Chicken Boo Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 If he needs surgery, then get him to Dr. James Andrews and call it a day. Dont wait until the recovery time is spilling into 2019 OTAs and/or training camp. If McBeane botches this, I'm officially done with this regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: New QB's don't learn much from the sidelines. They are only ever there if there is already an entrenched starter on the roster. Allen needs to fix his mechanics and that takes a lot of time. Usually don't fix mechanics by playing, especially on this dumpster fire of an offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsMafia13 said: You keep missing the point. You say Mahomes didnt get great sitting behind Smith, so he must have already been a world beating MVP last year right? If Mahomes was this great last year, he would have over taken Smith. Im saying he got great because he was allowed to sit and learn from the sidelines. Get it? This isn't hard. Mahomes probably would have had a great rookie season on that team because he's obviously a unique talent on a loaded team. Great situation (and rare). But he was drafted as Smith's ultimate replacement. You are being disingenuous if you think he was drafted to displace Smith immediately. There would have been no reason to insert Mahomes (to even see how good he might be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: This isn't hard. Mahomes probably would have had a great rookie season on that team because he's obviously a unique talent on a loaded team. Great situation (and rare). But he was drafted as Smith's ultimate replacement. You are being disingenuous if you think he was drafted to displace Smith immediately. There would have been no reason to insert Mahomes (to even see how good he might be). Mahomes was coached very hard by the KC staff last season while he sat to augment physical techniques and mental processing. He needed refinement before he was ready to be unleashed. He also benefited from having Alex Smith around to show him the way as Smith knew he'd be gone after the 2017 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: If he needs surgery, then get him to Dr. James Andrews and call it a day. Dont wait until the recovery time is spilling into 2019 OTAs and/or training camp. If McBeane botches this, I'm officially done with this regime. Good God. He either went to see Andrews or they had Andrews review his MRI etc. and he said he doesn't need surgery. Does it absolutely guarantee he may not? No. But he was evaluated thoroughly. Enough of the conspiracy theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Mahomes was coached very hard by the KC staff last season while he sat to augment physical techniques and mental processing. He needed refinement before he was ready to be unleashed. He also benefited from having Alex Smith around to show him the way as Smith knew he'd be gone after the 2017 season. Tell that to billsmafia13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: This isn't hard. Mahomes probably would have had a great rookie season on that team because he's obviously a unique talent on a loaded team. Great situation (and rare). But he was drafted as Smith's ultimate replacement. You are being disingenuous if you think he was drafted to displace Smith immediately. There would have been no reason to insert Mahomes (to even see how good he might be). You gotta pick a side man. If you think he was this good last year he would have started ahead of Smith. UNLESS he got so great because he sat and learned. There was no reason up insert Mahomes because he was not better than Smith at that point. Bottom line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just hurts his development for next year. Anyone thinking he's going to come out and put up a 11-5 season in 2019 is in for a disappointment. At best 2019 will be a 7-9 year. in 2020 we will know if he's our QB or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Tell that to billsmafia13 I heard dont worry. Sure sounds like he said " he sat to refine his throw and mental processing. Also benefited from Alex Smith showing him around" Which sounds a lot like, he sat behind Smith to learn and clean up his game. You do see you proved my point exactly right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsMafia13 said: You gotta pick a side man. If you think he was this good last year he would have started ahead of Smith. UNLESS he got so great because he sat and learned. There was no reason up insert Mahomes because he was not better than Smith at that point. Bottom line How would they know how good he was last year unless they benched Smith. And why would they bench Smith, who had another Pro Bowl year for Mahomes? On a hunch? Because he practiced well? So....even if Mahomes last season was the fully formed Mahomes we see now, we never would have known. Pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 There's a chance Allen needs Tommy John surgery. The way he reacted to the test they did pulling his finger on the sideline and how much pain he showed suggested there was major damage to the ligament in his elbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How would they know how good he was last year unless they benched Smith. And why would they bench Smith, who had another Pro Bowl year for Mahomes? On a hunch? Because he practiced well? So....even if Mahomes last season was the fully formed Mahomes we see now, we never would have known. Pretty simple. Well thats why they are the pinnacle of the coaching world. Thats why Reid sat him for a year, so he COULD LEARN behind Smith. If learning from Smith wasnt what made him great, then what was? You must have a better reason for him catapulting to greatness if it wasnt learning behind Smith. Simple your arguing against yourself, neither are winning. "So even if Mahomes wasnt fully formed" You literally said it yourself Edited October 30, 2018 by BillsMafia13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 14 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: I'm worried that elbow is worse than we think Me too. I'm wondering if it will come to surgery, and a lost 2019 season, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. K said: Me too. I'm wondering if it will come to surgery, and a lost 2019 season, too. My guess is they're waiting a few weeks to see if it begins to heel and responds to treatment, and if it doesn't he's going to need Tommy John and will be lost for 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 On one hand, I think it's important for Allen to get as many reps as possible, but on the other... I can see how they're cautious about putting him back in the lineup with this OL. Don't wanna make the existing injury any worse or create any new ones. But there's really no replacement for on-field experience. And this being a lost season it makes it a good time for Allen to gain experience because there's really no pressure. If he makes a mistake, eh, big deal. Has to make mistakes in order to learn. I'd rather he make those mistakes in a season that's meant for mistakes and gaining experience rather than plug him in next year and expect more wins because (hopefully) they'll have added more pieces to the offense in 2019. I knew when they labeled it "week to week" it was worse than what they were letting on. Saying it's week to week allows them to avoid being held to a specific time table and if a setback occurs and they have to shut him down for the season, they won't have to face any questions like, "But I thought you said he'd be ready after the bye?" I dunno... I think if he's 100% recovered from the elbow with a few games left in the season, let him play. Needs the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: You gotta pick a side man. If you think he was this good last year he would have started ahead of Smith. UNLESS he got so great because he sat and learned. There was no reason up insert Mahomes because he was not better than Smith at that point. Bottom line The team was winning , and though Smith had his ups and downs Reid wasn’t benching him for a rookie. Smith had earned the benefit of the doubt throughout his time in KC. That’s it. Mahomes probably benefitted somewhat from not having to play at the beginning of the season, but a player doesn’t “ become great “ sitting on the bench. Regardless of who is in front of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: Just hurts his development for next year. Anyone thinking he's going to come out and put up a 11-5 season in 2019 is in for a disappointment. At best 2019 will be a 7-9 year. in 2020 we will know if he's our QB or not. 2019 will likely see the youngest offense in the NFL with many rookies as starters. Hopefully the team developes as the season progresses but 2019 is still process. It's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The team was winning , and though Smith had his ups and downs Reid wasn’t benching him for a rookie. Smith had earned the benefit of the doubt throughout his time in KC. That’s it. Mahomes probably benefitted somewhat from not having to play at the beginning of the season, but a player doesn’t “ become great “ sitting on the bench. Regardless of who is in front of them. I agree that doesnt define how great a player will be, but its a gigantic leg up from starting 16 games on this bills offense. But if Mahomes didnt become so great from learning behind Smith, as in he was already that great they would have started him immediately because Mahomes>Smith. Reid recognized that, traded up for him, and gave him a year that he needed to develop. If he was already developed he would not have sat, Reid would have seen that immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Well thats why they are the pinnacle of the coaching world. Thats why Reid sat him for a year, so he COULD LEARN behind Smith. If learning from Smith wasnt what made him great, then what was? You must have a better reason for him catapulting to greatness if it wasnt learning behind Smith. Simple your arguing against yourself, neither are winning. "So even if Mahomes wasnt fully formed" You literally said it yourself I'll try one more time. It's possible that Mahomes would have had a great rookie year without "sitting"....because he's a very talented player. It would hardly be unique for a rookie QB to have a solid rookie season. BUT, since he was on the roster behind behind Smith, we will never know. 2 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: I agree that doesnt define how great a player will be, but its a gigantic leg up from starting 16 games on this bills offense. But if Mahomes didnt become so great from learning behind Smith, as in he was already that great they would have started him immediately because Mahomes>Smith. Reid recognized that, traded up for him, and gave him a year that he needed to develop. If he was already developed he would not have sat, Reid would have seen that immediately. This doesn't make more sense by repeating it. Boatdrinks already reiterated why Mahomes wasn't going to replace Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I'll try one more time. It's possible that Mahomes would have had a great rookie year without "sitting"....because he's a very talented player. It would hardly be unique for a rookie QB to have a solid rookie season. BUT, since he was on the roster behind behind Smith, we will never know. This doesn't make more sense by repeating it. Boatdrinks already reiterated why Mahomes wasn't going to replace Smith. Ok so your point is "its possible he would have a great rookie year" but Reid didnt see that even though hes his head coach and traded up for him? Your hypothetical situation seems a lot more flimsy compared to my real life situation, which actually happened. I wont give in to extremes and say its always the case, but to deny Mahomes developed a ton is stubborn. If he was better he would have started, if something shot him to greatness that isnt sitting behind Smith I welcome your insight. Otherwise miss me with that woulda, coulda, shoulda non sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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