Bing Bong Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: And this years new holiday show ... Martavis Bryant and Josh Gordon's green Christmas. 3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: And this years new holiday show ... Martavis Bryant and Josh Gordon's green Christmas. BuffaloBud420!! 1 minute ago, freddyjj said: Why is everyone so sure it is weed. Alcohol use has gotten guys suspended - Hal Garner and Robb Riddick on the Bills btw back in the day. He was suspended for alcohol for a year. Aldo if I recall correctly it was pretty specious suspension for minor infraction if the reports are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Another thing I’m curious about - which matters little but I get curious about these situations.... violating terms of his reinstatement and another positive test may be the same thing but may be a number of others. What terms did he have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, freddyjj said: It is not a medical condition. It is a disease. Like cancer, diabetes etc there are genetic factors. Not too many of us know our complete family history - might be a factor in Josh's history? So to follow your train of thought someone can pick up and use for the first time not knowing they are triggering a latent disease. Thanks for the discussion points I would say that both definitions apply- as shown in the quotation of your linked article for the AMA. I would think that's definitely the case- I also can't imagine when he was first exposed and how exposure at younger ages must affect the overall fight with addiction throughout adulthood. It really is quite sad because, while he does hold some level of responsibility for this issue, there has to be a bunch of unknown factors that have impacted this guys life. My problem (not that I am an expert at all- just one mans opinion) with how we handle drug issues (or other addiction issues) in this country is that we seem to either take the "it's his bad choices that led him there, he gets what he deserves" or the "look at all the factors and external influences that caused this in him" approaches instead of finding a balance wherein we see that, while he has made bad decisions throughout his life, he has also had negative things/influences that didn't help. Not absolving the personal responsibility, but also understanding the real issue. I don't know if I would say triggering the latent disease because it doesn't become a disease/condition until the addiction is present- it seems more like failure to understand the risk factors. I can drink without risking alcoholism (at least not more than usual) but if I had a disposition for it, I would be creating conditions that are going to increase my chances of having that happen to me. Like smoking when cancer runs in the family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueandRed Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cmdjr85 said: Incorrect. And youre not a doctor or qualified to make these statements Correct. The children in the cancer ward didnt chose to do something that brought on the cancer. Calling addiction a disease is just another excuse for the addict. Edited December 20, 2018 by BlueandRed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: And this years new holiday show ... Martavis Bryant and Josh Gordon's green Christmas. Should just stick to harmless stuff like blow or heroin and beating women. Edited December 20, 2018 by C.Biscuit97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: It's self medicating. Anxiety disorders, depression are what cause drug use. It's not the best decision to start doing a drug you are susceptible, but people that feel mentally off are more likely to experience something that gives them relief. Sometimes it starts with prescription drugs for the very problem you have. For many addiction is a symptom to underlying mental health. Which affects your decision making.. your desparation for a change. All that. It's not their addicts because they took a drug because they're predisposed to like it. Sometimes they're predisposed to seek anything other than sobriety because sobriety is so hard on them. Ricky Williams and his crippling social anxiety disorder comes to mind. He knew marijuana would help for him. I don't think marijuana is particularly life threatening for people dependent on it, it certainly is for football, but Ricky made the choice to self medicate. You make a good point but there are different types of addicts.. and I think you are narrowing on a certain subgroup. Very good points. I wasn't trying to narrow down into the subgroups and all of that- rather just pointing out that there is a facet of choice in the action of taking drugs (your point about prescription drugs acting as gate-ways is so true and it pisses me off how quickly our medical professionals in this country are to throw pharmaceuticals at issues instead of looking for other ways to help/ side rant). I think that there are people who end up addicted by accident, or by external factors that aren't specifically their active choice. But there is some balance there wherein each time someone chooses to use, they are responsible for that action- even if they have been hindered by addiction/drug effects. It's the same way that mentally incapable people are still incarcerated in some form or another when they commit violent crimes. There are always consequences to our actions, even actions that we didn't fully realize in the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I hope the young man gets his life together. He's actually EXTREMELY intelligent if you've ever heard him speak. Sometimes overthinkers turn to drugs and alcohol. No reason to bash the young man when he's clearly down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsSB2020 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 hours ago, dorquemada said: life isn't going to be long for him if he can't straiten out. it's tragic, and I can't help but wonder if he had gotten some mental health help earlier in his life if this all couldnt have been avoided Mental health in this country can often be a joke. They give out a bunch of pills because big pharma likes it and ask a few questions then send you on your way. A more holistic approach is more effective, but money reigns supreme. Sticking to the subject, Josh Gordon seems like a smart troubled young man. I hope the best for him. It's not going to be in football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 This is why the NFL will never budge on marijuana... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 So much virtue signaling in EVERY direction in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: The sad part of this is that if he can’t get his ***** together with a ton of money on the line and all the help imaginable, it’s hard to imagine him doing it on his own when the league finally cuts its losses. I hope something major happens and he is met with the reality of his decisions, but history says he has a long long road. Some people need to hit rock bottom as awful as that may be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ricojes said: He should have just joined this board and posted something like "What's your definition of Mental Health?" Just to be sure... If dealing with the aftermath of that did not make him go back to hitting the pipe, nothing would. And a bit more about how the Patriots plan to fill the gap left by Gordon - and an almost interesting story around how Belichick informed Gilmore of making his 2nd pro-bowl. Its good to know he never breaks character. Game planning after Gordon's departure and other Patriot news "stuff" Edited December 20, 2018 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: BuffaloBud420!! He was suspended for alcohol for a year. Aldo if I recall correctly it was pretty specious suspension for minor infraction if the reports are correct Really unfortunate circumstances too. He thought he could drink because the BROWNS season was over. Had a couple drinks on the plane and was tested when he landed. Turned out the ban was for the football calendar which didn't end until after the Superbowl. Of course it was silly of Gordon not to know those rules and considering what has transpired since, probably wouldn't have mattered. Either way, not a big fan of throwing stones from glass houses. The word "loser" could certainly be thrown at people who work menial jobs, etc. Josh Gordon attained success in the NFL and made some mistakes so who's the LOSER? My answer would be neither because labeling others as such is a fools errand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan_34 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 hours ago, TuelTime said: Or he has mental health issues and uses marijuana to medicate. It is a shame that one of the best WRs in the game isn't able to smoke a little weed and play football but it is okay to pump them full of opiates so they can get back in the game. These guys are getting CTE from receiving repeated blows to the head. But yeah, lets worry about them puffing a little devil's lettuce. The rampant ignorance in this country is sickening. Not against pot- just sayin pot is actually in the class of psychotics/hallucinogens. This may not be the best drug for his mental health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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formerlyofCtown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said: Incorrect. And youre not a doctor or qualified to make these statements Maybe hes an addict or a former addict. As long as an individual is allowed to tell themself that it is out of their controll such as is the case with a disease then they will continue to be an addict. Now people with mental and emotional issues can tend to be impulsive and that is a mental illness but addiction is just a hard cycle of choices to escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 Patriots WR Josh Gordon Indefinitely Suspended Josh Gordon is stepping away from football to focus on his mental health. The New England Patriots receiver announced the decision on Thursday. "I take my mental health very seriously at this point to ensure I remain able to perform at the highest level," Gordon wrote in a statement. "I have recently felt like I could have a better grasp on things mentally. With that said, I will be stepping away from the football field for a bit to focus on my mental health. I would like to thank Coach Belichick, Mr. Kraft, as well as countless others with the Patriotsorganization for their continued support. I want to thank my fans for their support as well as I continue down the path to getting back to 100 percent." Gordon has a long history of mental health and substance abuse issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I'm sad for Josh Gordon. I'm not sad for New England, or the fact that New England has lost their most gifted receiver. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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