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All_Pro_Bills Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 11/1/2022 at 12:10 AM, LeviF said: Russia has been courting Brazil for some time. No surprise here More like China. The new government has agreed to host Chinese troops and other military personal at bases to be established inside Brazil. We know the American left loves the CCP (and hates Russia which is illogical because they're working together against us) so they will ignore this not to be mentioned situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: Thats nuts. that would be like our military protecting the J6 morons from the capital police. Highest comment on that thread is this. "The Brazilian Military are the final arbiters of election results. They know there was widespread fraud by Luna and are not pliantly accepting the result. The parliament controls the police. Potential civil war." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 11/3/2022 at 5:30 PM, BillStime said: Mike is amazing see? they have proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: More like China. The new government has agreed to host Chinese troops and other military personal at bases to be established inside Brazil. We know the American left loves the CCP (and hates Russia which is illogical because they're working together against us) so they will ignore this not to be mentioned situation. Dead giveaway. Amazing how lefties don't think China could influence the elections in a place like Brazil but think that Russia could do it in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, redtail hawk said: If I knew more Portuguese, I could compare him to Trump Todo bem? I spent about nine days per month there for ten months of each year between about 2003 and 2011, the heart of his two terms. He was always a bit of a windsock. Still can't get used to seeing it spelled with a "z." He initially got cordial with Chavez, but turned away from that when Hugo became toxic and evidence of the "Bolivarian Revolution" failing was becoming evident. Got a bit more moderate as economic reality became apparent and the leftist gross failures in neighboring Argentina became undeniable. Anyway, we'll see. Brazil is kind of an interesting place, but I would take any polling data from there with a grain of salt. There are massive amounts of people who are not tuned in and easily manipulated. One of the interesting things to me is how this cuddling with China be received by the Japanese population in Brazil which is the largest outside of Japan. Japan and China absolutely don't get along, so there might be a ceiling to that. Edited January 10, 2023 by sherpa 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, sherpa said: Todo bem? I spent about nine days per month there for ten months of each year between about 2003 and 2011, the heart of his two terms. He was always a bit of a windsock. Still can't get used to seeing it spelled with a "z." He initially got cordial with Chavez, but turned away from that when Hugo became toxic and evidence of the "Bolivarian Revolution" failing was becoming evident. Got a bit more moderate as economic reality became apparent and the leftist gross failures in neighboring Argentina became undeniable. Anyway, we'll see. Brazil is kind of an interesting place, but I would take any polling data from there with a grain of salt. There are massive amounts of people who are not tuned in and easily manipulated. One of the interesting things to me is how this cuddling with China be received by the Japanese population in Brazil which is the largest outside of Japan. Japan and China absolutely don't get along, so there might be a ceiling to that. And your opinion on Bolsanaro? Seems like a nice human... the irony of the windsock comment can't be ignored. Trump was a dem until he became an R and destroyed the party as we knew it. He certainly hasn't lived his life abiding conservative values. and he found "massive amounts people who are not tuned in and easily manipulated". "I love the uneducated". This is class and culture warfare and is being spread globally. I've got to believe both China and Russia are licking their lips. They couldn't wish for a better standard bearer against democracy and capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: And your opinion on Bolsanaro? Seems like a nice human... the irony of the windsock comment can't be ignored. Trump was a dem until he became an R and destroyed the party as we knew it. He certainly hasn't lived his life abiding conservative values. and he found "massive amounts people who are not tuned in and easily manipulated". "I love the uneducated". This is class and culture warfare and is being spread globally. I've got to believe both China and Russia are licking their lips. They couldn't wish for a better standard bearer against democracy and capitalism. I don't have an opinion on Bolsonaro. I have no interest in bringing Trump into this or any other conversation and avoid those who do. He has nothing to do with this. Certainly nothing to do with Lula's leadership in the past or what he does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, sherpa said: I don't have an opinion on Bolsonaro. I have no interest in bringing Trump into this or any other conversation and avoid those who do. He has nothing to do with this. Certainly nothing to do with Lula's leadership in the past or what he does now. you spent significant time in Brazil but have no opinion on the far right there? And I suppose you see no parallels between Jan 6 and what happened in Brazil 2 days ago. Totally irrelevant? Edited January 10, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 American Leftists are trying to use Bolsonaro’s arrival in Florida as proof positive that Governor DeSantis is providing a haven for fascist insurrectionists, since their bête noire Donald Trump also lives in the state. Presumably the MSNBC crowd believes that DeSantis should arrest and imprison both men, because that is what a Leftist would do if given the choice. The idea that election fraud never ever occurs is a rather new one, basically invented in 2020. Democrats screamed bloody murder about election fraud in 2016 and 2018, and famously throughout George W. Bush’s term we were treated to the “selected not elected” meme. For decades Democrats have been very effective at winning elections in courtrooms, with Marc Elias making a career out of seizing victories out of the jaws of defeat by legal wrangling. In Brazil many people fear Lula’s return, as he is a far-Left socialist. One of the reasons there are so many Brazilians in Florida is that Lula’s last turn in the presidency was a disaster. There has been a brain drain, and Bolsonaro was elected because a substantial number of Brazilians are done with the Left. Bolsonaro has condemned the protests, but that of course won’t stop the people calling him a fascist. They do so not because they care a whit about Brazil, but because they want to smear DeSantis. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/01/10/republicans-are-fascists-reason-9873-n522649 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Bolsonaro in Florida. My questions/comments. - did he travel on a diplomatic passport? Or a regular passport/tourist visa? If the latter, we’d expect it to be a 6-month stay. If he wants to stay longer, well, I guess he could apply for asylum. Everyone else does. - Assuming he was admitted for 6 months, you really can’t get rid of him until his visa expires (assuming no asylum application), or until Brazil initiates a formal extradition request (which still takes time - he could fight it, including by claiming he’d be tortured if we send him back). Reminds me of the Shah of Iran situation. (Someone revive all those “Shah’s Spleen” threads!) - DeSantis would have nothing to do with this. He doesn’t issue passports/visas and doesn’t work the CBP inspection stations at the airport. Did Bolsonaro think Florida would provide him with a lot of support? Of course he did. And he’s right I’m because there’s probably tens of thousands of very politically active Brazilians there who like him, and Florida politicians are responsive to them. But that’s just Florida, not Ron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Bolsonaro in Florida. My questions/comments. - did he travel on a diplomatic passport? Or a regular passport/tourist visa? If the latter, we’d expect it to be a 6-month stay. If he wants to stay longer, well, I guess he could apply for asylum. Everyone else does. - Assuming he was admitted for 6 months, you really can’t get rid of him until his visa expires (assuming no asylum application), or until Brazil initiates a formal extradition request (which still takes time - he could fight it, including by claiming he’d be tortured if we send him back). Reminds me of the Shah of Iran situation. (Someone revive all those “Shah’s Spleen” threads!) - DeSantis would have nothing to do with this. He doesn’t issue passports/visas and doesn’t work the CBP inspection stations at the airport. Did Bolsonaro think Florida would provide him with a lot of support? Of course he did. And he’s right I’m because there’s probably tens of thousands of very politically active Brazilians there who like him, and Florida politicians are responsive to them. But that’s just Florida, not Ron. Or he snuck in with millions of other illegals and is now entitled to all the benefits of this great country? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 hours ago, redtail hawk said: you spent significant time in Brazil but have no opinion on the far right there? And I suppose you see no parallels between Jan 6 and what happened in Brazil 2 days ago. Totally irrelevant? That is correct, with a few adjustments. i have no view on the conservative element in Brazilian politics. I simply don't know enough about them. The fact that I spent so much time there informs me to conclude that it is preposterous to assume one can watch this stuff on US media and have any informed view of what goes on there. Brazil is a lot like other South American countries. There is massive class stratification and massive political corruption. Whomever is the current popular choice is usually temporary and media driven, and always plays to the beneficiaries of that corruption, which is a way of life and not easily understood by Americans. or consumers of American media. Saw it firsthand and was made aware from many others who experienced it. Either way, I put no causal suggestion on what happened here and what happened there, These things have been going on forever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, sherpa said: That is correct, with a few adjustments. i have no view on the conservative element in Brazilian politics. I simply don't know enough about them. The fact that I spent so much time there informs me to conclude that it is preposterous to assume one can watch this stuff on US media and have any informed view of what goes on there. Brazil is a lot like other South American countries. There is massive class stratification and massive political corruption. Whomever is the current popular choice is usually temporary and media driven, and always plays to the beneficiaries of that corruption, which is a way of life and not easily understood by Americans. or consumers of American media. Saw it firsthand and was made aware from many others who experienced it. Either way, I put no causal suggestion on what happened here and what happened there, These things have been going on forever. So the same as here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: So the same as here. Not even remotely close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, sherpa said: Not even remotely close. ever been to Louisiana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 hours ago, redtail hawk said: ever been to Louisiana? Yep. Not close. It's pure American naivete to suggest that the corruption here approaches what goes on in South/Central America. Loved spending time there and running a business that sourced materials and labor in Paraguay, but doing business there, and shipping through Argentina is a "unique" experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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