to come in to get any movement on offense. Think about how sad that is. Allen didn't look good in that game at all.

You could be correct. I just think Allen steps it up about ten notches in the fourth qtr with the game on the line.  That is one of the reasons I think he is legit.

[Peter]

26 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

?

 

You are smart.  Figure it out.

[Boatdrinks]

Probably 2-3 more wins. Better pass pro and running game would make the difference. 

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

,...been there done that....Lynch and Peters come to mind, right?.........

I remember that, Peters didnt really want out Ralph was just cheap and clueless to the value of that position.  Both times the compensation was a joke.  The Patriots got more for Maroney than we got for Lynch. 

6 hours ago, Pablocruise said:

There were obvious salary cap ramifications to Wood and Incognito retiring, but,Bills had time to find replacements. Could Beane have done a better job filling those two spots?How much worse was the Bodine/Groy combo at center? Ducasse/Teller at LG?

There were obvious salary cap ramifications to Wood and Incognito retiring, but,Bills had time to find replacements. Could Beane have done a better job filling those two spots?How much worse was the Bodine/Groy combo at center? Ducasse/Teller at LG?

They did, but probowl Olin dont grow on trees and cost a lot of Cap dollars.

6 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If we kept Robert Woods at least Allen would have one WR to throw to.

Woods, Foster, McKenzie not bad actually.  Woods has great hands and awareness.  I was disgusted when they let him go.  He was our version of Reggie Wayne.  A lot better than the stats suggested, especially if you watched him play.

Edited December 25, 2018 by formerlyofCtown

[JimKellyTryouts]

Thing is, Eric left before the draft and Incognito also had his issues before that time. We knew we needed to upgrade the position but Teller was the highest we invested into the picks we had left (fewer due to trading up) 

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

A Little crazier and a lot better 

I wonder what Cogs would have done to Anderson in retaliation for Hauschka.  I bet if Richie is on the line it doesnt even happen.

4 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Actually one of my big criticisms of them this season was that they didn’t seem to alter their plan at all when they lost those two.  I hate seeing the OL largely ignored.  It would’ve been bad enough in a typical season, but it was inexcusable in a season where they were going to trot out a raw rookie to run a vertical passing game.  A solid OL that could give him time and take pressure off of him by opening up the running game was the most important thing they could’ve done for Allen.  But they had a plan to get their QB, their cornerstone LB and and fix the defense and they executed it despite the changing conditions of the offense. The lack of talent at WR didn’t help either. They’ve got to fix it this offseason. 

I know people dont want to hear it but "Trust the Process".  Build the D, get your line set(this is where it got messed up), built your Offense to be high powered.  We watch team after team do it but people wonder what the process is.  That isnt all of what it is but its the blue print.

4 hours ago, fansince88 said:

It has been said here 100Xs Woods did not want to be here

True

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Can you blame him, he had to play with Taylor as QB for his time with the Bills.

That is where things will be different this offseason and hopefully a even more the one after next.

4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If we kept Robert Woods at least Allen would have one WR to throw to.

Im surprised no one has blamed this on McBeane.

[BringBackOrton]

43 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

You are smart.  Figure it out.

?

[LSHMEAB]

8 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

That is where things will be different this offseason and hopefully a even more the one after next.

Im surprised no one has blamed this on McBeane.

I think even those of us who don't believe in Beane realize he wasn't going to be able to keep him in Buffalo with the LOS ANGELES Rams highly interested. 

 

Not gonna bash the guy for something that wasn't his fault.

[formerlyofCtown]

5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I think even those of us who don't believe in Beane realize he wasn't going to be able to keep him in Buffalo with the LOS ANGELES Rams highly interested. 

 

Not gonna bash the guy for something that wasn't his fault.

Beane wasnt the GM at the time.  So yup it definitely wasnt his fault

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

Beane wasnt the GM at the time.  So yup it definitely wasnt his fault

Correct. No more excuses next season though, right? Playoffs are coming to Buffalo in 2019.

[formerlyofCtown]

Just now, LSHMEAB said:

Correct. No more excuses next season though, right? Playoffs are coming to Buffalo in 2019.

I think so baring injuries. I dont just want the playoffs tho.  I want to play competitive football.  Which we did at times this year.  

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I hated/hate the Star signing so that tends to shape my opinion on the 2018 off season. Not sure who was available at OL other than Bodine(who may actually be serviceable at C) and Funkhouser(who's trash.) Probably could have allocated the Star resources better(much better). We'll see what happens this offseason. I'm not willing to give these guys 5 years. 3 years is plenty to figure it out.

So if they dont do it in 3 years your going to walk into One Bills Drive and fire Beane?

5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yikes! There are a ton of sob stories on here. The Bills has virtually ZERO injuries on either side of the line of scrimmage throughout the entire season. There are teams around the league having to make personnel decisions on a weekly basis. Whereas the Bills saw a starting CB RETIRE during a game, then traded away their #1 WR, and cut their opening day QB. Yea....I’m sure this mess was due to an old Offensive Guard retiring!  Sheeesh

You got a tight grip on those straws.

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not true at all. They could have gone after Andrew Norwell instead of paying the money they did for Star and/or Trent Murphy. 

And then we would bit ch about our D an how McBeane should be fired.  Especially since we have a D minded coach.  It was a no win senerio.  They will be in a much better position depending on how FAs view Allen going forward.  I believe other players will have a positive outlook on where hes going.

[LSHMEAB]

2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

So if they dont do it in 3 years your going to walk into One Bills Drive and fire Beane?

No. I'll take to the internet and offer my unsolicited opinion that it's time for a change. You would likely be grasping at straws for the latest excuse du jour. That's kind of the point of this very message board; an opportunity for fans to voice views that mean virtually nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

My hope is that we're talking about results this time next year and not excuses OR firings.

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Peter said:

 

Who thought it was a great idea to initiate a pay cut with one of our few all pro players?

 

 

I think they believed he would take it and they were correct.  I believed it was something he volunteered to do but I do wonder if it was voluntary now.

4 hours ago, Moonzoo said:

 

I did not know McBeane deliberately decided not to get Norwell, or that Norwell was guaranteed to come here if they had.  That puts a new light on things. 

The other posters forgot to tell you so I will.

 

There appearantly are unwritten NFL rules.

1.FA have no choice of whether they sign here the rule appearantly states that if Buffalo offers a contract you are automatically signed.

2.All players fit every offense run in Buf.

3.If a player doesnt earn All Pro honors in his first 2 years he is a bust.

There are many others but its Christmas and im with family.  Its a long list.

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Nathan Peterman would have gone to the pro-bowl. The Bills would have won the division.

 

...And the Bills would have drafted Tom Brady in the 5th... assuming the time machine continues to work after the initial testing phase.

Nice empty take.  Glad to see you know nothing.

[aristocrat]

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