Nice game but Allen needs to pass

[TheElectricCompany]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Allen is hardly a finished product, and yesterday was only one game. But he should have had more completions on deeper throws than he did; drops affected his numbers. His deep accuracy yesterday was remarkably good, and his arm strength is something every team will have to game plan against. He has the strongest arm I have ever seen, and it's not even really a close call. He was throwing 50-yards-in-the-air throws on a freaking rope.

 

I don't think we've seen enough deep balls from Josh to make that claim.

Of course he's got arm talent, but accuracy is the key ingredient. 

Mike Vick is my #1, a true "flick of the wrist" and the ball was gone. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[Victory Formation]

I'd like to see the RBs used as receivers more, they aren't picking up yards on the ground but how about through the air? Make Allen's life easier, move the chains and pickup easy yards. Great way to boost his numbers.

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

I don't think we've seen enough deep balls from Josh to make that claim.

Of course he's got arm talent, but accuracy is the key ingredient. 

Mike Vick is my #1, a true "flick of the wrist" and the ball was gone. 

Not on a rope like Allen, though. Allen is capable of throwing frozen ropes 60 yards downfield. I've never seen a qb who could do that, and I include Jeff George (who had a stronger arm than Vick) when I say this. There is a reason why a qb from a nothing school who had only ok college stats was seriously under consideration for #1 overall.

[TheElectricCompany]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

There is a reason why a qb from a nothing school who had only ok college stats was seriously under consideration for #1 overall.

 

As discussed pre-draft, there are still plenty of scouting personnel who focus more on physical tools, and what a player could be if they are in their "system" , versus what they have actually done. 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, TheElectricCompany said:

 

As discussed pre-draft, there are still plenty of scouting personnel who focus more on physical tools, and what a player could be if they are in their "system" , versus what they have actually done. 

Oh, I know. The jury on Allen is still waaaaaaaaay out. 

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Not on a rope like Allen, though. Allen is capable of throwing frozen ropes 60 yards downfield. I've never seen a qb who could do that, and I include Jeff George (who had a stronger arm than Vick) when I say this. There is a reason why a qb from a nothing school who had only ok college stats was seriously under consideration for #1 overall.

Agreed Allen has a cannon.  But what you said is what terrifies me about Allen.  He seems like a good dude who is a hard worker.  But I rarely have seen a guy have more excuses made for him than him.  He helped us win a game so I’m not trying to crush him.  But in a league with 50 point games, we won with 8 completions.  As for the drops,  which there were, the Bills only have 10 this year.  http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

 

his physical skills are awesome.  This regime did a terrible job surrounding him with weapons.  But at some point, you need to be better than a 52% passer.  And he has never been higher than 56% on any level.  At some point, we just have to admit he needs to get more accurate.  

[26CornerBlitz]

On 11/21/2018 at 3:52 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 Greater pre/post snap recognition along with better poise, improved pocket presence, the ability to manipulate coverage and make accurate throws with touch, timing, and anticipation.  All signs that the game is slowing down for him. 

 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Agreed Allen has a cannon.  But what you said is what terrifies me about Allen.  He seems like a good dude who is a hard worker.  But I rarely have seen a guy have more excuses made for him than him.  He helped us win a game so I’m not trying to crush him.  But in a league with 50 point games, we won with 8 completions.  As for the drops,  which there were, the Bills only have 10 this year.  http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

 

his physical skills are awesome.  This regime did a terrible job surrounding him with weapons.  But at some point, you need to be better than a 52% passer.  And he has never been higher than 56% on any level.  At some point, we just have to admit he needs to get more accurate.  

Oh, absolutely, and the jury is still out. But amidst the negatives, the positives are VERY positive: blazing foot speed for a qb, ideal size, lightning quick release, amazing arm, and -- no small thing -- a ton of moxie. He's also bright too. They have to stick with him for the long haul, and we fans need to be patient. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[jrober38]

48 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

This is easier said then done with a QB that has the arm strength and medium/long pass accuracy that Allen has.  Sure, teams can adjust to stop the planned QB runs but that will open up other opportunities downfield.  

 

Serious question for folks, if you put Allen on KC right now do you think he would be throwing fro 300 yards?  I do. 

 

I don't. I think that's a ridiculous claim. 

 

Mahomes is a natural passer. 

 

Allen is currently just a really good athlete playing QB.

 

There's a huge difference. Mahomes isn't throwing WR screens into the turf like Allen did yesterday. 

 

Suggesting Allen would be putting up MVP #s on another team, when he's currently completing like 50% of his throws and throwing for like 150 yards a game is totally crazy. 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I literally have no idea what your point is. 

 

Thats what makes this so incoherent.  You haven't made a coherent argument.  I can't event construct one from what you have said.  

 

 

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

 Sure, he didn't do it in one game last year

 

9/20/18.    19 yards 

1/7/18.       134 yards zero TD’s one int 

12/3/17.      65 yards zero TD’s one int 

11/12/17.    56 yards zero TD’s one int 

10/8/17.       166 yards 1 td 1 int 

9/7/17.          125 yards zero TD’s 

 

That’s only one game if you enjoy lying ? 

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't. I think that's a ridiculous claim. 

 

Mahomes is a natural passer. 

 

Allen is currently just a really good athlete playing QB.

 

There's a huge difference. Mahomes isn't throwing WR screens into the turf like Allen did yesterday. 

 

Suggesting Allen would be putting up MVP #s on another team, when he's currently completing like 50% of his throws and throwing for like 150 yards a game is totally crazy. 

 

What’s crazy is your continued bashing of Allen.    

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

9/20/18.    19 yards 

1/7/18.       134 yards zero TD’s one int 

12/3/17.      65 yards zero TD’s one int 

11/12/17.    56 yards zero TD’s one int 

10/8/17.       166 yards 1 td 1 int 

9/7/17.          125 yards zero TD’s 

 

That’s only one game if you enjoy lying ? 

 

What’s crazy is your continued bashing of Allen.    

 

Where did I bash Allen?

 

It's completely insane to think Allen would be throwing for 300 yards a game on a different team. 

 

That's one of the most ridiculous claims I've heard on this board in ages. 

 

Allen played a good game, and led his team to a win. But saying he'd be producing the numbers Pat Mahomes is putting up is seriously just crazy talk. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Where did I bash Allen?

 

It's completely insane to think Allen would be throwing for 300 yards a game on a different team. 

 

That's one of the most ridiculous claims I've heard on this board in ages. 

 

Allen played a good game, and led his team to a win. But saying he'd be producing the numbers Pat Mahomes is putting up is seriously just crazy talk. 

Folks, this is the guy who would have traded an entire draft to get Jameis Winston.  Take his opinions with a large grain of salt.

 

Allen threw one really bad pass yesterday - the WR screen.  And what does our Winston worshipper bring up?  You guess it - that one pass.

 

It's either hysterical or sad t red this stuff.  Not sure which.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Folks, this is the guy who would have traded an entire draft to get Jameis Winston.  Take his opinions with a large grain of salt.

 

Allen threw one really bad pass yesterday - the WR screen.  And what does our Winston worshipper bring up?  You guess it - that one pass.

 

It's either hysterical or sad t red this stuff.  Not sure which.

 

8 of 19 and he threw one bad pass? The standards are so low on this board. 

 

Allen managed the game well, but he still leaves a ton to be desired as a passer. 

 

The fact that you guys are incapable of allowing anyone to be critical of him is pathetic. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

13 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

9/20/18.    19 yards 

1/7/18.       134 yards zero TD’s one int 

12/3/17.      65 yards zero TD’s one int 

11/12/17.    56 yards zero TD’s one int 

10/8/17.       166 yards 1 td 1 int 

9/7/17.          125 yards zero TD’s 

 

That’s only one game if you enjoy lying ? 

 

What’s crazy is your continued bashing of Allen.    

 

One of those games is not the bills. 

 

The other is the snow game that TT didn't play in.  

 

Is the point that Allen had bad games?  

 

My point was only that Tyrod consistently would give you less than 200 yards and a bunch of rushing yards.  None of what you are posting disproves that.  

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

8 of 19 and he threw one bad pass? The standards are so low on this board. 

 

Allen managed the game well, but he still leaves a ton to be desired as a passer. 

 

The fact that you guys are incapable of allowing anyone to be critical of him is pathetic. 

The fact that you think you are the arbiter of what constitutes a quality NFL QB is the pathetic thing.

 

I said already, he has a long way to go, but he had a good game yesterday.  Why can we not be happy about that?  More to the point, why can you not be happy about that?  Is it because it makes your opinion of him look erroneous?

[jrober38]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

The fact that you think you are the arbiter of what constitutes a quality NFL QB is the pathetic thing.

 

I said already, he has a long way to go, but he had a good game yesterday.  Why can we not be happy about that?  More to the point, why can you not be happy about that?  Is it because it makes your opinion of him look erroneous?

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

How do you know if I'm happy or not? Yesterday's game was great. The second half was fun to watch and the whole team showed great heart. 

 

Just because I say Allen has a long way to go as a passer, you immediately get triggered and freak out. 

 

Sad. 

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

One of those games is not the bills. 

 

The other is the snow game that TT didn't play in.  

 

Is the point that Allen had bad games?  

 

My point was only that Tyrod consistently would give you less than 200 yards and a bunch of rushing yards.  None of what you are posting disproves that.  

 

Snow game was 12/10.      Really, use google for everyone’s sake 

 

The “one bad game for Taylor” is a false statement that we can move past.

 

Good win, Go Bills, no reason to argue any further. 

 

Taylor led us to 3 points, Allen led us to 24.   It is what it is my friend.    

 

On to Miami 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

How do you know if I'm happy or not? Yesterday's game was great. The second half was fun to watch and the whole team showed great heart. 

 

Just because I say Allen has a long way to go as a passer, you immediately get triggered and freak out. 

 

Sad. 

What I'm talking about is simple.  Your continued epistles about QBing in the NFL, as if you have some greater insight than the next guy.

 

Allen would do better in KC undoubtedly given their WR corps.  How much better who knows.  H has a way to go.  But he clearly showed yesterday that he is progressing.  But what was your statement? To paraphrease, he's an athlete trying to play QB.

 

Your bias is ridiculous.  It is clear you cannot be objective because you decided when he was drafted that he wouldn't work out, and now your comments are all slanted towards trying to justify that pre-conceived notion.