WhyteDwarf Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 This thread makes no sense, it's a passing league, everyone knows that. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 All aspects are important. QB was and still is #1 no matter what happened this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, MDH said: Finding a single week that proves a point and saying “see!” doesn’t really prove the point. Obviously D is important, but this is an offensive league and the best teams in it have potent offenses that can run and pass well. Exactly, you could go back to another week this season and point out it's a running league, or another to find it's a defensive league, or another to find it's a Special Teams League. Looking at the results this week, there were a bunch of upsets or surprise results that dont necessarily say anything about the league definitively except that 'theres a reason they play the games every week' A nobody QB in San Fran beat a Seattle team fighting for a playoff spot. Nick Foles took down the Rams, Josh Johnson and the beat up Redskins beat a very good Jaguars defence. Patriots lose 2 in a row. Jets came close to beating a playoff Texans team. Vikings may have ran the ball more because they took an early 21-7 lead against Miami. The Cowboys were shutout against the Colts, the Titans shut out a Giants team that was a favorite and on a roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 36 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Its about having a complete team. A one-sided team eventually gets exposed in a long season. Who are the complete teams though right now? Saints? Chargers are the most complete to me, if Gordon is healthy for the playoffs. They have elite RB, QB, WR and solid OL. Elite pass rush and secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, MDH said: Finding a single week that proves a point and saying “see!” doesn’t really prove the point. Obviously D is important, but this is an offensive league and the best teams in it have potent offenses that can run and pass well. When the regular season is over, the teams reaching the playoffs will have good or better passing games. Right now, we know that in the AFC, that means KC, SD, HOU, PIT, NE, and perhaps IND. Over in the NFC, it's LAR, NO, MIN, and CHI. The exception is SEA and DAL, although the latter started improving when they acquired a WR. That's as many as 10 out of the 12 teams with excellent passing games. Passing has not been supplanted with running the ball and strong defense. And barring some rules changes, it's going to remain that way. One or two weeks' worth of games isn't going to change it, but people have a tendency to analyze things at the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 45 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: More than a Chiefs/Rams super bowl. Consider this...the Rams lost last night to the Eagles, who are a MASH unit. What's going to happen when they face the Saints IN THE DOME? Toast. I would def pick the Saints myself. Brees and that offense in the DOME are just on another level when it’s rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I would def pick the Saints myself. Brees and that offense in the DOME are just on another level when it’s rolling. Honestly, if the Saints have home field, they may as well not even undertake the NFC playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The league is all about trends and ebbs and flows. Ten years ago the Wildcat was the major trend every team tried to adopt after Miami slapped New England with it. Eventually defenses caught up and the Wildcat went away. Six years ago it was all about athletic QB's and designed QB runs, (Colin Kaepernick shredding Green Bay for 181 yards on the ground in the 2012 playoffs). Defenses adjusted and now you don't see it as often as you used to. Nowadays offenses are taking elements of the college spread game and mixing it with pro offenses in order to bring their young QBs up to speed a little faster. This caused a huge upward swing in offensive production and scoring but as the season went on, defenses caught up, as they do every year. RPOs are still trending but teams have also found ways to stop those. There are only so many plays you can run. The chess match stuff between coaches comes down to formations and situational football. Being aware of what your opponent is doing when you give them a certain look so you can hopefully circle back to that same look later in the game and make them expect the same type of play from earlier only to spin around and execute something totally different. Take McKenzie and the jet sweep motion Daboll often puts him in. Against the Jags they showed that motion four or five times to get the Jags thinking that he was in motion just so Allen could see whether or not the defense was in man or zone. Then, they get inside the red zone and run that motion again except this time it's a quick handoff to him and he walks into the end zone. Worked again a couple weeks later against the Jets. No matter how many rules the league creates to favor the offense, defenses will always catch up. And then offenses will adjust and come out with a different attack and that'll work for a bit but then defenses catch on and stop it. Back and forth it goes as it has for decades. Lot of low scores yesterday as well... 14-13, 17-16, 16-13, 23-0, 24-17, 20-12, 17-0, 17-10, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: The league is all about trends and ebbs and flows. Ten years ago the Wildcat was the major trend every team tried to adopt after Miami slapped New England with it. Eventually defenses caught up and the Wildcat went away. Six years ago it was all about athletic QB's and designed QB runs, (Colin Kaepernick shredding Green Bay for 181 yards on the ground in the 2012 playoffs). Defenses adjusted and now you don't see it as often as you used to. Nowadays offenses are taking elements of the college spread game and mixing it with pro offenses in order to bring their young QBs up to speed a little faster. This caused a huge upward swing in offensive production and scoring but as the season went on, defenses caught up, as they do every year. RPOs are still trending but teams have also found ways to stop those. There are only so many plays you can run. The chess match stuff between coaches comes down to formations and situational football. Being aware of what your opponent is doing when you give them a certain look so you can hopefully circle back to that same look later in the game and make them expect the same type of play from earlier only to spin around and execute something totally different. Take McKenzie and the jet sweep motion Daboll often puts him in. Against the Jags they showed that motion four or five times to get the Jags thinking that he was in motion just so Allen could see whether or not the defense was in man or zone. Then, they get inside the red zone and run that motion again except this time it's a quick handoff to him and he walks into the end zone. Worked again a couple weeks later against the Jets. No matter how many rules the league creates to favor the offense, defenses will always catch up. And then offenses will adjust and come out with a different attack and that'll work for a bit but then defenses catch on and stop it. Back and forth it goes as it has for decades. Lot of low scores yesterday as well... 14-13, 17-16, 16-13, 23-0, 24-17, 20-12, 17-0, 17-10, etc. Listen to this man. He is wise. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Exactly, you could go back to another week this season and point out it's a running league, or another to find it's a defensive league, or another to find it's a Special Teams League. Looking at the results this week, there were a bunch of upsets or surprise results that dont necessarily say anything about the league definitively except that 'theres a reason they play the games every week' A nobody QB in San Fran beat a Seattle team fighting for a playoff spot. Nick Foles took down the Rams, Josh Johnson and the beat up Redskins beat a very good Jaguars defence. Patriots lose 2 in a row. Jets came close to beating a playoff Texans team. Vikings may have ran the ball more because they took an early 21-7 lead against Miami. The Cowboys were shutout against the Colts, the Titans shut out a Giants team that was a favorite and on a roll. How about its a "WINNING" league, the winning teams do what it takes to win with emotional attachments to running or passing! Why no one on TBD is employed in any capacity bu the NFL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, blacklabel said: The league is all about trends and ebbs and flows. Ten years ago the Wildcat was the major trend every team tried to adopt after Miami slapped New England with it. Eventually defenses caught up and the Wildcat went away. Six years ago it was all about athletic QB's and designed QB runs, (Colin Kaepernick shredding Green Bay for 181 yards on the ground in the 2012 playoffs). Defenses adjusted and now you don't see it as often as you used to. Nowadays offenses are taking elements of the college spread game and mixing it with pro offenses in order to bring their young QBs up to speed a little faster. This caused a huge upward swing in offensive production and scoring but as the season went on, defenses caught up, as they do every year. RPOs are still trending but teams have also found ways to stop those. There are only so many plays you can run. The chess match stuff between coaches comes down to formations and situational football. Being aware of what your opponent is doing when you give them a certain look so you can hopefully circle back to that same look later in the game and make them expect the same type of play from earlier only to spin around and execute something totally different. Take McKenzie and the jet sweep motion Daboll often puts him in. Against the Jags they showed that motion four or five times to get the Jags thinking that he was in motion just so Allen could see whether or not the defense was in man or zone. Then, they get inside the red zone and run that motion again except this time it's a quick handoff to him and he walks into the end zone. Worked again a couple weeks later against the Jets. No matter how many rules the league creates to favor the offense, defenses will always catch up. And then offenses will adjust and come out with a different attack and that'll work for a bit but then defenses catch on and stop it. Back and forth it goes as it has for decades. Lot of low scores yesterday as well... 14-13, 17-16, 16-13, 23-0, 24-17, 20-12, 17-0, 17-10, etc. Yes! It's a "winning;" win or go home - why no emotional attachments to specific offense or defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, MDH said: Finding a single week that proves a point and saying “see!” doesn’t really prove the point. Obviously D is important, but this is an offensive league and the best teams in it have potent offenses that can run and pass well. beyond obvious... it takes a very stubborn blind dissonance to pretend this isn't a passing league i hope OP insisting this silly argument cannot vote or drive or raise children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Its about having a complete team. A one-sided team eventually gets exposed in a long season. Who are the complete teams though right now? Saints? Don’t forget Anthony Lynn’s Chargers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, iinii said: Don’t forget Anthony Lynn’s Chargers You know what? I'm making that my call for the Super Bowl. Chargers/Saints. Heck with the buttery-soft rams and chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I love posts like this that don't actually have any real long-term vision. Dominant defenses are not sustainable for long-term success. If you actually really look at this league, the teams that are perennial contenders are the teams with franchise QB's and competent offenses. It's awesome to have a great defense, but no team in the league is able to keep one for an extended period of time. The Bears D I'm sure will stay at least good for a while, but watch, their window for being at this level is going to be pretty small as they start to lose guys. I don't think anyone's ever been against having a good D or run game...but the priority and rightfully so was about getting that franchise QB. It's so much easier to get everything else to fall into place once you have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I love posts like this that don't actually have any real long-term vision. Dominant defenses are not sustainable for long-term success. If you actually really look at this league, the teams that are perennial contenders are the teams with franchise QB's and competent offenses. It's awesome to have a great defense, but no team in the league is able to keep one for an extended period of time. The Bears D I'm sure will stay at least good for a while, but watch, their window for being at this level is going to be pretty small as they start to lose guys. I don't think anyone's ever been against having a good D or run game...but the priority and rightfully so was about getting that franchise QB. It's so much easier to get everything else to fall into place once you have that. Tampa Bay won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer; Jim McMahon did not light up the sky, and Bob Griese had Czonka and the no name defense; there are no absolutes in the NFL but winning!! There are no emotional attachments by NFL head coaches to offense or defense - running or passing; the only attachment is the score board and won loss column; we are an excitement driven society with a millennial fan base that demands arena football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, vorpma said: How about its a "WINNING" league, the winning teams do what it takes to win with emotional attachments to running or passing! Why no one on TBD is employed in any capacity bu the NFL! But what did those teams do to become winning teams? What do they all have in common? The teams that continue to stay on top do so because they can adapt to the changes or become trend setters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, vorpma said: Tampa Bay won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer; Jim McMahon did not light up the sky, and Bob Griese had Czonka and the no name defense; there are no absolutes in the NFL but winning!! There are no emotional attachments by NFL head coaches to offense or defense - running or passing; the only attachment is the score board and won loss column; we are an excitement driven society with a millennial fan base that demands arena football! How long did Tampa stay a SB contender after they won? What sunk them? There's also plenty of elite defenses that never win it. I want a team that's going to be a perennial contender, and you have the best odds of doing that if you have a franchise QB. This has been proven for as long as football has been around. I don't really even know what the argument is anymore because that is the direction we went in, but I guess I'm glad we have the people in place that we do that had proper value placed on a franchise QB instead of people that aren't able to comprehend that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaLoko Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Yes, not having Blount gain 3 yards a rush is killing both the Pats and Eagles seasons. I think he meant...during their respective SB games, specifically... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 You win in the trenches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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