Mr. WEO Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Dont forget Dawkins And you have to admit....the emphasis in the last 2 drafts has been most defense I would admit if it was true. Both drafts: 50/50 offense/defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Well, I obviously disagree overall, but having said that there are criticisms that can be made, and I have made them. I have said that they should have gotten a veteran QB in when they traded McCarron. I don't think it would have changed the progress or record of this season one iota, but it would at least have given Allen a more experienced voice to provide advice. Now, as for the 2017 QB draft, I have said often I would have liked Watson. But we have seen he's struggled a bit more this year, in part due to a terrible O line in front of him. Mahomes? The revisionist history on that one is illuminating. Go back and look at the pre-draft critiques about his footwork, playing in a single read offense, etc. Some of those are ery reminiscent of what was said about Allen. No question Mahomes has shown he's a dynamic young QB, but he also has a lot of weapons around him. All told, I am OK going forward with Allen. WR? They took a shot at some veteran guys, exactly what folks were complaining about. Boldin who retired, Kerley who as far as I know hasn't caught on anywhere. Coleman, which I think was a mistake. Benjamin last year was brought in when they felt they needed a guy to help get them to the playoffs, which they did. They could have taken a shot at Gordon, and probably the only place Gordo works out is NE where Brady and Belichick might have a chance at controlling him , and the jury is out there. So what else? Watson this year is at least average. He's not even having a bad season. He's on pace for over 4,300+ yards, 23 TDs, 470 yards rushing, and 8.0 ypa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Watson this year is at least average. He's not even having a bad season. He's on pace for over 4,300+ yards, 23 TDs, 470 yards rushing, and 8.0 ypa. Yep. Reports of Watson’s “regression” are greatly exaggerated. He’s coming off major knee surgery and playing behind a mess of an O-line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 21 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I was watching channel 2 news this morning and Adam Benini and Vic Carrucci were saying that with the way this team is playing that McDermott JUST HAS TO BE on the hot seat. Then they bemoan how bad they played against the Colts and it's just unacceptable for the defense to give up all those points to the 1-5 colts. Maybe they forgot how critical turnovers are (from the offense) to getting blown out. Guess they forgot how we demolished the Vikings at home and that a superior team can get their butts handed to them by a lesser team. What I find sad is these clowns can't see the long game that is going on here and that this offseason is going to be used to finish most of the rebuild that is taking place. McDermott is going nowhere. I caught some of their "Sports Talk Sunday" stuff on the 6 PM news and, honestly, these guys know 100% that the Bills were in for a rough year. They knew that the team was light on talent and experience, they knew they drafted a very raw QB prospect, a very young MLB, etc. They also know how much McDermott can get from so little, as evidenced by the playoff run last season. Despite the fact that they know all of this... they still need talking points to make people tune into their show and read their columns. Controversial talking points work the best. What better way to rile up the fan base than by having two of the most tenured Bills media guys start talking about how McDermott might be losing this team. They know exactly what they're doing while simultaneously knowing that the Pegulas hired Beane and McDermott for the long haul and will definitely give them plenty of time to finish their rebuild and see where it can take them. The Pegulas are the absolute last people that wanna keep firing and hiring new coaches every other season. They got stuck with the Marrone situation, they intended on keeping him around but he took his ball and went home. They whiffed on Rex because I believe Russ Brandon still had their ear and was telling them the team was "just a couple pieces away" and Rex was a "big name" that could sell tickets and get the media talking. Bad move, but they're young owners and you gotta make mistakes in order to learn. For all intents and purposes, they love McBeane and were very involved in the hiring process this time, whereas before, with Rex, I think they let Brandon and Whaley run the show a bit more and have them report back to them while also chiming in for a question here and there. Terry said it himself that he was always much more of a listener during the interviews for HC's before they hired Rex. I believe he stated he was more involved when they hired McDermott. We know they feel really good about the hire, they prefer to be hands off and allow these guys room to work. I don't see that changing based on the results of this season. They knew what they were in for. No pain, no gain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, mannc said: 30 years ago? They went 1-15 in Johnson’s first year. He inherited a mess. McBeane didn’t. Maybe the Vikings will give us three first rounders for McCoy, and he can be McBeane’s Herschel Walker. Someone asks for one other team that built back up from scratch. They get one and then it's all about excuses as to why that wasn't the same as the Bills. 34 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Watson this year is at least average. He's not even having a bad season. He's on pace for over 4,300+ yards, 23 TDs, 470 yards rushing, and 8.0 ypa. I still like Watson. But I think Allen will be fine. And I don't ignore that we have possibly the best young CB in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 22 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: What I find sad is these clowns can't see the long game that is going on here and that this offseason is going to be used to finish most of the rebuild that is taking place. Rebuild? Rebuild to what? I will believe it when I see it. Do you really have faith that McDermott and Beane have any clue how to build a good offense? The same duo that has been duped into thinking Peterman is the right answer how many times now? If they can't make an easy evaluation to move on from Peterman how can they make the tougher evaluations? Their level of QB scouting is on the John Elway level of bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Someone asks for one other team that built back up from scratch. They get one and then it's all about excuses as to why that wasn't the same as the Bills. Those aren’t “excuses”. They are called distinguishing factors. Can you refute them? Does NFL 1988 equal NFL 2018? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 22 hours ago, PIZ said: They don't realize that Bean and McDermott and the Pegulas all expected this to happen. They expected 2017 and 2018 to be bad seasons. Being a playoff team in 2017 was great, but it gave EVERYONE unrealistic expectations for 2018. 2017 and 2018 were always about tearing it down, while adding some key pieces or young players growing (Hyde, Poyer, Allen, Edmunds, Dawkins, Jones) and 2019 was about building it back up. That has always been the plan. McDermott hasn't been preaching about the "PROCESS" for nothing. It's one thing to be bad. It's another to field the worst offense the league has ever seen. Nobody expected to be this bad on that side of the ball. 22 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: He broke a 17 year playoff drought. With Whaley's players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: It's one thing to be bad. It's another to field the worst offense the league has ever seen. Nobody expected to be this bad on that side of the ball. With Whaley's players. and with Bengals' players . . . . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, mannc said: 30 years ago? They went 1-15 in Johnson’s first year. He inherited a mess. McBeane didn’t. Maybe the Vikings will give us three first rounders for McCoy, and he can be McBeane’s Herschel Walker. It's useless to argue with McDermott/Beane cheerleaders. They apparently inhabit the same alternative universe their heroes do -- the one in which the forward pass is viewed as a necessary evil and WRs with speed and good hands are superfluous. 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Watson this year is at least average. He's not even having a bad season. He's on pace for over 4,300+ yards, 23 TDs, 470 yards rushing, and 8.0 ypa. ^^^ 1 hour ago, mannc said: Yep. Reports of Watson’s “regression” are greatly exaggerated. He’s coming off major knee surgery and playing behind a mess of an O-line. Watson was averaging over 300 yards a game passing before he was hurt. He's played the last two games with a partially collapsed lung, which means that he could hardly take a breath without pain. He's the real deal. As for Mahomes, I think he's played only about three more games than Allen, but the difference between what he does on the field and what Allen does is light years difference. Part of that difference is that Mahomes has had much, much better coaching and support than Allen, but the talent differential seems just amazing. Mahomes plays like a veteran. Allen plays like a green rookie with poor coaching and a poor team around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, mannc said: Those aren’t “excuses”. They are called distinguishing factors. Can you refute them? Does NFL 1988 equal NFL 2018? In the context of the question it doesn't matter a hill of beans whether it's 1988 bs. 2018. The idea of rebuilding a team is the same. Focus might be different, the idea is the same. I'm sorry you don't like the way the Bills are doing it, but they have a plan and until they implement the plan no one knows if they will succeed or fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/25064152/nfl-buffalo-bills-pace-worst-offense-modern-history 53.2% worse than the average NFL offense. Worst in 33 years of data. OK, this officially makes Coach McDermott anti-Chan. Chan was an offensive guy with a decent offense and fielded historically bad Defenses. Now Coach McDermott is a defensive guy with a decent defense and fields historically bad Offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The rebuild is going to take at least two more offseasons if they nail a majority of their additions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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