WhyteDwarf Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, RememberTheRockpile said: Obviously not true. Running to the ball would have carried him out of the endzone before he secured the catch, he would have had to try to get back across the line and probably didn't know if anyone was behind him. It's physics, go learn some. He still should have run to the ball. Also, if it was a better throw, he would not have had to, TD, Bills win. 6 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: But seriously this ain't the thread to voice JA criticism lol I know, it's a thread about fudging Allen's numbers, because the real numbers aren't looking so good Edited December 18, 2018 by WhyteDwarf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said: Running to the ball would have carried him out of the endzone before he secured the catch, he would have had to try to get back across the line and probably didn't know if anyone was behind him. It's physics, go learn some. He still should have run to the ball. Also, if it was a better throw, he would not have had to, TD, Bills win. I know, it's a thread about fudging Allen's numbers, because the real numbers aren't looking so good You don't understand statistics. It's very clear from your posts. Most people don't. You're just another guy who cherry picks crap stats to buttress your preconceived notion that Allen won't succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheRockpile Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, WhyteDwarf said: Running to the ball would have carried him out of the endzone before he secured the catch, he would have had to try to get back across the line and probably didn't know if anyone was behind him. It's physics, go learn some. So now you're going to move the goal post with pure speculation. You said: Quote Clay would have had to come out of the endzone to catch that ... The video evidence shows quite clearly you are wrong. Your response to the video evidence shows everybody how pathetic you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, RememberTheRockpile said: So now you're going to move the goal post with pure speculation. You said: The video evidence shows quite clearly you are wrong. Your response to the video evidence shows everybody how pathetic you are. Another one who didn't take physics in school. Thanks for raising your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I bet you can't ignore this! More cream puffs!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said: Another one who didn't take physics in school. Thanks for raising your hand. Another one who doesn't understand either physics or statistics. Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said: Not sure what these women have to do with Josh Allen, you guys are weird. She's pretty cute though. She? How old are you? You are either very young or very very old. 14 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said: Another one who didn't take physics in school. Thanks for raising your hand. What banned member are you? I mean, who hasn't been banned at one time or another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: She? How old are you? You are either very young or very very old. I'm neither very old or very young, however I don't know who either women is. I'm very selective with the entertainment I consume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said: From memory 3 by Zay, one by Deonte. So, 13+4 divided by 26 = 65.4%. Then you add in about 50 more yards. You should be happy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Rosen’s personnel is better and he has less wins. I am not a Rosen guy and have predicted that he will underwhelm. However, the Cardinals literally have been without ALL five starters on their oline most of the year. They have a couple guys starting who had been bagging groceries before getting the call. I’m not sure they have better personnel. 19 hours ago, thurst44 said: He's also 4-5 as a rookie with a team that has been favored in 2 out of 14 games, is 4-4 in games he completed, and with a team that is 1-5 when any other QB has played a significant time. There's nothing definitive yet, but it's a pretty promising start to a career. I find it hard not to be excited about the upcoming prospects of a team who overachieved its (admittedly negligible) expectations with an exciting, dynamic young QB, a top defense with most if not all likely returning next year, an abundance of salary cap room and draft picks. I continue to believe Allen’s completion pct is a concern, but I am very open to the idea that more time, and an upgraded roster will help. The debate won’t be decided until next year when the Bills have invested in the roster like the Bears did for Trubisky this past offseason 19 hours ago, eball said: Actually 4-4 in games he started and finished. He left in the 3rd Q of the Houston game with the Bills trailing 10-3. The Bills scored a FG on the drive on which he was injured to make it 10-6, then we know what happened afterwards. QB wins and losses are solely based upon who started the game so it is what it is, but Allen had the Bills "in position" when he was hurt. All of that nonsense aside, when you look at the talent around him on offense for Allen to be essentially a .500 QB in his rookie season is impressive (to me). The "problem" with Josh Allen is that so many people are completely invested in him being a bust because they didn't like his "advanced stats" predictors that they will continue to look for the negatives until he wins an MVP or throws for 40 TDs with an 80% completion percentage. It's sad. The “problem” is that the stat predictors all said his completion pct would be low. His completion pct is low. It’s THE entire issue around Allen then and it still is. It’s not as if people are nitpicking this issue. This is what the concern was coming in. 19 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: Throwing it 40 yards downfield plus another 30 yards across the field from across his body? Kind of hard to put that on him. Could it have been better? Sure I guess but how many NFL QBs actually get that ball anywhere close? Mahomes. ? If if anyone cares to refute these points, your argument carries more weight when it includes graphic depictions of big. Glasses.......and voluminous........hair. Edited December 18, 2018 by Zerovotlz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said: Running to the ball would have carried him out of the endzone before he secured the catch, he would have had to try to get back across the line and probably didn't know if anyone was behind him. It's physics, go learn some. He still should have run to the ball. Also, if it was a better throw, he would not have had to, TD, Bills win. I know, it's a thread about fudging Allen's numbers, because the real numbers aren't looking so good Hey my post about Allen having the #1 adjusted package on the league doesn't fudge numbers though. Between his and Joe webbs it's clearly a metric we should be using Edited December 18, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 22 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said: He's 4-5 as a starter right? In all but one game he didn't start they were a complete dumpster fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said: Running to the ball would have carried him out of the endzone before he secured the catch, he would have had to try to get back across the line and probably didn't know if anyone was behind him. It's physics, go learn some. He still should have run to the ball. Also, if it was a better throw, he would not have had to, TD, Bills win. I know, it's a thread about fudging Allen's numbers, because the real numbers aren't looking so good There isnt a player in the NFL that makes a better pass there. Maybe Rodgers? Maybe Mahomes? Not likely. What happens instead for Rodgers Graham makes that catch. For Mahomes Kelce makes that catch. Run back to the ball. Catch the ball on the 2. If you dont get in there is still 30 secs to spike it and get 2 more cracks at it. What about the play before it were Jones drops a back shoulder fade that hit him in the stomach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 What makes me optimistic is not any stat or advanced metric. He is the first Qb in a long time here that throws the team on his back and competes. Allen does not have the aid of a good or above average Offensive line. Allen does not have the aid of a competent running game. He does not have a wealth of above average pass catchers. How about the cliche a good QB makes those around him better? Foster cleared waivers 10 weeks ago every other team in the NFL said no thank you. He is now top in the NFL in yards per catch and has multiple 100 yard games. McKenzie has been cut multiple times, thought of as a return man only. After the last few weeks looks like a pretty nice slot wr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mat68 said: There isnt a player in the NFL that makes a better pass there. Maybe Rodgers? Maybe Mahomes? Not likely. What happens instead for Rodgers Graham makes that catch. For Mahomes Kelce makes that catch. Run back to the ball. Catch the ball on the 2. If you dont get in there is still 30 secs to spike it and get 2 more cracks at it. What about the play before it were Jones drops a back shoulder fade that hit him in the stomach? I agree that there were things Clay should have done to make the catch. However, for those saying the there was nothing wrong with the throw, I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, WhyteDwarf said: I agree that there were things Clay should have done to make the catch. However, for those saying the there was nothing wrong with the throw, I disagree. Its wasnt I deal. You do have to take into account context. Full speed running straight, stopping and throwing to the right corner of the endzone from the far side numbers about 40 yards in the air without feet or shoulders square is a 12 on a scale of 1 to 10 difficulty. Allen is one of 3 players in the sport who could pull that off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said: I'm neither very old or very young, however I don't know who either women is. I'm very selective with the entertainment I consume. Katy Perry that's who both women are. If you had a pre teen or teenage daughter or neighbors with them in the last decade you would know. She kissed a girl and she liked it. Did you watch the SB in 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Katy Perry that's who both women are. If you had a pre teen or teenage daughter or neighbors with them in the last decade you would know. She kissed a girl and she liked it. Did you watch the SB in 2015? He also didnt seem to understand GIFs, has he been on the internet before yesterday? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, Mat68 said: What makes me optimistic is not any stat or advanced metric. He is the first Qb in a long time here that throws the team on his back and competes. Allen does not have the aid of a good or above average Offensive line. Allen does not have the aid of a competent running game. He does not have a wealth of above average pass catchers. How about the cliche a good QB makes those around him better? Foster cleared waivers 10 weeks ago every other team in the NFL said no thank you. He is now top in the NFL in yards per catch and has multiple 100 yard games. McKenzie has been cut multiple times, thought of as a return man only. After the last few weeks looks like a pretty nice slot wr. I think that is unfair to Fitz. Fitz didn't do it consistently but without much talent around him (especially at receiver) he took the team on his back and Fitzmagic'd us some wins. Obviously I think Allen has potential to do it better and consistently.... but Fitz played with fire, took the team on his back and led us down the field to win games too and he was as competitive as hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyteDwarf Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Oh, a pop singer, yeah, no wonder why. I don't keep up on those... Yeah, I watch every SB, but never watch the halftime show. 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: He also didnt seem to understand GIFs, has he been on the internet before yesterday? LOL Nah, I know what Gif's are, I just didn't know what either of them had to do with football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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